15:00:15 RRSAgent has joined #wam 15:00:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/15-wam-irc 15:00:20 + +358.503.85aabb 15:00:39 zakim, aabb is Jere 15:00:39 +Jere; got it 15:00:43 hendry has joined #wam 15:01:10 + +47.23.69.aacc 15:01:13 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:01:33 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JanMar/0086.html 15:01:34 zakim, aacc is arve 15:01:34 +arve; got it 15:01:39 Date: 15 January 2009 15:01:44 ScribeNick: ArtB 15:01:47 Scribe: Art 15:01:49 Bryan has joined #wam 15:01:51 Chair: Art 15:01:52 + +0777183aadd 15:02:03 +Mark 15:02:06 zakim, aadd is David 15:02:06 +David; got it 15:02:39 Present: Art, Arve, Kai, Josh, Jere, David, Mark 15:03:10 Regrets: Frederick, Thomas, Marcos 15:03:11 mpriestl has joined #wam 15:03:36 Topic: Review and Tweak Agenda 15:03:46 AB: agenda published January 14... it is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JanMar/0086.html 15:03:57 AB: DigSig not on the agenda because FH and TLR are at the XML Security WG's f2f meeting this week 15:04:06 AB: one change I propose is to move Testing to the beginning of the meeting so Kai doesn't have to stay on the entire call 15:04:24 drogersuk has joined #wam 15:04:31 AB: any problems with that proposal? 15:04:34 [None] 15:04:40 AB: any other change requests? 15:04:42 [None] 15:04:51 Topic: Annoucements 15:05:00 AB: January 31 is the deadline for Comments for the P&C LCWD 15:05:51 AB: very important to hit the deadline to optimze our f2f time in Paris 15:05:53 AB: any other announcements? 15:05:59 [None] 15:06:05 Topic: Widget Testing 15:06:12 AB: Kai, would you please give us a short status? 15:06:31 http://git.webvm.net/?p=wgtqa 15:07:04 KH: I've done a lot of work but because of the end of year holidays progress has been a bit slow 15:07:17 ... recently talking to MC and TLR about DigSig 15:07:38 ... We recently agreed to move MWTS tests to the "Opera format" 15:08:03 Zakim, call Mike-Mobile 15:08:03 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made 15:08:05 +Mike 15:08:09 ... This has been a bit more complicated than I'd like 15:08:14 Present+ Mike 15:08:44 zakim, drop mike-mobile 15:08:44 sorry, timeless, I do not see a party named 'mike-mobile' 15:08:51 KH: have also been communicating with DavidH (Opera) re the widget RELAX NG schema 15:09:58 http://git.webvm.net/?p=wgtvalidator 15:10:00 (I missed a few minutes here, due to a phone call) 15:10:02 ... The test unloads the zip and runs the widget in the browser 15:10:12 s/The test/The test framework/ 15:10:17 Zakim, call Mike 15:10:17 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made 15:10:19 +Mike 15:10:28 KH: I need feedback from you guys to help 15:11:23 AB: any volunteers to review what Kai and MWTS have done? 15:11:30 JS: I can take a look 15:11:51 Zakim, drop Mike 15:11:51 'Mike' is ambiguous, MikeSmith 15:12:05 zakim, drop mikesmith 15:12:05 sorry, timeless, I do not see a party named 'mikesmith' 15:12:18 zakim, who is on? 15:12:18 I don't understand your question, timeless. 15:12:23 Zakim, who's on the phone? 15:12:23 On the phone I see Josh_Soref, ??P6, ArtB, Jere, arve, David, Mark, Mike, Mike 15:12:30 zakeem, Drop Mike 15:12:33 zakim, Drop Mike 15:12:33 'Mike' is ambiguous, arve 15:12:44 Bryan can help review it - on chat only today 15:12:52 -Mike 15:12:59 Present+ Bryan 15:13:01 Zakim, drop Mike-Mobile 15:13:01 sorry, MikeSmith, I do not see a party named 'Mike-Mobile' 15:13:16 AB: thanks Bryan 15:13:25 Zakim, call Mike 15:13:25 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made 15:13:27 +Mike.a 15:13:38 AB: are you/MWTS blocked by WebApps? 15:13:45 KH: no, not really 15:14:06 ... if you want to make things go faster, then please make some contributions 15:14:11 AB: OK; understood 15:14:31 Zakim, ??P6 is hendry 15:14:31 +hendry; got it 15:14:34 AB: any other comments for KAI or about the test suite? 15:14:38 [None] 15:15:02 AB: we are having a Widgets f2f meeting Feb 24-26 in Paris 15:15:22 ... I assume widgets will be on the agenda 15:15:28 KH: I will not be available that week 15:15:36 ... Dom may be able to attend or help 15:16:06 ACTION: Barstow follow-up with Dom re Widget Testing and our Feb 24-26 f2f meeting 15:16:06 Created ACTION-288 - Follow-up with Dom re Widget Testing and our Feb 24-26 f2f meeting [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-01-22]. 15:16:22 KH: are there some other implementations I can use for inspiration? 15:17:19 AB: Scott Wilson's email today describes two EU projects that are implementing parts of the Widgets specs 15:17:39 Topic: P&C Last Call WD 15:17:50 AB: formal comments from Boris and Jere 15:17:58 ... Don't necessarily want to go through the comments line-by-line 15:18:05 ... However, we do have an obligation to respond to every comment submitted and we must continue to use public-webapps for that 15:19:10 ACTION: Marcos create a tracking document for the P&C LCWD 15:19:10 Created ACTION-289 - Create a tracking document for the P&C LCWD [on Marcos Caceres - due 2009-01-22]. 15:19:19 ... We can discuss any particular Hot Topic and/or process-related 15:19:59 AB: Boris http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JanMar/0046.html 15:20:06 AB: one area of continued concern is the HTML5 dependency 15:20:30 ... Borris' comment #4 raises this issue 15:20:37 -Mike 15:22:07 AB: HTML5 isn't going to reach REC for some time, unfortuantely 15:22:17 ... our options are somewhat limited 15:22:35 Arve: I'm OK with us referencing those parts of HTML5 that are stable 15:23:04 ... perhaps we need to clearly identify those specs in WebApps that have a dependency on HTML and give them to Hixie 15:23:35 AB: any other comments on HTML5 dependency issue? 15:23:37 [None] 15:23:46 AB: any comments on Borris' input? 15:24:00 Zakim, who's on the phone? 15:24:00 On the phone I see Josh_Soref, hendry, ArtB, Jere, arve, David, Mark, Mike.a 15:24:11 ... clearly it indicates we neet to tighten up the spec 15:24:11 Zakim, Mike.a is me 15:24:11 +MikeSmith; got it 15:24:36 ... I didn't see anything I would characterize as a "Show Stopper" 15:25:16 AB: surely Marcos will reply but anyone else should feel free to reply too 15:25:59 AB: Jere sent comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JanMar/0088.html 15:26:11 JK: I expect Marcos to reply 15:26:33 AB: are there any particularly urgent comments, Marcos? 15:26:57 JK: comment #1 is a bit urgent because it could affect the testing re localization 15:27:32 AB: thanks for sending these comments 15:28:01 JK: re comment #5, were there discussions about just using one config doc for the whole widget rather than a config per locale? 15:29:24 AB: some orgs use different groups to do their localization so keeping them separate works well with those business arrangements 15:29:51 ... and munging everything into a single config file can be problematic 15:30:09 Arve: also can expect things such as layout to vary depending on locale 15:30:26 JK: if anyone has a ptr to past discussions, I would appreciate 15:31:11 ... think there is a need for more information about how to handle merging when more than one config file is used 15:31:21 Arve: think we need to hear from Marcos 15:32:18 AB: any other comments about Jere's email? 15:32:21 [None] 15:32:36 Topic: API & Events spec 15:32:46 AB: this spec hasn't been update recently 15:33:05 ... ED is http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/ 15:33:19 Arve: we still have a few Red Blocks in the spec 15:33:50 ... some changes to HTML5 need to discussed before we move fwd with our spec 15:34:11 ... I need to review the changes Hixie has made 15:34:46 ... his changes potentially will affect what we want to specifiy 15:35:36 AB: can you agree to a deadline for that analysis? 15:35:43 Arve: yes 15:36:07 AB: is one week sufficient? 15:36:10 Arve: yes 15:36:55 ACTION: arve review changes to HTML5 that may affect API and Events spec and propose a way forward 15:36:55 Created ACTION-290 - Review changes to HTML5 that may affect API and Events spec and propose a way forward [on Arve Bersvendsen - due 2009-01-22]. 15:37:14 -hendry 15:37:47 [ Some discussion on whether or the ED at http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/ is the latest version or not ... ] 15:38:09 s/on whether or/on whether or not/ 15:39:35 Arve: it appears I have not checked in agreed changes from Mandelieu 15:40:06 ... I will check in all changes before our next Voice Conf 15:41:51 AB: anything else on this topic? 15:41:53 [None] 15:41:58 Topic: AOB 15:42:07 B: Benoit sent me an info packet for the Paris meeting 15:42:17 s/B: Benoit/AB: Benoit/ 15:42:25 ... I will upload that to the meeting page and notify the group 15:42:34 AB: Anything else? 15:42:45 [None] 15:42:50 AB: Meeting adjourned? 15:43:13 Zakim, drop me 15:43:13 MikeSmith is being disconnected 15:43:14 -MikeSmith 15:43:15 -David 15:43:17 -Jere 15:43:19 ... Yes, meeting adjourned 15:43:23 -Josh_Soref 15:43:25 -ArtB 15:43:29 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:43:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/15-wam-minutes.html ArtB 15:43:30 -arve 15:43:43 -Mark 15:43:45 IA_WebApps(Widgets)10:00AM has ended 15:43:46 Attendees were Josh_Soref, +1.781.993.aaaa, ArtB, +358.503.85aabb, Jere, +47.23.69.aacc, arve, +0777183aadd, Mark, David, Mike, hendry, MikeSmith 15:44:00 Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference 15:44:19 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:44:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/15-wam-minutes.html ArtB 15:44:22 arve has left #wam 15:44:28 JereK has left #wam 15:47:11 hendry has left #wam 15:48:48 zakim, bye 15:48:48 Zakim has left #wam 15:49:09 rrsagent, bye 15:49:09 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/15-wam-actions.rdf : 15:49:09 ACTION: Barstow follow-up with Dom re Widget Testing and our Feb 24-26 f2f meeting [1] 15:49:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/15-wam-irc#T15-16-06 15:49:09 ACTION: Marcos create a tracking document for the P&C LCWD [2] 15:49:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/15-wam-irc#T15-19-10 15:49:09 ACTION: arve review changes to HTML5 that may affect API and Events spec and propose a way forward [3] 15:49:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/15-wam-irc#T15-36-55