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16:56:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SJMS
16:56:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
16:56:50 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
16:56:50 <trackbot> Date: 13 January 2009
16:57:04 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jan/0009.html
16:57:10 <Roland> Chair: Roland
16:57:23 <Roland> Regrets: Mark
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16:59:21 <Roland> Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
16:59:21 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
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17:06:47 <peaston> Scribe:peaston
17:06:57 <peaston> Topic:Outstanding actions
17:07:11 <Roland> Scribe: Peaston
17:07:24 <peaston> scribetopic: outstanding actions
17:07:44 <peaston> topic: outstanding actions
17:07:46 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/open
17:07:49 <peaston> chair: roland
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17:10:43 <peaston> Need to see Yves wrt act 55 because of last call status revisit next week
17:11:55 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/wiki/2008-09_FAQ
17:13:35 <peaston> topic: URI Spec
17:14:36 <peaston> eric: Cisco employee awaiting email internally
17:15:31 <peaston> topic: last call review comments from TSG
17:16:17 <peaston> give this a week for responses to be made
17:17:02 <peaston> awaiting from Oracle, SDA input on spec
17:17:44 <peaston> topic: review testing and Dereks email re property test
17:17:50 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jan/0007.html
17:18:36 <peaston> derek: have spec and a testing question
17:18:59 <peaston> action: derek to raise spec question independently after call
17:19:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Raise spec question independently after call [on Derek Rokicki - due 2009-01-20].
17:20:59 <peaston> derek: should we be testing the how or source of the message property wsdl uir etc
17:21:17 <peaston> s/uir/uri/
17:21:47 <peaston> derek: how do we test the precedence rules?
17:24:09 <peaston> eric: we should not have individual tests try and accomplish multiple properties in one test
17:26:08 <peaston> roland: I think we need specific tests
17:27:10 <peaston> phil: true individual test cases but not necessarity individual tests
17:29:37 <peaston> roland: criteria is to provide a test suite to validate assertions
17:30:04 <peaston> phil: do we need a concrete suite
17:32:08 <peaston> eric: first priority is to ensure testability of all assertions also smaller test collateral is better
17:32:32 <peaston> eric: value also to test individual failed tests
17:33:48 <peaston> eric: but don't get too specific e.g. JAXWS might not be the environment
17:34:49 <peaston> eric: no value in massive number of tests 
17:35:16 <peaston> roland: no rules for this on W3C
17:36:15 <peaston> roland: stick to goal can we test all the assertions
17:37:46 <peaston> derek: ok consensus is that fewer physical tests is better
17:39:10 <peaston> derek: do we have to spell whole WSDL or just shell
17:39:43 <peaston> eric: keep all WSDL tests in one section
17:40:01 <peaston> roland: yes because of conformance groupings
17:45:03 <peaston> roland: perhaps an aspect approach e.g. WSDL conformance needs tests x,y,z
17:46:25 <peaston> topic: delivery mode issue
17:47:32 <peaston> property name for non persistent is incorrect or inconsistent propose NON_PERSISTENT i.e. underscore present
17:48:53 <peaston> topic: AOB?
17:49:13 <peaston> eric: time frame for approval ?
17:49:26 <eric> s/eric/phil/
17:50:11 <peaston> amy: rules of thumb are 3 months between cr,pr etc
17:50:24 <peaston> roland: we need implementations
17:51:24 <peaston> I have lost my phone !!!
17:51:53 <Roland> thats all f9olks
17:51:57 <Zakim> -eric
17:51:58 <peaston> bye all
17:51:58 <Zakim> -Phil
17:51:59 <Zakim> -Derek
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17:52:11 <Zakim> WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended
17:52:12 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.919.663.aaaa, Roland, alewis, +1.512.286.aabb, Derek, Peter_Easton, eric, Phil
17:52:27 <peaston> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:52:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-soap-jms-minutes.html peaston
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