IRC log of ws-ra on 2009-01-14
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- checking my nick
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- -[Microsoft]
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- WS_WSRA()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were [Microsoft], Ashok_Malhotra
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-ws-ra-irc
- 17:12:49 [gregcarp]
- I'm on the phone
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- muted
- 17:13:39 [dug]
- sciprname: Dug
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- scribename: Dug
- 17:13:59 [Bob]
- scribenick: Dug
- 17:14:25 [dug]
- Topic: f2f schedule revisited
- 17:14:42 [dug]
- Oracle confirmed for hosting Jun f2f
- 17:14:59 [dug]
- Sept - Katy/IBM - requested that we adjust the date
- 17:15:13 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-ws-ra-minutes.html Yves
- 17:15:45 [dug]
- Suggests week of Sept 14th
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- hosted by IBM
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- in UK/Hursely
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- No objection - Sept F2F moved to week of Sept 14th in UK/Hursley hosted by IBM
- 17:18:59 [dug]
- lunch will be at 12:45-2pm pacific
- 17:19:05 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WS-Resource%20Access
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- Topic: Issues
- 17:24:40 [gpilz]
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- it seems to me that individual implementations could build against such a permissive schema
- 17:27:07 [gpilz]
- without us necessarily having to specify that schema in the standard
- 17:29:03 [dug]
- issue 6391 - accepted
- 17:30:05 [dug]
- assigned to Dug
- 17:33:46 [dug]
- issue 6392 - accepted - assigned to Dug
- 17:37:55 [dug]
- issues 6393-6395 - dup of 6392 - same issue, different operation
- 17:41:31 [dug]
- issue 6396 - accepted - assigned to Dug
- 17:45:49 [dug]
- issue 6397 - accepted - assigned to Gil
- 17:46:04 [gpilz]
- are there multiple bugzilla instances in the W3C?
- 17:46:09 [dug]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WS-Resource%20Access
- 17:47:48 [dug]
- issue 6398 - accepted - assigned to Dug
- 17:48:56 [dug]
- issue 6399 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6400 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6401 - accepted - assigned to Dug
- 17:57:33 [dug]
- issue 6402 - accepted - assigned to Dug
- 17:59:32 [dug]
- issue 6403 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6404 - accepted - assigned to Dug
- 18:05:43 [dug]
- issue 6405 - accepted - assigned to Dug
- 18:07:09 [dug]
- issue 6406 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6407 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6408 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6409 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6410 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6411 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6412 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6413 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6414 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issues 6415 - accepted - assigned to Dug
- 18:22:57 [dug]
- s/issues/issue/
- 18:23:24 [dug]
- issue 6416 - accepted - assigned to Dug
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- issue 6418 - accepted - assigned to Geoff
- 18:25:59 [dug]
- issue 6419 - dup of 6405
- 18:26:51 [dug]
- issue 6420 - dup of 6404
- 18:28:30 [dug]
- issue 6421 - accepted - assigned to Geoff
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- issue 6422 - accepted - assigned to Geoff
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- break until 10:45 pacific
- 18:40:36 [Yves]
- w
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- s/w//
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- issue 6424 - accepted - assign to Li
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- issue 6425 - accepted - assigned to Li
- 18:54:45 [gpilz]
- +q
- 18:57:19 [dug]
- issue 6426 - accepted - assigned to Li
- 18:58:33 [Bob]
- ack gp
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- issue 6427 - accepted - assigned to Li
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- issue 6428 - accepted - assign to Li
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- issue 6429 - accepted - assigned to Li
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- issue 6430 - accepted - assigned to Li
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- issue 6431 - accepted - assigned to Li
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- 19:24:25 [Li]
- how can i see the ongoing presentation?
- 19:24:57 [Yves]
- we are noodling with Bugzilla, so no presentation now
- 19:25:15 [Li]
- thanks
- 19:27:36 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WS-Resource%20Access
- 19:30:03 [asir]
- here is the uri if anyone needs it - mailto:public-ws-resource-access-notifications-request@w3.org?subject=subscribe
- 19:30:35 [Yves]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access-notifications/
- 19:31:38 [dug]
- issue 6432 - accepted - assigned to Gil
- 19:36:36 [Yves]
- Dug: http://www.w3.org/2003/Editors/
- 19:37:12 [Yves]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access-editors/
- 19:37:46 [dug]
- AI: Bob to provide info to editors on format of specs and on how to covert the docs.
- 19:40:31 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 19:40:45 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 19:41:07 [dug]
- Topic: issue 6391
- 19:41:08 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/2003/Editors/#grammars (for the xmlspec format)
- 19:41:13 [gpilz]
- q+
- 19:41:21 [gregcarp]
- you can;t hear me
- 19:41:25 [gregcarp]
- But I can hear you
- 19:41:51 [gregcarp]
- can you hear me now?
- 19:41:55 [Ashok_Malhotra]
- zakim, unmute all
- 19:41:55 [Zakim]
- sorry, Ashok_Malhotra, I do not know which phone connection belongs to all
- 19:42:00 [gregcarp]
- Let me dial back in
- 19:42:12 [gregcarp]
- talk amongst yourselves :-)
- 19:42:15 [dug]
- lol
- 19:42:16 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 19:42:22 [Bob]
- ack gp
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- +[Microsoft]
- 19:44:36 [Bob]
- ack greg
- 19:45:03 [gpilz]
- +q
- 19:45:09 [dug]
- q+
- 19:45:44 [dug]
- gregc: should we allow impls to support both versions of WSA
- 19:45:47 [dug]
- ?
- 19:45:53 [Bob]
- ack gp
- 19:46:38 [dug]
- gil: impls can do more than what's in the spec
- 19:46:44 [dug]
- ... but we don't need to say that in the spec
- 19:47:00 [dug]
- ... our schema should not be loosely typed
- 19:47:24 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 19:47:34 [Bob]
- q?
- 19:49:02 [dug]
- dug: make it a new issue.
- 19:49:11 [dug]
- ... where do we stop? should we talk about WSA headers?
- 19:50:02 [dug]
- Wu: can a w3c spec refer to a non-standardized spec?
- 19:50:19 [asir]
- q+
- 19:50:33 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 19:51:21 [dug]
- bob: it has happened - soap11 is the prim example
- 19:51:23 [Zakim]
- - +1.908.696.aaee
- 19:52:01 [dug]
- s/prim/prime/
- 19:52:29 [dug]
- ... ISO however doesn't like it
- 19:52:37 [asir]
- q-
- 19:53:09 [dug]
- ... personally, I would resist it
- 19:53:26 [Bob]
- q?
- 19:53:45 [dug]
- Wu: we should require normative reference - otherwise it could cause confusion
- 19:56:02 [dug]
- gregc: don't want a ref to old WSA - just wanted to know if we should allow the content model to be more open
- 19:56:42 [dug]
- ... ok with this as long as I can open a new issue later to extend the model
- 19:56:48 [dug]
- ... if I want
- 19:57:25 [Bob]
- q?
- 19:57:31 [Bob]
- ack greg
- 19:58:26 [gpilz]
- +q
- 19:58:38 [dug]
- asir: some specs allow for both - we need a proposal to know how those will be dealt with
- 19:58:40 [dug]
- +q
- 19:58:59 [Bob]
- ack gpi
- 19:59:09 [dug]
- gil: our xsd/specs should not allow both
- 20:00:26 [Bob]
- q?
- 20:00:34 [dug]
- ... replace xs:any with an EPR in those spots
- 20:00:52 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 20:01:15 [gregcarp]
- That's what I don't believe tehe current proposal endorses
- 20:01:28 [gregcarp]
- And I don' think I'm ready to agree to that
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- 20:02:37 [dug]
- dug: we should replace xs:any with 2005 EPRs
- 20:04:05 [gregcarp]
- I am unwilling to make that call at this point
- 20:05:19 [gregcarp]
- I am not proposing a reference to the member submission
- 20:06:06 [dug]
- bob: 3 choices: 1) ref both, 2) xs:any->REC EPR, 3) REC EPR + extensibility
- 20:06:33 [dug]
- actually xs:any should be xs:any or any EPR reference
- 20:06:45 [dug]
- in option #2
- 20:07:35 [gregcarp]
- I agree with what Bob just said
- 20:08:04 [dug]
- bob: no one disagrees that REC must be 'in'
- 20:08:14 [gpilz]
- +q
- 20:08:35 [dug]
- ... extensibility points - how (and if) should they be worked into the spec?
- 20:09:14 [dug]
- Wu: extensibility points are optional
- 20:09:45 [dug]
- Gil: this is about schema design. Supporting both causes the use of an xs:any - its not just adding a ... after the REC EPR
- 20:10:13 [dug]
- bob: everyone agrees with that implication
- 20:10:38 [dug]
- gil: if this were just adding a ... but that's not what we're talking about - we're talking about having weakly typed EPRs - ie. xs:any's
- 20:10:55 [dug]
- ... its harmful - we shouldn't do it.
- 20:11:02 [asir]
- q+ to make a general observation
- 20:11:12 [dug]
- +q
- 20:11:52 [dug]
- jeff: should we stay silent on "other stuff"?
- 20:12:06 [Bob]
- ack asir
- 20:12:06 [Zakim]
- asir, you wanted to make a general observation
- 20:12:34 [dug]
- asir: schemas are generally weaker than the normative text
- 20:12:39 [Geoff]
- q+
- 20:13:37 [gpilz]
- +1
- 20:13:50 [Ashok_Malhotra]
- +1
- 20:13:53 [gpilz]
- separate the issues
- 20:13:56 [dug]
- Dug: let's keep it simple for now - keep this issue about REC EPRs
- 20:15:10 [dug]
- bob: contentious point is about extensibility - having a hard time understanding how an xs:any can be used in a conformance clause
- 20:15:44 [gregcarp]
- simple to me means remove textual references to the submission version of addressing from the spec
- 20:16:12 [asir]
- but this issue is more than find and replace
- 20:16:30 [Bob]
- q?
- 20:16:38 [dug]
- its remove the option of other EPRs too
- 20:16:40 [Bob]
- ack geo
- 20:16:46 [asir]
- yes more than simple changes
- 20:18:23 [asir]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is gregcarp
- 20:18:23 [Zakim]
- +gregcarp; got it
- 20:18:56 [dug]
- bob: we all agree to support REC WSA - we need to discuss extensibility and form it takes
- 20:19:05 [dug]
- ... some specs already have this and some do not
- 20:19:27 [dug]
- ... for consistency they should all be the same
- 20:19:40 [dug]
- ... can someone open an issue to discuss this issue
- 20:21:03 [dug]
- asir: this is more than just s/2004/2005/g
- 20:22:27 [dug]
- bob: suggests that since we're inconsistent across the specs - we need to either put them in everywhere or take then all out - but do that in a different issue
- 20:22:40 [dug]
- ... for now suggest we leave any extensibility point there for now
- 20:25:36 [Bob]
- q?
- 20:26:09 [dug]
- asir: I want to see a concrete proposal
- 20:26:25 [dug]
- bob: I want to get thru more than one issue per day
- 20:26:39 [dug]
- asir: I see patterns
- 20:28:19 [dug]
- bob: make the directional decision but a red-lined version will be produced
- 20:30:51 [dug]
- ... I'd like to get some kind of resolution
- 20:31:47 [dug]
- bob: any objection to this proposal?
- 20:32:14 [dug]
- ... or to giving the editors editorial license "do the obvious"
- 20:32:27 [dug]
- s/license/license to/
- 20:32:35 [dug]
- but leave xs:any->EPR issue out of it for now
- 20:33:45 [dug]
- resolution: as proposed w/o
- 20:34:55 [asir]
- RRSAgent, where am I?
- 20:34:55 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-ws-ra-irc#T20-34-55
- 20:35:36 [dug]
- RT is included in the list of specs - group agrees
- 20:40:32 [Zakim]
- -Ashok_Malhotra
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- issue states: new, assigned, resolved, incorporated, closed
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- break for lunch - until 2pm pacific
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- -??P19
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- -gregcarp
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- WS_WSRA()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.571.262.aaaa, +1.571.262.aabb, +91.40.66.29.aacc, Ashok_Malhotra, J.Mischkinsky, +91.40.66.29.aadd, +1.908.696.aaee, gregcarp
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- WS_WSRA()11:00AM has now started
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- +??P11
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- +Ashok_Malhotra
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- +[Microsoft]
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- -[Microsoft]
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- +[Microsoft]
- 22:12:37 [gregcarp]
- Zakim [Microsoft] is gregcarp
- 22:15:42 [dug]
- topic: issue 6392
- 22:15:51 [Ashok_Malhotra]
- q+
- 22:15:54 [dug]
- Dug: let's just match the text with the schema ;-)
- 22:16:38 [dug]
- ... wsman profiles out multiple children too
- 22:16:49 [Geoff]
- q+
- 22:17:02 [prasad-2]
- Will this work? ==> The presence of subsequent "embedded" child elements is service-specific and MAY be controlled by the presence or extension-specific SOAP headers in the original request
- 22:17:08 [Bob]
- ack ashok
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- 22:18:51 [dug]
- Ashok: spec is a subset of BP
- 22:19:23 [asir]
- q?
- 22:19:32 [dug]
- dug: xsd and spec are inconsistent anyway
- 22:20:46 [dug]
- ashok: why not fix the schema?
- 22:20:53 [Bob]
- ack geoff
- 22:20:56 [dug]
- dug: two ways to do it - change text or change xsd
- 22:21:16 [gpilz]
- q+
- 22:21:24 [dug]
- geoff: don't want to remove a feature
- 22:21:29 [dug]
- +q
- 22:21:33 [Bob]
- ack gpil
- 22:21:40 [dug]
- gil: true but extensibility comes at a price
- 22:22:09 [dug]
- ... interop trumps extensibility IMO
- 22:22:25 [gpilz]
- in this case at least
- 22:22:28 [gregcarp]
- q+
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- 22:23:02 [gpilz]
- it would be a different matter if there were some clear and compelling use cases for extending the response
- 22:23:24 [dug]
- dug: perhaps we should have done the wrapper first
- 22:23:30 [Bob]
- ack greg
- 22:24:18 [dug]
- gregc: soap12 clearly allows multiple children in the body
- 22:24:48 [asir]
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- 22:24:59 [dug]
- ... we don't view BP2.0 as a replacement for soap1.2
- 22:25:05 [Yves]
- c
- 22:25:10 [Yves]
- s/c//
- 22:25:35 [dug]
- topic: issue 6397
- 22:26:11 [Bob]
- 20 minutes cap
- 22:26:14 [dug]
- gil: remove the SubscriptionMgr EPR from the SubscriptionEnd message
- 22:26:38 [dug]
- ... add text that talks about how you can use ref-params
- 22:27:27 [dug]
- Geoff: generally fine
- 22:27:59 [dug]
- Dug: as an editor - keep the stuff about ref-params?
- 22:28:15 [gpilz]
- Note, Subscribers wishing to correlate SubscriptionEnd messages with subscriptions may wish to add ReferenceParameters to the EndTo EPR.
- 22:28:58 [gpilz]
- (insert in description of EndTo EPR in section on Subscribe)
- 22:32:01 [dug]
- action: Gil to write up a more detailed proposal
- 22:32:18 [asir]
- s/proposal/proposal for 6397/
- 22:33:21 [dug]
- topic: issue 6398
- 22:33:56 [gregcarp]
- some one fax me a beer please ...
- 22:34:57 [Geoff]
- q+
- 22:35:06 [dug]
- Dug: goes over the issue
- 22:36:08 [dug]
- Geoff: what about createResponse?
- 22:36:13 [dug]
- Dug: an oversight - that would be included
- 22:36:46 [dug]
- Geoff: unclear what impact this will have
- 22:36:50 [dug]
- +q
- 22:37:02 [dug]
- Geoff: would like to see the impact on referenced specs
- 22:37:06 [asir]
- q+
- 22:37:35 [gpilz]
- pretty clear we can't close anything without more detail
- 22:37:56 [gpilz]
- let's just recess for the rest of the afternoon so we can work on more detailed proposals
- 22:39:07 [Bob]
- q?
- 22:39:29 [Bob]
- ack asir
- 22:41:46 [Bob]
- q?
- 22:46:30 [gpilz]
- q+
- 22:46:49 [Bob]
- ack gpil
- 22:49:33 [prasad-2]
- ?
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- 22:51:12 [Bob]
- action: Dug to amplify proposal for 6398 correcting oversite of CreateResponse and to examine efect of RT, or other specs in-charter that reference Transfer as required.
- 22:51:41 [Bob]
- s/of RT/on RT
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- 22:54:44 [Bob]
- q?
- 22:55:31 [Ashok_Malhotra]
- q+
- 22:55:43 [Bob]
- ack ashok
- 22:57:36 [Yves]
- <Dug> Dug: we should have policy to describe all of the various options in the specs
- 22:57:53 [Yves]
- <Dug> Yves: what about the client sending in what it can support and the server choosing the best match?
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- 22:58:44 [gpilz]
- q+
- 22:58:51 [dug]
- Dug: define policy for each optional feature of the specs
- 22:59:17 [dug]
- Yves: why not let the client send in what it supports and let the server pick the best from that list?
- 22:59:54 [dug]
- Geoff: proposal says to define policy expressions - but it doesn't say 'how' to use them.
- 23:00:09 [dug]
- ... wording around them about how to use them successfully.
- 23:00:58 [dug]
- Dug: examples? sure we can add those as needed.
- 23:01:05 [prasad-2]
- q+
- 23:01:17 [asir]
- q+
- 23:01:31 [wuchou]
- q+
- 23:02:36 [dug]
- gil: client sending in what it can support might not work - might not be scalable.
- 23:03:19 [dug]
- ... examples: negotiation of policy is probably better left for a primer
- 23:03:27 [Yves]
- sending _everything_ supported by the client definitely won't fly, sending a shortlist of _preferred_ options (and let the server decide if it doesn;t match is much more practical
- 23:04:52 [dug]
- prasad: flat list of assertions or nested?
- 23:05:01 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 23:05:06 [dug]
- Dug: could be a combination - will probably depend on the specific feature
- 23:05:18 [Bob]
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- 23:05:28 [Bob]
- q?
- 23:05:38 [dug]
- Asir: policy group wrote a best practices around this
- 23:05:47 [Bob]
- ack gpil
- 23:05:58 [Bob]
- ack pras
- 23:06:11 [asir]
- 33 point check list at http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/NOTE-ws-policy-guidelines-20071112/
- 23:06:19 [Bob]
- ack asir
- 23:06:32 [asir]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/NOTE-ws-policy-guidelines-20071112/#best-practices-list
- 23:06:50 [Bob]
- ck wu
- 23:06:56 [Bob]
- ack wu
- 23:07:30 [dug]
- wu: would like to understand the impact - would like a light-weight solution
- 23:07:37 [asir]
- q+
- 23:08:12 [dug]
- ... is policy optional?
- 23:08:17 [dug]
- Dug: yes - optional
- 23:08:24 [Bob]
- ack greg
- 23:08:50 [dug]
- gregc: security should be done by security policy
- 23:09:10 [dug]
- asir: while metadata is optional , if everyone uses it then its not so optional
- 23:09:29 [Ashok_Malhotra]
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- 23:09:30 [dug]
- ... lean expressions is the key
- 23:11:24 [dug]
- Wu: would like to see some concrete examples
- 23:12:29 [dug]
- action: issue 6402 - Dug to write up a detailed proposal
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- 23:15:21 [dug]
- topic: issue 6404
- 23:19:51 [dug]
- Dug: proposal mex = everything you can and default == 'mex'
- 23:20:29 [dug]
- Asir: goes over the proposal from the workshop
- 23:20:37 [dug]
- ... no dialect == up to provider
- 23:20:50 [dug]
- ... mex dialect == all known dialects
- 23:20:52 [dug]
- +q
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- 23:23:23 [Bob]
- ack asir
- 23:23:26 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 23:23:59 [Ashok_Malhotra]
- Do you want to remove the 'whatever' option?
- 23:24:11 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 23:24:26 [Bob]
- ack greg
- 23:25:21 [prasad-2]
- q+
- 23:25:54 [dug]
- gregc: what if I'm a metadata browser
- 23:25:56 [dug]
- ?
- 23:26:25 [Bob]
- ack prasad
- 23:27:05 [dug]
- prasad: what does 'all metadata' mean?
- 23:27:21 [dug]
- dug: gimme everything I'm allowed to see
- 23:28:10 [dug]
- ... I'd like to understand this 'whatever' option better
- 23:28:54 [dug]
- asir: not sure where the ambiguity is
- 23:29:03 [Ashok_Malhotra]
- q+
- 23:29:41 [dug]
- ashok: dug is asking: what's it purpose? what does it do?
- 23:29:51 [Bob]
- ack ashok
- 23:29:57 [dug]
- ... tell us more about it? how? for what purpose?
- 23:32:44 [prasad-2]
- What metadata is visible to a client is subject to visibility constraints associated with the identity of the client and policy associated with the provider. We need to qualify *all* metadata (MEX) option needs to clarify that. That is the client may not be entitled to see all metadata even if the client asks for it.
- 23:33:27 [dug]
- Gil: can't think of an example of why someone would do this
- 23:34:32 [jacques]
- Just replace both "everything" and "whatever" with: "allyoucan"
- 23:36:09 [prasad-2]
- s/needs to/ to/
- 23:39:30 [gregcarp]
- Is the 'r' silent in that "whatever", or not? :-)
- 23:39:53 [Ashok_Malhotra]
- whatevva!
- 23:50:36 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 23:51:10 [gregcarp]
- q-
- 23:52:13 [dug]
- action: issue 6404 - Geoff to write up why we need "whatever"? what's it purpose - and a new proposal
- 23:56:26 [dug]
- topic: 6397
- 23:56:34 [dug]
- Gil - talks about his concrete proposal
- 23:57:02 [dug]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0038.html
- 00:03:36 [dug]
- resolved: new proposal accepted w/o
- 00:03:39 [dug]
- and they all rejoiced
- 00:04:53 [Bob]
- rrsagent, where am i?
- 00:04:53 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-ws-ra-irc#T00-04-53
- 00:05:20 [asir]
- Thanks Gil!
- 00:07:08 [Zakim]
- -Ashok_Malhotra
- 00:13:10 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 00:18:56 [dug]
- topic: issue 6405
- 00:22:50 [prasad-2]
- q+
- 00:23:07 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 00:24:57 [dug]
- Dug: explained proposal
- 00:25:15 [dug]
- Jeff: need to define the skip
- 00:25:24 [Bob]
- ack prasad
- 00:25:33 [Zakim]
- +Ashok_Malhotra
- 00:26:05 [asir]
- q+
- 00:27:40 [Bob]
- ack asir
- 00:29:48 [dug]
- asir: 'format' might not be the best word for it
- 00:32:28 [dug]
- default == any, define an "all" dialect
- 00:36:55 [dug]
- (dialect (identifier)?)? (format)*
- 00:38:42 [dug]
- define a 'any' dialect
- 00:38:52 [dug]
- per jeff's comment, clarify that what 'skip' means - meaning no metadata section for that dialect/format
- 00:39:12 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 00:39:31 [Bob]
- ack greg
- 00:41:39 [gpilz]
- suggest synonyms for "format"; embodiment, incarnation
- 00:41:54 [dug]
- gregc: would policy help here?
- 00:42:18 [dug]
- dug: for advertising which are available,yes, but not for providing a hint
- 00:46:17 [gpilz]
- shape?
- 00:46:22 [dug]
- ai: issue 6405 - Doug to write up the above mods in a note/proposal
- 00:46:29 [gpilz]
- form?
- 00:48:48 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 00:48:57 [gregcarp]
- regarding the optimization
- 00:49:27 [dug]
- topic: issue 6409
- 00:49:44 [gregcarp]
- q-
- 00:51:27 [dug]
- defer - people need to talk to devs
- 00:51:54 [Zakim]
- -Ashok_Malhotra
- 00:55:35 [gregcarp]
- q+ I need a clarification
- 00:55:46 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 00:57:07 [Bob]
- ack greg
- 01:01:50 [dug]
- topic: issue 6412
- 01:02:36 [dug]
- dug - describes the proposal
- 01:06:06 [dug]
- modification - make sure the PutModeNotSupported fault includes the uri
- 01:07:59 [dug]
- resolution: accepted w/o with the modification to the fault mentioned above
- 01:08:13 [Bob]
- rrsagent, where am i
- 01:08:13 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'where am i', Bob. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 01:08:50 [Bob]
- rrsagent, where am i?
- 01:08:50 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-ws-ra-irc#T01-08-50
- 01:12:28 [dug]
- topic: new issues
- 01:14:18 [dug]
- issue 6433 - accepted - assigned to Gil
- 01:18:57 [dug]
- issue 6435 - accepted - assigned to Gil
- 01:20:49 [dug]
- issue 6436 - accepted - assigned to Gil
- 01:22:49 [Geoff]
- q+
- 01:23:49 [dug]
- topic: issue 6408
- 01:24:01 [dug]
- dug describes the issue
- 01:24:05 [Bob]
- ack geoff
- 01:25:09 [dug]
- geoff: could be a very large burden on the service
- 01:31:26 [Bob]
- q+
- 01:31:33 [prasad-2]
- q+
- 01:32:58 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 01:33:25 [Bob]
- ack bob
- 01:34:00 [Bob]
- ack prasad
- 01:35:09 [Bob]
- ack greg
- 01:36:16 [gregcarp]
- q+
- 01:37:24 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 01:38:59 [Bob]
- ack greg
- 01:42:24 [Zakim]
- disconnecting the lone participant, ??P11, in WS_WSRA()11:00AM
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- Attendees were Ashok_Malhotra, [Microsoft]
- 01:48:41 [Bob]
- rrsagent pointer?
- 01:49:05 [Bob]
- rrsagent, pointer?
- 01:49:05 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-ws-ra-irc#T01-49-05
- 01:49:54 [asir]
- RRSAgent, where am I?
- 01:49:54 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-ws-ra-irc#T01-49-54
- 01:51:11 [Bob]
- rrsagent, make logs public
- 01:51:23 [Bob]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 01:51:23 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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