IRC log of soap-jms on 2009-01-13

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be SJMS
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 13 January 2009
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Chair: Roland
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Regrets: Mark
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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has now started
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+ +1.919.663.aaaa
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Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
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+Roland; got it
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Topic:Outstanding actions
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Scribe: Peaston
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scribetopic: outstanding actions
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topic: outstanding actions
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chair: roland
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17:10:43 [peaston]
Need to see Yves wrt act 55 because of last call status revisit next week
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17:13:35 [peaston]
topic: URI Spec
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eric: Cisco employee awaiting email internally
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topic: last call review comments from TSG
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give this a week for responses to be made
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awaiting from Oracle, SDA input on spec
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topic: review testing and Dereks email re property test
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17:18:36 [peaston]
derek: have spec and a testing question
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action: derek to raise spec question independently after call
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Created ACTION-57 - Raise spec question independently after call [on Derek Rokicki - due 2009-01-20].
17:20:59 [peaston]
derek: should we be testing the how or source of the message property wsdl uir etc
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derek: how do we test the precedence rules?
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eric: we should not have individual tests try and accomplish multiple properties in one test
17:26:08 [peaston]
roland: I think we need specific tests
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phil: true individual test cases but not necessarity individual tests
17:29:37 [peaston]
roland: criteria is to provide a test suite to validate assertions
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phil: do we need a concrete suite
17:32:08 [peaston]
eric: first priority is to ensure testability of all assertions also smaller test collateral is better
17:32:32 [peaston]
eric: value also to test individual failed tests
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eric: but don't get too specific e.g. JAXWS might not be the environment
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eric: no value in massive number of tests
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roland: no rules for this on W3C
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roland: stick to goal can we test all the assertions
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derek: ok consensus is that fewer physical tests is better
17:39:10 [peaston]
derek: do we have to spell whole WSDL or just shell
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eric: keep all WSDL tests in one section
17:40:01 [peaston]
roland: yes because of conformance groupings
17:45:03 [peaston]
roland: perhaps an aspect approach e.g. WSDL conformance needs tests x,y,z
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topic: delivery mode issue
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property name for non persistent is incorrect or inconsistent propose NON_PERSISTENT i.e. underscore present
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topic: AOB?
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eric: time frame for approval ?
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amy: rules of thumb are 3 months between cr,pr etc
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roland: we need implementations
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I have lost my phone !!!
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thats all f9olks
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bye all
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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.919.663.aaaa, Roland, alewis, +1.512.286.aabb, Derek, Peter_Easton, eric, Phil
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate peaston
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