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12:44:59 <fsasaki> meeting: MAWG
12:45:03 <fsasaki> chair: Thierry
12:45:21 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0017.html
12:45:44 <fsasaki> regrets: erik, werner
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12:49:33 <pchampin> hi
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12:51:19 <tmichel> Hello
12:51:29 <tmichel> we have regrets from werner and erik
12:51:43 <tmichel> let me dial in 
12:52:15 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has now started
12:52:17 <Zakim> +Thierry
12:53:05 <Zakim> +Felix
12:54:03 <Zakim> + +95177aaaa
12:54:12 <pchampin> that's me
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12:54:54 <fsasaki> present: thierry, joakim, tobias, victor, werner, wonsuk, felix
12:54:56 <Zakim> +??P4
12:55:00 <tmichel> Felix can you hear me on zakim ?
12:55:13 <fsasaki> present+ pchampin
12:55:17 <tobiasb> Zakim, ??P4 is me
12:55:17 <Zakim> +tobiasb; got it
12:55:25 <Zakim> +??P5
12:57:05 <Zakim> -Felix
12:57:09 <Zakim> +Felix
12:57:22 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.17.aabb
12:57:55 <Zakim> +??P2
12:57:59 <joakim> zakim, 46.1.07.17aabb is me
12:57:59 <Zakim> sorry, joakim, I do not recognize a party named '46.1.07.17aabb'
13:00:02 <frank> frank has joined #mediaann
13:00:10 <fsasaki> present+ frank
13:00:25 <fsasaki> topic: w3c track
13:00:30 <VeroniqueM> VeroniqueM has joined #mediaann
13:00:41 <fsasaki> thierry explains various steps (FPWD etc.) of w3c process
13:00:45 <fsasaki> present+ veronique
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13:01:40 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
13:01:53 <fsasaki> present+ davy
13:02:01 <Zakim> +[VrijeUni]
13:02:47 <Zakim> + +31.20.525.aacc
13:03:06 <fsasaki> example of a test suite: http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
13:04:31 <Zakim> +??P13
13:05:10 <fsasaki> agenda is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0017.html
13:05:37 <fsasaki> minutes from previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-minutes.html approved
13:06:15 <frank> I can do the next next
13:06:37 <fsasaki> scribe volunteer Pierre-Antoine
13:07:13 <fsasaki> Pierre-Antoine scribe 20.1. 2009, frank scribe 27.1. 2009
13:07:27 <fsasaki> Schedule for the next call on 20.1. 2009 (now every Tuesday, 13:00 UTC)
13:07:48 <fsasaki> topic: action items
13:07:52 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
13:08:49 <fsasaki> close ACTION-20
13:08:49 <trackbot> ACTION-20 Add a link from WG page to the "still alive" MMSEM wiki pages and to make sure that everybody can edit the pages closed
13:09:03 <fsasaki> action 43 is pending
13:09:03 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 43
13:09:21 <fsasaki> AI 44 pending
13:09:30 <fsasaki> s/pending/done/
13:09:55 <fsasaki> frank: went through requirements document, took use cases explained, checked if xmp:history can be applied
13:10:09 <fsasaki> .. xmp:history looks useful, we should use it
13:10:21 <fsasaki> close ACTION-44
13:10:21 <trackbot> ACTION-44 Check if xmp:history is applicable for the current use cases closed
13:10:30 <fsasaki> close ACTION-45
13:10:30 <trackbot> ACTION-45 Look at how sony ericsson uses xmp closed
13:10:40 <fsasaki> joakim: sent a mail about this to the list
13:10:58 <fsasaki> close ACTION-46
13:10:58 <trackbot> ACTION-46 Bother Eric so that he gives AI to Chris about the metadata model from IBBT closed
13:11:05 <fsasaki> felix: done, chris sent a mail to the list about the model
13:11:31 <fsasaki> AI 47 ongoing
13:11:40 <fsasaki> close ACTION-48
13:11:40 <trackbot> ACTION-48 Send pointer to media fragments WG for review of uc&req doc, when it is ready closed
13:11:58 <fsasaki> AI 49 ongoing
13:12:09 <fsasaki> felix: sent mail to larry masinter, no response yet
13:12:20 <fsasaki> ACTION-51
13:12:37 <fsasaki> drawing is at http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
13:13:05 <fsasaki> close ACTION-53
13:13:05 <trackbot> ACTION-53 Revise the introduction, using material from the "video" UC section closed
13:13:27 <fsasaki> close ACTION-51
13:13:27 <trackbot> ACTION-51 Make a drawing to make clear what we are not doing closed
13:13:40 <fsasaki> AI 54 pending
13:13:47 <fsasaki> AI 55 pending
13:14:01 <fsasaki> close ACTION-57
13:14:01 <trackbot> ACTION-57 Check with plh how he wants us to move the requirements document forward closed
13:14:19 <fsasaki> close ACTION-58
13:14:19 <trackbot> ACTION-58 Add the issue of returning String/URI value as an additional requirement closed
13:14:44 <fsasaki> AI 59
13:14:51 <fsasaki> joakim: sent a mail about this
13:15:14 <fsasaki> thierry: let's leave it open, try to have more discussion until next week
13:15:20 <fsasaki> close ACTION-60
13:15:20 <trackbot> ACTION-60 Ask Chris about the question of heterogeneous return values closed
13:15:25 <fsasaki> close ACTION-61
13:15:25 <trackbot> ACTION-61 Request short URI for the requirements document closed
13:15:40 <fsasaki> ACTION-63
13:15:44 <fsasaki> close ACTION-63
13:15:44 <trackbot> ACTION-63 Formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group closed
13:16:21 <fsasaki> victor: formally it has been done, informally I will report at next MPEG meeting about our groups activities, within the next weeks
13:16:38 <fsasaki> .. will ask you to take a look at the presentation before
13:16:48 <fsasaki> thierry: please send to the group for review
13:17:08 <fsasaki> topic: schedule for UC & Req doc
13:17:35 <fsasaki> thierry: thanks to felix for providing the document, it's now frozen
13:17:44 <fsasaki> .. we are now going to ask for formal publication on TR page
13:18:59 <fsasaki> .. publication is planned for jan 19th
13:19:11 <fsasaki> .. Any Objection to request Transition of the document to FPWD ?
13:19:27 <fsasaki> thierry: no objections
13:19:42 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: Working Groups agrees to move document to FPWD, no objections
13:19:50 <fsasaki> rrsagent, where am I?
13:19:50 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-irc#T13-19-50
13:20:37 <fsasaki> thierry: please do not advertise URI of document before publication on Monday
13:20:47 <fsasaki> topic: future of req & use cases doc
13:20:49 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html 
13:21:50 <fsasaki> thierry: we should publish LC version of this doc in march, might be doable
13:22:10 <fsasaki> .. we may or may not get feedback on UC & req document, the LC draft will give more feedback
13:22:25 <fsasaki> .. for LC in march, we have 1-1/2 months for revising the document
13:23:04 <fsasaki> werner: if we get feedback on document and revise a section, what will happen?
13:23:19 <fsasaki> .. so after publication on Monday we can adapt it any time?
13:23:43 <fsasaki> thierry: we can update the internal WD, and in March we will say we publish a LC version and ask other WGs for review
13:24:40 <fsasaki> .. after LC of the req & use case LC draft, we wil publish the req & use case document as a "working Group note"
13:27:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
13:28:53 <fsasaki> s/regrets: erik, werner/regrets: erik/
13:28:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
13:29:18 <fsasaki> thierry: we have worked on uc & req doc, we now need to think about ontology and API doc
13:30:14 <fsasaki> joakim: schedule might be very optimistic
13:30:17 <fsasaki> felix: agree
13:30:47 <fsasaki> thierry: group is chartered until January 2010, we have another year
13:31:16 <fsasaki> .. if we don't fulfil milestones, at the end of the year we will request an extension, maybe 6 more months, depending on where we stand
13:32:27 <fsasaki> topic: mapping of formats
13:32:53 <tmichel> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table.htm
13:33:36 <fsasaki> joakim: took all properties we have identified as relevant from XMP review in one column in the excel table
13:33:45 <fsasaki> .. filled out the ID3 column
13:35:39 <fsasaki> thierry: what will be outcome of XMP / IDE mapping
13:36:50 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping
13:38:41 <fsasaki> joakim: sometimes properties were dublicated
13:38:53 <fsasaki> .. e.g. there are various date related properties
13:39:23 <fsasaki> .. e.g. in DC we have date, but other vocabularies make differences between createDate, dateChanged
13:39:34 <fsasaki> .. DC is more generi
13:39:40 <fsasaki> s/generi/generic/
13:39:54 <VeroniqueM> could we have a "transitivity" problem?
13:40:57 <VeroniqueM> if property A from voc A is "mapped" to property B from voc B, that is in turn mapped  to property C from another, what is the "mapping" status of A with respect to C?
13:40:58 <Victor> now :)
13:42:18 <pchampin> a simple solution to handle duplication would be to only support the most generic property
13:42:29 <VeroniqueM> agreed
13:42:30 <pchampin> but this may not be satisfactory for every duplicate property
13:42:38 <VeroniqueM> DC would be the interlingua?
13:43:30 <tmichel> I ammuted now ;-)
13:43:48 <tmichel> sorry about this buzz
13:44:45 <tmichel>  For CR exit criteria we need implementation for two mapping (two features)
13:45:27 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/
13:45:37 <tmichel> work implmentation driven. Ask people of the WG which aattribute they use
13:46:29 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/01/mapping.xsl
13:47:07 <tmichel> inputs XML and uses an XSL style sheet
13:48:31 <fsasaki> felix: propose to think from CR step: what functionalities are people ready to implement?
13:48:54 <fsasaki> thierry: agree. It is not good to define a lot of mappings if we will not implement them during CR
13:49:32 <fsasaki> .. problem of how to proceed with duplicate mappings
13:50:01 <tmichel> Tobias I can't hear you
13:50:15 <tobiasb> Probably I have a problem with the micro
13:50:25 <tobiasb> I started yesterday and will be ready with it next week!
13:50:43 <fsasaki> s/duplicate mappings/duplicate mappings, which joakim described/
13:50:57 <tmichel> Wonsuk ?
13:51:35 <fsasaki> going through formats and see when they be finished
13:51:42 <tmichel> TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week
13:52:01 <tobiasb> Same for SearchMonkey...did not start but will be ready next week
13:52:03 <fsasaki> action: wonsuk to finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week
13:52:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week [on WonSuk Lee - due 2009-01-20].
13:52:24 <fsasaki> action: Tobias to do searchmonkeymedia
13:52:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Do searchmonkeymedia [on Tobias Bürger - due 2009-01-20].
13:52:30 <tmichel> Jean Pierre
13:52:43 <fsasaki> action: jean-pierre to review tvanytime
13:52:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Review tvanytime [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2009-01-20].
13:52:56 <fsasaki> action: Jean-Pierre to review EBU
13:52:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Review EBU [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2009-01-20].
13:53:08 <fsasaki> action: Joakim to review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content specification 2.0
13:53:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content specification 2.0 [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-01-20].
13:53:19 <fsasaki> action: Jean-Pierre to review IPTC
13:53:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Review IPTC [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2009-01-20].
13:53:31 <fsasaki> action: Chris to review DIG35
13:53:31 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris
13:54:23 <fsasaki> action: Thierry to ask AC rep of IBBT to nominate Chris
13:54:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Ask AC rep of IBBT to nominate Chris [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-01-20].
13:54:55 <fsasaki> review of FRBR is done
13:55:16 <fsasaki> victor: review of FRBR is done
13:55:27 <fsasaki> action: victor to report on FRBR next week
13:55:27 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - victor
13:55:37 <fsasaki> action: Felix to review MIX
13:55:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Review MIX [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-01-20].
13:56:29 <Victor> Requirement r07 says "Introducing several abstraction levels in the ontology", mapping to FRBR is inmediate and easy. Next conference I can report more details if needed.
13:57:17 <fsasaki> MPEG-7
13:57:23 <fsasaki> frank: werner and I worked on it
13:57:30 <fsasaki> .. ongoing
13:57:39 <fsasaki> .. need more time
13:58:10 <tobiasb> MediaRDF: Alread y had a look; will provide information for mapping table by the deadline next week
13:58:12 <fsasaki> action: frank to review with werner MPEG-7 - due 2009-27-1
13:58:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - review with werner MPEG-7 [on Frank Nack - due 2011-03-01].
13:58:56 <fsasaki> action: werner to review SMPTE
13:58:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Review SMPTE [on Werner Bailer - due 2009-01-20].
13:59:07 <tobiasb> METS, LOM: Already had a look; will provide information for mapping table by the deadline next week
13:59:17 <fsasaki> action: tobias to review METS 
13:59:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Review METS  [on Tobias Bürger - due 2009-01-20].
13:59:40 <fsasaki> action: TOBIAS to review LOM
13:59:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Review LOM [on Tobias Bürger - due 2009-01-20].
14:00:12 <fsasaki> thierry: questions on mapping?
14:00:15 <fsasaki> topic: AOB
14:00:48 <fsasaki> joakim: API and ontology schedule, maybe need to talk about it at next meeting
14:01:22 <fsasaki> thierry: agree, need to talk about this next week
14:02:31 <fsasaki> regrets for next week: Felix traveling, thierry also (probably will join by phone)
14:02:35 <fsasaki> bye
14:02:37 <Zakim> -victor
14:02:39 <Zakim> - +31.20.525.aacc
14:02:39 <Zakim> -tobiasb
14:02:40 <Zakim> -veronique
14:02:41 <Zakim> -davy
14:02:42 <Zakim> -Felix
14:02:47 <VeroniqueM> exit
14:02:58 <Zakim> -wonsuk
14:03:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
14:03:07 <tmichel> rssagent, darft minutes
14:03:08 <Zakim> -pchampin
14:03:20 <tmichel> rssagent, draft minutes
14:03:20 <joakim> exit
14:03:30 <wonsuk> wonsuk has left #mediaann
14:03:30 <Zakim> -joakim
14:03:33 <tmichel> rssagent, make minutes
14:04:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
14:04:29 <Zakim> -Thierry
14:04:30 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
14:04:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Thierry, Felix, +95177aaaa, pchampin, tobiasb, wonsuk, +46.1.07.17.aabb, joakim, victor, [VrijeUni], veronique, +31.20.525.aacc, davy
14:04:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
14:05:23 <joakim> felix: after you sent the command to rrsagent, draft minutes
14:05:36 <fsasaki> yes
14:05:37 <joakim> do you manually edit the web pages to add a link?
14:05:46 <tmichel> felix, thanks for the minutes and scribing
14:05:52 <fsasaki> np
14:06:04 <fsasaki> rrsagent, stop logging
14:06:04 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop logging', fsasaki.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:06:08 <fsasaki> rrsagent, stop