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17:17:48 <Ashok> Pl. tell me when I should dial in
17:19:15 <Bob> ok, all dial in
17:20:10 <Geoff> zakim, who is there
17:20:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is there', Geoff
17:20:43 <Geoff> zakim, who is there?
17:20:43 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Geoff.
17:20:59 <Geoff> zakim, who is here?
17:20:59 <Zakim> sorry, Geoff, I don't know what conference this is
17:21:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Bob, Geoff, Vikas-SoftwareAG, Zakim, gregcarp, Ashok, Dug-web, GregC, Dug, Yves
17:21:03 <Ashok> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:21:03 <Zakim> sorry, Ashok, I don't know what conference this is
17:21:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Bob, Geoff, Vikas-SoftwareAG, Zakim, gregcarp, Ashok, Dug-web, GregC, Dug, Yves
17:21:07 <Bob> zakim, who is on the pjone?
17:21:11 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Bob.
17:21:38 <Bob> zakim, this will be WS_WSRA
17:21:38 <Zakim> ok, Bob, I see WS_WSRA()11:00AM already started
17:22:44 <Vikas-SoftwareAG> I have also dialed-in on phone.
17:22:46 <Bob> rrsagent, pointer?
17:22:46 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-ws-ra-irc#T17-22-46
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17:38:08 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'help'
17:39:31 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ (for tracker help)
17:39:55 <Bob> scribenick: Geoff
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17:51:12 <Geoff> TOPIC: Mailing lists
17:51:27 <Geoff> member list used for phone numbers and addresses etc
17:51:38 <Geoff> technical discussion on public list
17:52:55 <Geoff> ACTION: Yves - take care of editors mailing list
17:53:18 <Geoff> Editors list should be public
17:54:24 <Geoff> conference call #'s for India?
17:54:34 <Geoff> vonage - doesn;t have number in India
17:55:44 <Geoff> s/does;t/unfortunately doen't
17:57:04 <Geoff> recommend we use tracker for maintaining action items
17:57:28 <Geoff> TOPIC: Issue lists
17:57:58 <Geoff> tracker or bugzilla?
17:58:36 <Geoff> ashok recommends bugzilla
17:58:46 <Geoff> asir supports this
17:59:14 <Geoff> we have consensus to use bugzilla
17:59:35 <Geoff> ACTION: Yves - set up bugzilla
18:00:15 <Zakim> - +91.40.66.29.aacc
18:00:29 <Geoff> should we have separate DL for bugzilla notifications
18:01:20 <Geoff> none has supprted request
18:01:48 <Zakim> + +91.40.66.29.aaee
18:02:10 <Geoff> alternative send to public or member list ?
18:02:13 <Dug> zakim, who is talking?
18:02:24 <Zakim> Dug, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +91.40.66.29.aaee (81%), ??P4 (59%)
18:02:59 <Geoff> should go to public list rather than member list
18:03:02 <Zakim> - +1.908.696.aadd
18:03:36 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
18:04:21 <Geoff> separate mail list would reduce volume
18:04:52 <Geoff> any objections to separate mail list for bugzilla?
18:04:58 <Geoff> none heard
18:05:10 <Ashok> Bad hum on the line.   I'll hang up and redial
18:05:14 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
18:05:18 <Geoff> ACTION: Yves - generate separate public bugzilla mail list
18:05:36 <Geoff> ACTION: Bob - put link on public page to bugzilla mail list
18:05:56 <Zakim> -??P4
18:06:31 <Zakim> +??P2
18:06:48 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:07:45 <Geoff> Is there a need for someone to be responsible for issues list?
18:07:56 <Geoff> asir - normally distributed
18:09:21 <Geoff> chair owns some functions closing recording
18:10:19 <Geoff> is there a write up available - on WS-Policy home page
18:10:51 <Geoff> any objections using WS-Policy
18:11:17 <Geoff> ACTION: Yves to look at and use WS-Policy issue policy
18:11:24 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
18:15:08 <Geoff> TOPIC: Meeting Times
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18:19:15 <Geoff> 13:30 - 2pm PT seems free
18:19:22 <Geoff> s/13/12/
18:20:05 <Geoff> to be complete: weekly - Tuesday 12:30 - 2pm PT 
18:21:19 <Geoff> two calls per week, or separate time for testing
18:22:33 <Geoff> only one meeting per week - will revisit if required
18:23:16 <Geoff> ACTION: Yves - to setup meeting times and con calls
18:23:54 <Geoff> take 15 minute break
18:23:59 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
18:28:00 <Yves> bugzilla is created, see http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=WS-Resource+Access&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_wh
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18:37:28 <Geoff> TOPIC: F2F schedule
18:39:12 <Dug> don't we need a meeting in Hawaii ?
18:39:19 <Geoff> 2 WC, 2 EC, 1 Europe - meetings
18:39:41 <Geoff> Syndey would be nice too
18:39:45 <Dug> +1!
18:40:18 <Dug> did msft just volunteer?
18:41:09 <Geoff> IBM Europe has volunteered
18:41:18 <Geoff> but not on the date in July
18:46:57 <Geoff> Yves may not be able to attend all meetings
18:48:18 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
18:49:52 <Zakim> - +1.571.262.aaaa
18:57:33 <Geoff> Proposal March, June, Sept?
18:59:22 <Ashok> What dates are being proposed for March?
18:59:44 <Geoff> 1st Week of March
19:00:08 <Ashok> I may have a problem Ist week of week
19:00:38 <Geoff> week of June 9th?
19:01:16 <Geoff> aggreed on week of Jun 9th
19:02:27 <Geoff> week of March 10th?
19:02:42 <Geoff> agreed March 10-12
19:03:19 <Geoff> now september
19:04:30 <Geoff> week of September 1st?
19:05:13 <Zakim> - +91.40.66.29.aaee
19:05:23 <Geoff> current agreement
19:05:32 <Geoff> F2F meetings:
19:05:53 <Geoff> March 10 - 12
19:06:02 <Geoff> June 9-11
19:06:07 <Geoff> september 103
19:06:13 <Geoff> March - East Coast
19:06:18 <Geoff> June West Coast
19:06:20 <Yves> s/103/1-3/
19:06:59 <Geoff> Where for September?  Europe tentative
19:07:13 <Geoff> Decide September venue by June 1
19:07:32 <Geoff> s/June/May/
19:09:18 <Geoff> June - tentative host is Oracle
19:09:50 <Geoff> March - tentative host IBM 
19:11:29 <Geoff> TOPIC: Charter Review
19:12:41 <Geoff> Charter Schedule
19:13:54 <Geoff> LAst Call is currently April
19:14:51 <Geoff> CR is currently in June
19:16:20 <Geoff> specs have rep for running long
19:16:48 <Geoff> maybe useful to break them down and do on different schedule
19:17:29 <Geoff> would prefer not to force a priority to preclude discussion of other specs
19:18:16 <Geoff> first WD is just converting existing submission to W3C formet
19:29:11 <Geoff> Bob will attempt to canvas orgs to get feedback - will do this twice
19:29:56 <Geoff> if their are companies the group thinks should be on that list please tell bob
19:30:51 <Geoff> send Bob email addresses of chair of orgs you think need to know
19:31:31 <Geoff> discussion on: "aligned with ISO 29361:2008 (WS-I BP 1.1). However, the Working Group should also consider conformance to the forthcoming profiles WS-I is finalizing assuming they achieve WS-I "Final Material" status before the Working Group completes its deliverables
19:32:29 <Geoff> does aligned mean "does not conflict with"
19:33:05 <Geoff> Avaya: we need to be more flexible than that
19:35:11 <Geoff> how can we align and use SOAP 1.2, etc
19:37:05 <Geoff> using BP defined versions of WSDL 1.1 and SOAP 1.1
19:37:46 <Geoff> does BP compose with Addressing?
19:37:51 <Geoff> What does compose me?
19:39:50 <gpilz> q+
19:40:55 <Dug> s/me?/mean?/
19:40:56 <Geoff> should deal with this on an isue by issue basis
19:41:40 <Geoff> allow participants to open up issues on BP
19:41:56 <prasad> BP1.1: R9980  An ENVELOPE MUST conform to the structure specified in SOAP 1.1 Section 4, "SOAP Envelope" (subject to amendment by the Profile).
19:42:01 <Bob> q?
19:42:08 <Bob> ack gpi
19:43:29 <Geoff> need to keep on eye on what BP 1.2 and 2.0 is doing even if profiles are not ready
19:44:17 <Dug> q+
19:44:59 <asir> q+
19:45:46 <gpilz> q+
19:47:37 <Bob> ack gpi
19:48:52 <Geoff> let's avoid the hypothetical discussion
19:49:01 <Geoff> any BP issue is fair game for discussion
19:50:37 <Geoff> break for lunch
19:50:47 <Geoff> till 1pm PT
19:50:57 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
19:51:09 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
19:51:22 <Zakim> -IBM_Conference_Room
19:51:23 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()11:00AM has ended
19:51:24 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.571.262.aaaa, +91.40.66.29.aabb, +91.40.66.29.aacc, [Microsoft], +1.908.696.aadd, Ashok_Malhotra, +91.40.66.29.aaee, IBM_Conference_Room
20:59:33 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()11:00AM has now started
20:59:40 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
21:05:18 <Zakim> +??P1
21:05:21 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:05:23 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
21:08:37 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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21:11:40 <Yves> presentations are here: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/9/01/
21:13:09 <dug> dug has joined #ws-ra
21:13:25 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/9/01/WS-RA-presentation.pptx
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21:14:42 <dug> ?help
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21:30:16 <dug> testing
21:55:13 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
22:14:27 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
22:27:26 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
22:27:28 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
22:27:28 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
22:32:36 <Geoff> The ball is in the TAG's court - this group will wait for issues to arise associated with "nakeg get" or other issues.
22:32:58 <Geoff> s/nakeg/naked/
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23:08:33 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
23:11:08 <Bob> zakim, who is on the phone?
23:11:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1
23:13:09 <dug> pong
23:18:38 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
23:18:39 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
23:18:39 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
23:20:10 <prasad> zakim, who is here?
23:20:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, [Microsoft]
23:20:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see jacques, dug, gpilz, asir, jeffm, prasad, RRSAgent, Bob, Geoff, Zakim, GregC, Yves
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23:22:20 <Geoff> Microsoft to file the three related issues that were mentioned in the MEX minutes presented by Asir
23:35:52 <Geoff> TOPIC: Editors
23:36:08 <Geoff> Katy volunteers: T, RT and MEX
23:36:50 <Geoff> Orcale confirms availability of conference cenetr to host F2F
23:37:14 <Geoff> s/Orcale/Oracle/
23:38:13 <Geoff> Should we have an editorial team, rather than editors for specs?
23:39:21 <Geoff> WU volunteers for Eventing
23:39:39 <Geoff> Doug will work on any except eventing
23:40:18 <Geoff> Editors: Katy, Doug, Ashok, Wu
23:40:27 <Geoff> Ashok volunteers for Mex
23:41:05 <Geoff> Primer: no one yet
23:42:02 <Geoff> Who will have implementations to test by the time of CR?
23:42:29 <Geoff> IBM: Mex
23:42:35 <Geoff> Oracle: Eventing
23:42:44 <Geoff> IBM: T, RT, Mex
23:42:56 <Geoff> Avaya: Eventing
23:43:51 <Geoff> Group needs answer as we approach LC
23:45:30 <Geoff> Should one person repesent editorial team?
23:46:31 <Geoff> rotating leadership?
23:49:01 <gpilz> This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
23:49:03 <gpilz> There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
23:49:04 <gpilz> Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
23:49:06 <gpilz> Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
23:49:07 <gpilz> Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
23:49:09 <gpilz> It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done 
23:50:03 <Geoff> One person per spec to identify who is doing the work and making sure it is done
23:50:56 <Geoff> establish POC for each spec - let the editors chat and work it out.
23:52:18 <Geoff> let's start tomorrow morning with issues
23:54:31 <Geoff> please try to get your issues that are on the public mail list into bugzilla
23:55:42 <Geoff> for new issues, open bugzilla bugs directly
23:56:48 <asir> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/#issues
23:56:49 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=WS-Resource%20Access
23:57:08 <asir> Read the policy link for how to raise an issue
23:57:29 <asir> Yves will have the component and target values set
23:59:05 <Yves> components and target values=> DONE