IRC log of ws-ra on 2009-01-13
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- 17:17:44 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #ws-ra
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-ws-ra-irc
- 17:17:48 [Ashok]
- Pl. tell me when I should dial in
- 17:19:15 [Bob]
- ok, all dial in
- 17:20:10 [Geoff]
- zakim, who is there
- 17:20:10 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is there', Geoff
- 17:20:43 [Geoff]
- zakim, who is there?
- 17:20:43 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, Geoff.
- 17:20:59 [Geoff]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:20:59 [Zakim]
- sorry, Geoff, I don't know what conference this is
- 17:21:01 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Bob, Geoff, Vikas-SoftwareAG, Zakim, gregcarp, Ashok, Dug-web, GregC, Dug, Yves
- 17:21:03 [Ashok]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 17:21:03 [Zakim]
- sorry, Ashok, I don't know what conference this is
- 17:21:04 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Bob, Geoff, Vikas-SoftwareAG, Zakim, gregcarp, Ashok, Dug-web, GregC, Dug, Yves
- 17:21:07 [Bob]
- zakim, who is on the pjone?
- 17:21:11 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, Bob.
- 17:21:38 [Bob]
- zakim, this will be WS_WSRA
- 17:21:38 [Zakim]
- ok, Bob, I see WS_WSRA()11:00AM already started
- 17:22:44 [Vikas-SoftwareAG]
- I have also dialed-in on phone.
- 17:22:46 [Bob]
- rrsagent, pointer?
- 17:22:46 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-ws-ra-irc#T17-22-46
- 17:30:37 [prasad]
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- 17:38:08 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'help'
- 17:39:31 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ (for tracker help)
- 17:39:55 [Bob]
- scribenick: Geoff
- 17:43:39 [jeffm]
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- 17:50:44 [gpilz]
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- 17:51:12 [Geoff]
- TOPIC: Mailing lists
- 17:51:27 [Geoff]
- member list used for phone numbers and addresses etc
- 17:51:38 [Geoff]
- technical discussion on public list
- 17:52:55 [Geoff]
- ACTION: Yves - take care of editors mailing list
- 17:53:18 [Geoff]
- Editors list should be public
- 17:54:24 [Geoff]
- conference call #'s for India?
- 17:54:34 [Geoff]
- vonage - doesn;t have number in India
- 17:55:44 [Geoff]
- s/does;t/unfortunately doen't
- 17:57:04 [Geoff]
- recommend we use tracker for maintaining action items
- 17:57:28 [Geoff]
- TOPIC: Issue lists
- 17:57:58 [Geoff]
- tracker or bugzilla?
- 17:58:36 [Geoff]
- ashok recommends bugzilla
- 17:58:46 [Geoff]
- asir supports this
- 17:59:14 [Geoff]
- we have consensus to use bugzilla
- 17:59:35 [Geoff]
- ACTION: Yves - set up bugzilla
- 18:00:15 [Zakim]
- - +91.40.66.29.aacc
- 18:00:29 [Geoff]
- should we have separate DL for bugzilla notifications
- 18:01:20 [Geoff]
- none has supprted request
- 18:01:48 [Zakim]
- + +91.40.66.29.aaee
- 18:02:10 [Geoff]
- alternative send to public or member list ?
- 18:02:13 [Dug]
- zakim, who is talking?
- 18:02:24 [Zakim]
- Dug, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +91.40.66.29.aaee (81%), ??P4 (59%)
- 18:02:59 [Geoff]
- should go to public list rather than member list
- 18:03:02 [Zakim]
- - +1.908.696.aadd
- 18:03:36 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 18:04:21 [Geoff]
- separate mail list would reduce volume
- 18:04:52 [Geoff]
- any objections to separate mail list for bugzilla?
- 18:04:58 [Geoff]
- none heard
- 18:05:10 [Ashok]
- Bad hum on the line. I'll hang up and redial
- 18:05:14 [Zakim]
- -Ashok_Malhotra
- 18:05:18 [Geoff]
- ACTION: Yves - generate separate public bugzilla mail list
- 18:05:36 [Geoff]
- ACTION: Bob - put link on public page to bugzilla mail list
- 18:05:56 [Zakim]
- -??P4
- 18:06:31 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 18:06:48 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 18:07:45 [Geoff]
- Is there a need for someone to be responsible for issues list?
- 18:07:56 [Geoff]
- asir - normally distributed
- 18:09:21 [Geoff]
- chair owns some functions closing recording
- 18:10:19 [Geoff]
- is there a write up available - on WS-Policy home page
- 18:10:51 [Geoff]
- any objections using WS-Policy
- 18:11:17 [Geoff]
- ACTION: Yves to look at and use WS-Policy issue policy
- 18:11:24 [Zakim]
- +Ashok_Malhotra
- 18:15:08 [Geoff]
- TOPIC: Meeting Times
- 18:18:45 [asir]
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- 18:18:48 [gpilz]
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- 18:19:15 [Geoff]
- 13:30 - 2pm PT seems free
- 18:19:22 [Geoff]
- s/13/12/
- 18:20:05 [Geoff]
- to be complete: weekly - Tuesday 12:30 - 2pm PT
- 18:21:19 [Geoff]
- two calls per week, or separate time for testing
- 18:22:33 [Geoff]
- only one meeting per week - will revisit if required
- 18:23:16 [Geoff]
- ACTION: Yves - to setup meeting times and con calls
- 18:23:54 [Geoff]
- take 15 minute break
- 18:23:59 [Zakim]
- -Ashok_Malhotra
- 18:28:00 [Yves]
- bugzilla is created, see http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=WS-Resource+Access&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_wh
- 18:35:39 [jacques]
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- 18:37:28 [Geoff]
- TOPIC: F2F schedule
- 18:39:12 [Dug]
- don't we need a meeting in Hawaii ?
- 18:39:19 [Geoff]
- 2 WC, 2 EC, 1 Europe - meetings
- 18:39:41 [Geoff]
- Syndey would be nice too
- 18:39:45 [Dug]
- +1!
- 18:40:18 [Dug]
- did msft just volunteer?
- 18:41:09 [Geoff]
- IBM Europe has volunteered
- 18:41:18 [Geoff]
- but not on the date in July
- 18:46:57 [Geoff]
- Yves may not be able to attend all meetings
- 18:48:18 [Zakim]
- +Ashok_Malhotra
- 18:49:52 [Zakim]
- - +1.571.262.aaaa
- 18:57:33 [Geoff]
- Proposal March, June, Sept?
- 18:59:22 [Ashok]
- What dates are being proposed for March?
- 18:59:44 [Geoff]
- 1st Week of March
- 19:00:08 [Ashok]
- I may have a problem Ist week of week
- 19:00:38 [Geoff]
- week of June 9th?
- 19:01:16 [Geoff]
- aggreed on week of Jun 9th
- 19:02:27 [Geoff]
- week of March 10th?
- 19:02:42 [Geoff]
- agreed March 10-12
- 19:03:19 [Geoff]
- now september
- 19:04:30 [Geoff]
- week of September 1st?
- 19:05:13 [Zakim]
- - +91.40.66.29.aaee
- 19:05:23 [Geoff]
- current agreement
- 19:05:32 [Geoff]
- F2F meetings:
- 19:05:53 [Geoff]
- March 10 - 12
- 19:06:02 [Geoff]
- June 9-11
- 19:06:07 [Geoff]
- september 103
- 19:06:13 [Geoff]
- March - East Coast
- 19:06:18 [Geoff]
- June West Coast
- 19:06:20 [Yves]
- s/103/1-3/
- 19:06:59 [Geoff]
- Where for September? Europe tentative
- 19:07:13 [Geoff]
- Decide September venue by June 1
- 19:07:32 [Geoff]
- s/June/May/
- 19:09:18 [Geoff]
- June - tentative host is Oracle
- 19:09:50 [Geoff]
- March - tentative host IBM
- 19:11:29 [Geoff]
- TOPIC: Charter Review
- 19:12:41 [Geoff]
- Charter Schedule
- 19:13:54 [Geoff]
- LAst Call is currently April
- 19:14:51 [Geoff]
- CR is currently in June
- 19:16:20 [Geoff]
- specs have rep for running long
- 19:16:48 [Geoff]
- maybe useful to break them down and do on different schedule
- 19:17:29 [Geoff]
- would prefer not to force a priority to preclude discussion of other specs
- 19:18:16 [Geoff]
- first WD is just converting existing submission to W3C formet
- 19:29:11 [Geoff]
- Bob will attempt to canvas orgs to get feedback - will do this twice
- 19:29:56 [Geoff]
- if their are companies the group thinks should be on that list please tell bob
- 19:30:51 [Geoff]
- send Bob email addresses of chair of orgs you think need to know
- 19:31:31 [Geoff]
- discussion on: "aligned with ISO 29361:2008 (WS-I BP 1.1). However, the Working Group should also consider conformance to the forthcoming profiles WS-I is finalizing assuming they achieve WS-I "Final Material" status before the Working Group completes its deliverables
- 19:32:29 [Geoff]
- does aligned mean "does not conflict with"
- 19:33:05 [Geoff]
- Avaya: we need to be more flexible than that
- 19:35:11 [Geoff]
- how can we align and use SOAP 1.2, etc
- 19:37:05 [Geoff]
- using BP defined versions of WSDL 1.1 and SOAP 1.1
- 19:37:46 [Geoff]
- does BP compose with Addressing?
- 19:37:51 [Geoff]
- What does compose me?
- 19:39:50 [gpilz]
- q+
- 19:40:55 [Dug]
- s/me?/mean?/
- 19:40:56 [Geoff]
- should deal with this on an isue by issue basis
- 19:41:40 [Geoff]
- allow participants to open up issues on BP
- 19:41:56 [prasad]
- BP1.1: R9980 An ENVELOPE MUST conform to the structure specified in SOAP 1.1 Section 4, "SOAP Envelope" (subject to amendment by the Profile).
- 19:42:01 [Bob]
- q?
- 19:42:08 [Bob]
- ack gpi
- 19:43:29 [Geoff]
- need to keep on eye on what BP 1.2 and 2.0 is doing even if profiles are not ready
- 19:44:17 [Dug]
- q+
- 19:44:59 [asir]
- q+
- 19:45:46 [gpilz]
- q+
- 19:47:37 [Bob]
- ack gpi
- 19:48:52 [Geoff]
- let's avoid the hypothetical discussion
- 19:49:01 [Geoff]
- any BP issue is fair game for discussion
- 19:50:37 [Geoff]
- break for lunch
- 19:50:47 [Geoff]
- till 1pm PT
- 19:50:57 [Zakim]
- -Ashok_Malhotra
- 19:51:09 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 19:51:22 [Zakim]
- -IBM_Conference_Room
- 19:51:23 [Zakim]
- WS_WSRA()11:00AM has ended
- 19:51:24 [Zakim]
- Attendees were +1.571.262.aaaa, +91.40.66.29.aabb, +91.40.66.29.aacc, [Microsoft], +1.908.696.aadd, Ashok_Malhotra, +91.40.66.29.aaee, IBM_Conference_Room
- 20:59:33 [Zakim]
- WS_WSRA()11:00AM has now started
- 20:59:40 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 21:05:18 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 21:05:21 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 21:05:23 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 21:08:37 [Zakim]
- +Ashok_Malhotra
- 21:10:26 [dug_]
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- 21:11:40 [Yves]
- presentations are here: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/9/01/
- 21:13:09 [dug]
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- 21:13:25 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/9/01/WS-RA-presentation.pptx
- 21:13:35 [dug]
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- 21:14:42 [dug]
- ?help
- 21:15:37 [jacques]
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- 21:30:16 [dug]
- testing
- 21:55:13 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 22:14:27 [Zakim]
- -Ashok_Malhotra
- 22:27:26 [Zakim]
- +Ashok_Malhotra
- 22:27:28 [Zakim]
- -Ashok_Malhotra
- 22:27:28 [Zakim]
- +Ashok_Malhotra
- 22:32:36 [Geoff]
- The ball is in the TAG's court - this group will wait for issues to arise associated with "nakeg get" or other issues.
- 22:32:58 [Geoff]
- s/nakeg/naked/
- 22:51:50 [jacques]
- jacques has joined #ws-ra
- 23:08:33 [Zakim]
- -Ashok_Malhotra
- 23:11:08 [Bob]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 23:11:08 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P1
- 23:13:09 [dug]
- pong
- 23:18:38 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 23:18:39 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 23:18:39 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 23:20:10 [prasad]
- zakim, who is here?
- 23:20:10 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P1, [Microsoft]
- 23:20:11 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see jacques, dug, gpilz, asir, jeffm, prasad, RRSAgent, Bob, Geoff, Zakim, GregC, Yves
- 23:20:22 [cgi-irc]
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- 23:22:20 [Geoff]
- Microsoft to file the three related issues that were mentioned in the MEX minutes presented by Asir
- 23:35:52 [Geoff]
- TOPIC: Editors
- 23:36:08 [Geoff]
- Katy volunteers: T, RT and MEX
- 23:36:50 [Geoff]
- Orcale confirms availability of conference cenetr to host F2F
- 23:37:14 [Geoff]
- s/Orcale/Oracle/
- 23:38:13 [Geoff]
- Should we have an editorial team, rather than editors for specs?
- 23:39:21 [Geoff]
- WU volunteers for Eventing
- 23:39:39 [Geoff]
- Doug will work on any except eventing
- 23:40:18 [Geoff]
- Editors: Katy, Doug, Ashok, Wu
- 23:40:27 [Geoff]
- Ashok volunteers for Mex
- 23:41:05 [Geoff]
- Primer: no one yet
- 23:42:02 [Geoff]
- Who will have implementations to test by the time of CR?
- 23:42:29 [Geoff]
- IBM: Mex
- 23:42:35 [Geoff]
- Oracle: Eventing
- 23:42:44 [Geoff]
- IBM: T, RT, Mex
- 23:42:56 [Geoff]
- Avaya: Eventing
- 23:43:51 [Geoff]
- Group needs answer as we approach LC
- 23:45:30 [Geoff]
- Should one person repesent editorial team?
- 23:46:31 [Geoff]
- rotating leadership?
- 23:49:01 [gpilz]
- This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
- 23:49:03 [gpilz]
- There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
- 23:49:04 [gpilz]
- Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
- 23:49:06 [gpilz]
- Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
- 23:49:07 [gpilz]
- Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
- 23:49:09 [gpilz]
- It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done
- 23:50:03 [Geoff]
- One person per spec to identify who is doing the work and making sure it is done
- 23:50:56 [Geoff]
- establish POC for each spec - let the editors chat and work it out.
- 23:52:18 [Geoff]
- let's start tomorrow morning with issues
- 23:54:31 [Geoff]
- please try to get your issues that are on the public mail list into bugzilla
- 23:55:42 [Geoff]
- for new issues, open bugzilla bugs directly
- 23:56:48 [asir]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/#issues
- 23:56:49 [dug]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=WS-Resource%20Access
- 23:57:08 [asir]
- Read the policy link for how to raise an issue
- 23:57:29 [asir]
- Yves will have the component and target values set
- 23:59:05 [Yves]
- components and target values=> DONE