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12:43:00 <joakim> zakim, this will be mawg
12:43:00 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, joakim
12:43:20 <joakim> chair: Joakim
12:44:07 <joakim> zakim, this will be MAWG
12:44:07 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, joakim
12:50:39 <joakim> meeting: MAWG
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12:52:08 <victor> Hello
12:52:18 <joakim> Hi Victor, all well?
12:52:28 <victor> fine, thanks
12:54:48 <joakim> regrets: Felix, Tobias, Frank, Thierry, Davy
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12:57:39 <joakim> present: joakim, pierre-antoine, victor, werner, wonsuk
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12:59:07 <joakim> zakim, this is mawg 
12:59:07 <Zakim> ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()4:00PM
12:59:31 <joakim> who zakim, who is noisy
12:59:31 <pchampin> zakim, mute me
12:59:31 <Zakim> pchampin should now be muted
12:59:49 <Zakim> + +43.316.876.aaaa
12:59:52 <Zakim> +veronique
13:00:04 <pchampin> zakim, unmute me
13:00:05 <Zakim> pchampin should no longer be muted
13:00:12 <Zakim> + +41.22.717.aabb
13:00:18 <wbailer> Zakim, aaaa is wbailer
13:00:18 <Zakim> +wbailer; got it
13:00:21 <joakim> present+ veronique
13:00:37 <pchampin> can you hear me ?
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13:01:09 <joakim> present+ raphael
13:01:30 <Zakim> +??P6
13:01:36 <Zakim> +raphael
13:01:43 <raphael> zakim, mute me
13:01:45 <Zakim> raphael should now be muted
13:02:32 <joakim> scribe: Pierre_antoine
13:02:46 <raphael> scribenick: pchampin
13:03:35 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0024.html
13:04:04 <pchampin> last minutes approved
13:04:07 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0042.html
13:04:24 <raphael> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0042.html
13:04:44 <pchampin> Frank will scribe for the next meeting
13:05:31 <pchampin> next call: January 27, 13:00 UTC unless it is unconvenient for the Apple people
13:05:34 <joakim>  http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
13:05:40 <pchampin> topic: Action items
13:07:02 <pchampin> Bernard: must have more discussion with Frank next week
13:07:37 <pchampin> action 47 still ongoing
13:07:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 47
13:07:54 <wbailer> s/Bernard/Werner/
13:07:58 <raphael> q+: about the action from Felix
13:08:14 <raphael> q+ to talk about the action from Felix
13:09:08 <joakim> present+ Jean-Pierre
13:09:32 <raphael> Jean Pierre: try the web access to irc
13:10:06 <raphael> ack me
13:10:07 <Zakim> raphael, you wanted to talk about the action from Felix
13:10:34 <raphael> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/xmplibrary/
13:10:45 <pchampin> raphael: Felix and Raphael received mails from Adobe
13:11:25 <pchampin> about a library giving a better idea of the XMP properties actually in use
13:12:03 <raphael> zakim, mute me
13:12:03 <Zakim> raphael should now be muted
13:12:53 <pchampin> victor: worked on the Image UC
13:13:14 <pchampin> the UC is about image lifecylce
13:13:24 <pchampin> mailed a similar example involving video
13:15:14 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0029.html
13:16:55 <joakim> Pierre Antoine: we should take structured data into account
13:18:26 <pchampin> there is a trade off between structured API and structured data
13:19:24 <raphael> Pierre Antoine, you should be able to watch all actions and issues, open and close ... so ask Thierry to get your access granted, this is a setup problem
13:19:53 <pchampin> close ACTION-59
13:19:53 <trackbot> ACTION-59 Investigate how the declaration of JSON could provide a solution for our return object closed
13:20:18 <raphael> ack me
13:20:48 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/issues/open
13:22:15 <raphael> zakim, mute me
13:22:15 <Zakim> raphael should now be muted
13:22:26 <raphael> ack me
13:23:52 <pchampin> joachim: manually adds an Issue: "trade-off btw structured API and structured data"
13:24:38 <raphael> the system should give a number to the issue
13:24:45 <pchampin> this is issue 1
13:25:08 <raphael> and you can assign actions related to this issue ...
13:25:19 <pchampin> close ACTION-65
13:25:19 <trackbot> ACTION-65 Finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week closed
13:26:25 <pchampin> close ACTION-67
13:26:25 <trackbot> ACTION-67 Review tvanytime closed
13:26:33 <pchampin> close ACTION-68
13:26:33 <trackbot> ACTION-68 Review EBU closed
13:26:48 <pchampin> close ACTION-69
13:26:48 <trackbot> ACTION-69 Review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content specification 2.0 closed
13:27:00 <pchampin> close ACTION-70
13:27:00 <trackbot> ACTION-70 Review IPTC closed
13:27:42 <pchampin> close ACTION-72
13:27:42 <trackbot> ACTION-72 Review MIX closed
13:28:46 <pchampin> werner: 2 columns are missing in the mapping for SMPTE
13:28:58 <pchampin> they will be completed next week
13:29:35 <Zakim> - +41.22.717.aabb
13:29:57 <pchampin> close ACTION-75
13:29:57 <trackbot> ACTION-75 Review METS closed
13:30:04 <pchampin> close ACTION-76
13:30:04 <trackbot> ACTION-76 Review LOM closed
13:31:20 <pchampin> joakim: we can discuss on the mapping table
13:31:47 <pchampin> véronique: a lot of formats have a mapping to XMP and a mapping to DC
13:31:59 <pchampin> can we use the transitivity of the mappings ?
13:32:21 <pchampin> victor: not only the transitivity, but also symetry ?
13:32:47 <raphael> Does your mapping have a direction ? or are they equivalent relations in the mathematical sense?
13:32:49 <pchampin> joakim: in ID3, a property maps to both XMP and DC, but not exactly in the same way
13:32:57 <pchampin> DC is more general, XMP more specific
13:33:48 <pchampin> werner: same observation: there is often an overlap
13:34:12 <raphael> the mapping can be precised: sub-property, equivalent-property, related-property, etc. OWL and SKOS provide constructs to express that
13:34:29 <pchampin> many properties are music-oriented; should we keep them?.
13:35:27 <pchampin> véronique: the mapping of MPEG7 will probably provide properties related to video
13:35:36 <pchampin> that we don't have yet: mapping problem
13:36:47 <pchampin> action: joakim to merge the contributions to the mapping table on the wiki
13:36:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Merge the contributions to the mapping table on the wiki [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-01-27].
13:38:37 <VeroniqueM> for VRA at least they provided a clear mapping to Dublin Core 4.0
13:39:00 <VeroniqueM> and to former versions, but i did not include them...
13:39:35 <pchampin> pierre-antoine: is the mapping of DC vs. DCterms always consistent with the 2 versions (string  / URI) provided by the Dublin Core?
13:44:59 <pchampin> action: pchampin to start a discussion on the wiki about the DC vs. DCterms issue
13:44:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Start a discussion on the wiki about the DC vs. DCterms issue [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2009-01-27].
13:45:55 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Dataformat
13:46:14 <pchampin> topic: data format
13:46:51 <raphael> I think that URI as values is a must ... to be part of the Web of Data
13:47:01 <raphael> ... this is coherent with the vision of a Web of things
13:47:04 <VeroniqueM> I agree with Raphael
13:47:13 <wbailer> +1
13:47:18 <joakim> +1
13:47:30 <victor> +1
13:47:40 <wonsuk> +1
13:48:12 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0032.html
13:48:38 <VeroniqueM> one way of representing the mappings could be in a Semantic Web format, what are the other formats that people would want it into?
13:48:52 <VeroniqueM> with skos:mappings for example
13:49:16 <joakim> zakim, who is noisy?
13:49:27 <Zakim> joakim, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: joakim (70%), veronique (11%), ??P6 (36%)
13:50:14 <raphael> zakim, mute ??P6
13:50:14 <Zakim> ??P6 should now be muted
13:50:14 <pchampin> véronique: SKOS is about specifying different kinds of mapping (exact mapping, more general, etc)
13:50:23 <VeroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/
13:50:30 <victor> i absolutelty agree about SKOS
13:51:17 <pchampin> action: VeroniqueM to write an example about using SKOS
13:51:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - VeroniqueM
13:51:33 <raphael> trackbot, status
13:51:46 <pchampin> action: Véronique to write an example about using SKOS
13:51:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Write an example about using SKOS [on Véronique Malaisé - due 2009-01-27].
13:52:02 <joakim> rrsagent, make log public
13:53:26 <VeroniqueM> there are two points: the API and the media ontology...
13:53:37 <pchampin> pierre-antoine: do we expect people using our API to be able to deal with SKOS ?
13:53:44 <VeroniqueM> they are related, of course, we agree with that
13:54:36 <raphael> zakim, unmute me
13:54:36 <Zakim> raphael should no longer be muted
13:54:52 <raphael> q+ to explain a bit more how SKOS can be useful
13:55:04 <raphael> ack me
13:55:04 <Zakim> raphael, you wanted to explain a bit more how SKOS can be useful
13:55:39 <pchampin> raphael: SKOS is for representing lightweight taxonomies
13:55:46 <pchampin> without strong semantic comitment
13:59:16 <Zakim> -wbailer
13:59:16 <pchampin> joakim: should we include MicrosoftTV on iTunes ?
13:59:17 <Zakim> -??P6
13:59:17 <Zakim> -raphael
13:59:19 <Zakim> -veronique
13:59:22 <pchampin> (no opinion expressed)
13:59:39 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
13:59:52 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:59:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
14:00:07 <raphael> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:00:09 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:00:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
14:01:31 <Zakim> -joakim
14:01:33 <Zakim> -pchampin
14:01:34 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()4:00PM has ended
14:01:35 <Zakim> Attendees were pchampin, joakim, [IPcaller], +43.316.876.aaaa, veronique, +41.22.717.aabb, wbailer, raphael
14:02:58 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:02:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
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