IRC log of mediaann on 2009-01-20

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12:43:00 [joakim]

zakim, this will be mawg

12:43:00 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, joakim

12:43:20 [joakim]

chair: Joakim

12:44:07 [joakim]

zakim, this will be MAWG

12:44:07 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, joakim

12:50:39 [joakim]

meeting: MAWG

12:51:59 [victor]

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12:52:08 [victor]

Hello

12:52:18 [joakim]

Hi Victor, all well?

12:52:28 [victor]

fine, thanks

12:54:48 [joakim]

regrets: Felix, Tobias, Frank, Thierry, Davy

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12:57:39 [joakim]

present: joakim, pierre-antoine, victor, werner, wonsuk

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12:59:07 [joakim]

zakim, this is mawg

12:59:07 [Zakim]

ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()4:00PM

12:59:31 [joakim]

who zakim, who is noisy

12:59:31 [pchampin]

zakim, mute me

12:59:31 [Zakim]

pchampin should now be muted

12:59:49 [Zakim]

+ +43.316.876.aaaa

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+veronique

13:00:04 [pchampin]

zakim, unmute me

13:00:05 [Zakim]

pchampin should no longer be muted

13:00:12 [Zakim]

+ +41.22.717.aabb

13:00:18 [wbailer]

Zakim, aaaa is wbailer

13:00:18 [Zakim]

+wbailer; got it

13:00:21 [joakim]

present+ veronique

13:00:37 [pchampin]

can you hear me ?

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present+ raphael

13:01:30 [Zakim]

+??P6

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+raphael

13:01:43 [raphael]

zakim, mute me

13:01:45 [Zakim]

raphael should now be muted

13:02:32 [joakim]

scribe: Pierre_antoine

13:02:46 [raphael]

scribenick: pchampin

13:03:35 [joakim]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0024.html

13:04:04 [pchampin]

last minutes approved

13:04:07 [joakim]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0042.html

13:04:24 [raphael]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0042.html

13:04:44 [pchampin]

Frank will scribe for the next meeting

13:05:31 [pchampin]

next call: January 27, 13:00 UTC unless it is unconvenient for the Apple people

13:05:34 [joakim]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

13:05:40 [pchampin]

topic: Action items

13:07:02 [pchampin]

Bernard: must have more discussion with Frank next week

13:07:37 [pchampin]

action 47 still ongoing

13:07:37 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - 47

13:07:54 [wbailer]

s/Bernard/Werner/

13:07:58 [raphael]

q+: about the action from Felix

13:08:14 [raphael]

q+ to talk about the action from Felix

13:09:08 [joakim]

present+ Jean-Pierre

13:09:32 [raphael]

Jean Pierre: try the web access to irc

13:10:06 [raphael]

ack me

13:10:07 [Zakim]

raphael, you wanted to talk about the action from Felix

13:10:34 [raphael]

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/xmplibrary/

13:10:45 [pchampin]

raphael: Felix and Raphael received mails from Adobe

13:11:25 [pchampin]

about a library giving a better idea of the XMP properties actually in use

13:12:03 [raphael]

zakim, mute me

13:12:03 [Zakim]

raphael should now be muted

13:12:53 [pchampin]

victor: worked on the Image UC

13:13:14 [pchampin]

the UC is about image lifecylce

13:13:24 [pchampin]

mailed a similar example involving video

13:15:14 [joakim]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0029.html

13:16:55 [joakim]

Pierre Antoine: we should take structured data into account

13:18:26 [pchampin]

there is a trade off between structured API and structured data

13:19:24 [raphael]

Pierre Antoine, you should be able to watch all actions and issues, open and close ... so ask Thierry to get your access granted, this is a setup problem

13:19:53 [pchampin]

close ACTION-59

13:19:53 [trackbot]

ACTION-59 Investigate how the declaration of JSON could provide a solution for our return object closed

13:20:18 [raphael]

ack me

13:20:48 [raphael]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/issues/open

13:22:15 [raphael]

zakim, mute me

13:22:15 [Zakim]

raphael should now be muted

13:22:26 [raphael]

ack me

13:23:52 [pchampin]

joachim: manually adds an Issue: "trade-off btw structured API and structured data"

13:24:38 [raphael]

the system should give a number to the issue

13:24:45 [pchampin]

this is issue 1

13:25:08 [raphael]

and you can assign actions related to this issue ...

13:25:19 [pchampin]

close ACTION-65

13:25:19 [trackbot]

ACTION-65 Finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week closed

13:26:25 [pchampin]

close ACTION-67

13:26:25 [trackbot]

ACTION-67 Review tvanytime closed

13:26:33 [pchampin]

close ACTION-68

13:26:33 [trackbot]

ACTION-68 Review EBU closed

13:26:48 [pchampin]

close ACTION-69

13:26:48 [trackbot]

ACTION-69 Review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content specification 2.0 closed

13:27:00 [pchampin]

close ACTION-70

13:27:00 [trackbot]

ACTION-70 Review IPTC closed

13:27:42 [pchampin]

close ACTION-72

13:27:42 [trackbot]

ACTION-72 Review MIX closed

13:28:46 [pchampin]

werner: 2 columns are missing in the mapping for SMPTE

13:28:58 [pchampin]

they will be completed next week

13:29:35 [Zakim]

- +41.22.717.aabb

13:29:57 [pchampin]

close ACTION-75

13:29:57 [trackbot]

ACTION-75 Review METS closed

13:30:04 [pchampin]

close ACTION-76

13:30:04 [trackbot]

ACTION-76 Review LOM closed

13:31:20 [pchampin]

joakim: we can discuss on the mapping table

13:31:47 [pchampin]

véronique: a lot of formats have a mapping to XMP and a mapping to DC

13:31:59 [pchampin]

can we use the transitivity of the mappings ?

13:32:21 [pchampin]

victor: not only the transitivity, but also symetry ?

13:32:47 [raphael]

Does your mapping have a direction ? or are they equivalent relations in the mathematical sense?

13:32:49 [pchampin]

joakim: in ID3, a property maps to both XMP and DC, but not exactly in the same way

13:32:57 [pchampin]

DC is more general, XMP more specific

13:33:48 [pchampin]

werner: same observation: there is often an overlap

13:34:12 [raphael]

the mapping can be precised: sub-property, equivalent-property, related-property, etc. OWL and SKOS provide constructs to express that

13:34:29 [pchampin]

many properties are music-oriented; should we keep them?.

13:35:27 [pchampin]

véronique: the mapping of MPEG7 will probably provide properties related to video

13:35:36 [pchampin]

that we don't have yet: mapping problem

13:36:47 [pchampin]

action: joakim to merge the contributions to the mapping table on the wiki

13:36:48 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-77 - Merge the contributions to the mapping table on the wiki [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-01-27].

13:38:37 [VeroniqueM]

for VRA at least they provided a clear mapping to Dublin Core 4.0

13:39:00 [VeroniqueM]

and to former versions, but i did not include them...

13:39:35 [pchampin]

pierre-antoine: is the mapping of DC vs. DCterms always consistent with the 2 versions (string / URI) provided by the Dublin Core?

13:44:59 [pchampin]

action: pchampin to start a discussion on the wiki about the DC vs. DCterms issue

13:44:59 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-78 - Start a discussion on the wiki about the DC vs. DCterms issue [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2009-01-27].

13:45:55 [joakim]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Dataformat

13:46:14 [pchampin]

topic: data format

13:46:51 [raphael]

I think that URI as values is a must ... to be part of the Web of Data

13:47:01 [raphael]

... this is coherent with the vision of a Web of things

13:47:04 [VeroniqueM]

I agree with Raphael

13:47:13 [wbailer]

+1

13:47:18 [joakim]

+1

13:47:30 [victor]

+1

13:47:40 [wonsuk]

+1

13:48:12 [joakim]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0032.html

13:48:38 [VeroniqueM]

one way of representing the mappings could be in a Semantic Web format, what are the other formats that people would want it into?

13:48:52 [VeroniqueM]

with skos:mappings for example

13:49:16 [joakim]

zakim, who is noisy?

13:49:27 [Zakim]

joakim, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: joakim (70%), veronique (11%), ??P6 (36%)

13:50:14 [raphael]

zakim, mute ??P6

13:50:14 [Zakim]

??P6 should now be muted

13:50:14 [pchampin]

véronique: SKOS is about specifying different kinds of mapping (exact mapping, more general, etc)

13:50:23 [VeroniqueM]

http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/

13:50:30 [victor]

i absolutelty agree about SKOS

13:51:17 [pchampin]

action: VeroniqueM to write an example about using SKOS

13:51:17 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - VeroniqueM

13:51:33 [raphael]

trackbot, status

13:51:46 [pchampin]

action: Véronique to write an example about using SKOS

13:51:46 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-79 - Write an example about using SKOS [on Véronique Malaisé - due 2009-01-27].

13:52:02 [joakim]

rrsagent, make log public

13:53:26 [VeroniqueM]

there are two points: the API and the media ontology...

13:53:37 [pchampin]

pierre-antoine: do we expect people using our API to be able to deal with SKOS ?

13:53:44 [VeroniqueM]

they are related, of course, we agree with that

13:54:36 [raphael]

zakim, unmute me

13:54:36 [Zakim]

raphael should no longer be muted

13:54:52 [raphael]

q+ to explain a bit more how SKOS can be useful

13:55:04 [raphael]

ack me

13:55:04 [Zakim]

raphael, you wanted to explain a bit more how SKOS can be useful

13:55:39 [pchampin]

raphael: SKOS is for representing lightweight taxonomies

13:55:46 [pchampin]

without strong semantic comitment

13:59:16 [Zakim]

-wbailer

13:59:16 [pchampin]

joakim: should we include MicrosoftTV on iTunes ?

13:59:17 [Zakim]

-??P6

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-raphael

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-veronique

13:59:22 [pchampin]

(no opinion expressed)

13:59:39 [Zakim]

-[IPcaller]

13:59:52 [raphael]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

13:59:52 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html raphael

14:00:07 [raphael]

RRSAgent, make logs public

14:00:09 [raphael]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html raphael

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-joakim

14:01:33 [Zakim]

-pchampin

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IA_MAWG()4:00PM has ended

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Attendees were pchampin, joakim, [IPcaller], +43.316.876.aaaa, veronique, +41.22.717.aabb, wbailer, raphael

14:02:58 [raphael]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html raphael

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14:26:59 [VeroniqueM]

quit

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