IRC log of wam on 2009-01-15

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zakim, aabb is Jere
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+Jere; got it
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zakim, aacc is arve
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+arve; got it
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Date: 15 January 2009
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ScribeNick: ArtB
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Scribe: Art
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Chair: Art
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zakim, aadd is David
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+David; got it
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Present: Art, Arve, Kai, Josh, Jere, David, Mark
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Regrets: Frederick, Thomas, Marcos
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Topic: Review and Tweak Agenda
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AB: agenda published January 14... it is
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AB: DigSig not on the agenda because FH and TLR are at the XML Security WG's f2f meeting this week
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AB: one change I propose is to move Testing to the beginning of the meeting so Kai doesn't have to stay on the entire call
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AB: any problems with that proposal?
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AB: any other change requests?
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Topic: Annoucements
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AB: January 31 is the deadline for Comments for the P&C LCWD
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AB: very important to hit the deadline to optimze our f2f time in Paris
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AB: any other announcements?
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Topic: Widget Testing
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AB: Kai, would you please give us a short status?
15:06:31 [hendry]
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KH: I've done a lot of work but because of the end of year holidays progress has been a bit slow
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... recently talking to MC and TLR about DigSig
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... We recently agreed to move MWTS tests to the "Opera format"
15:08:03 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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15:08:09 [ArtB]
... This has been a bit more complicated than I'd like
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Present+ Mike
15:08:44 [timeless]
zakim, drop mike-mobile
15:08:44 [Zakim]
sorry, timeless, I do not see a party named 'mike-mobile'
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KH: have also been communicating with DavidH (Opera) re the widget RELAX NG schema
15:09:58 [hendry]
15:10:00 [arve]
(I missed a few minutes here, due to a phone call)
15:10:02 [ArtB]
... The test unloads the zip and runs the widget in the browser
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s/The test/The test framework/
15:10:17 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, call Mike
15:10:17 [Zakim]
ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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15:10:28 [ArtB]
KH: I need feedback from you guys to help
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AB: any volunteers to review what Kai and MWTS have done?
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JS: I can take a look
15:11:51 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, drop Mike
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'Mike' is ambiguous, MikeSmith
15:12:05 [timeless]
zakim, drop mikesmith
15:12:05 [Zakim]
sorry, timeless, I do not see a party named 'mikesmith'
15:12:18 [timeless]
zakim, who is on?
15:12:18 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, timeless.
15:12:23 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:12:23 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Josh_Soref, ??P6, ArtB, Jere, arve, David, Mark, Mike, Mike
15:12:30 [arve]
zakeem, Drop Mike
15:12:33 [arve]
zakim, Drop Mike
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'Mike' is ambiguous, arve
15:12:44 [Bryan]
Bryan can help review it - on chat only today
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15:12:59 [ArtB]
Present+ Bryan
15:13:01 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, drop Mike-Mobile
15:13:01 [Zakim]
sorry, MikeSmith, I do not see a party named 'Mike-Mobile'
15:13:16 [ArtB]
AB: thanks Bryan
15:13:25 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, call Mike
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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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15:13:38 [ArtB]
AB: are you/MWTS blocked by WebApps?
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KH: no, not really
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... if you want to make things go faster, then please make some contributions
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AB: OK; understood
15:14:31 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, ??P6 is hendry
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+hendry; got it
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AB: any other comments for KAI or about the test suite?
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AB: we are having a Widgets f2f meeting Feb 24-26 in Paris
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... I assume widgets will be on the agenda
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KH: I will not be available that week
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... Dom may be able to attend or help
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ACTION: Barstow follow-up with Dom re Widget Testing and our Feb 24-26 f2f meeting
15:16:06 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-288 - Follow-up with Dom re Widget Testing and our Feb 24-26 f2f meeting [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-01-22].
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KH: are there some other implementations I can use for inspiration?
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AB: Scott Wilson's email today describes two EU projects that are implementing parts of the Widgets specs
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Topic: P&C Last Call WD
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AB: formal comments from Boris and Jere
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... Don't necessarily want to go through the comments line-by-line
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... However, we do have an obligation to respond to every comment submitted and we must continue to use public-webapps for that
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ACTION: Marcos create a tracking document for the P&C LCWD
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Created ACTION-289 - Create a tracking document for the P&C LCWD [on Marcos Caceres - due 2009-01-22].
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... We can discuss any particular Hot Topic and/or process-related
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AB: Boris
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AB: one area of continued concern is the HTML5 dependency
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... Borris' comment #4 raises this issue
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AB: HTML5 isn't going to reach REC for some time, unfortuantely
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... our options are somewhat limited
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Arve: I'm OK with us referencing those parts of HTML5 that are stable
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... perhaps we need to clearly identify those specs in WebApps that have a dependency on HTML and give them to Hixie
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AB: any other comments on HTML5 dependency issue?
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AB: any comments on Borris' input?
15:24:00 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see Josh_Soref, hendry, ArtB, Jere, arve, David, Mark, Mike.a
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... clearly it indicates we neet to tighten up the spec
15:24:11 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, Mike.a is me
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+MikeSmith; got it
15:24:36 [ArtB]
... I didn't see anything I would characterize as a "Show Stopper"
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AB: surely Marcos will reply but anyone else should feel free to reply too
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AB: Jere sent comments:
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AB: are there any particularly urgent comments, Marcos?
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JK: comment #1 is a bit urgent because it could affect the testing re localization
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AB: thanks for sending these comments
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JK: re comment #5, were there discussions about just using one config doc for the whole widget rather than a config per locale?
15:29:24 [ArtB]
AB: some orgs use different groups to do their localization so keeping them separate works well with those business arrangements
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... and munging everything into a single config file can be problematic
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Arve: also can expect things such as layout to vary depending on locale
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JK: if anyone has a ptr to past discussions, I would appreciate
15:31:11 [ArtB]
... think there is a need for more information about how to handle merging when more than one config file is used
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Arve: think we need to hear from Marcos
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AB: any other comments about Jere's email?
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Topic: API & Events spec
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AB: this spec hasn't been update recently
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... ED is
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Arve: we still have a few Red Blocks in the spec
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... some changes to HTML5 need to discussed before we move fwd with our spec
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... I need to review the changes Hixie has made
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... his changes potentially will affect what we want to specifiy
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AB: can you agree to a deadline for that analysis?
15:35:43 [ArtB]
Arve: yes
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AB: is one week sufficient?
15:36:10 [ArtB]
Arve: yes
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ACTION: arve review changes to HTML5 that may affect API and Events spec and propose a way forward
15:36:55 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-290 - Review changes to HTML5 that may affect API and Events spec and propose a way forward [on Arve Bersvendsen - due 2009-01-22].
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[ Some discussion on whether or the ED at is the latest version or not ... ]
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s/on whether or/on whether or not/
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Arve: it appears I have not checked in agreed changes from Mandelieu
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... I will check in all changes before our next Voice Conf
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AB: anything else on this topic?
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Topic: AOB
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B: Benoit sent me an info packet for the Paris meeting
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s/B: Benoit/AB: Benoit/
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... I will upload that to the meeting page and notify the group
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AB: Anything else?
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AB: Meeting adjourned?
15:43:13 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, drop me
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MikeSmith is being disconnected
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15:43:19 [ArtB]
... Yes, meeting adjourned
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Attendees were Josh_Soref, +1.781.993.aaaa, ArtB, +358.503.85aabb, Jere, +47.23.69.aacc, arve, +0777183aadd, Mark, David, Mike, hendry, MikeSmith
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Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference
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zakim, bye
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ACTION: Barstow follow-up with Dom re Widget Testing and our Feb 24-26 f2f meeting [1]
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ACTION: Marcos create a tracking document for the P&C LCWD [2]
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ACTION: arve review changes to HTML5 that may affect API and Events spec and propose a way forward [3]
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