IRC log of mediaann on 2009-01-13

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12:44:59 [fsasaki]
meeting: MAWG
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chair: Thierry
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0017.html
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regrets: erik, werner
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hi
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Hello
12:51:29 [tmichel]
we have regrets from werner and erik
12:51:43 [tmichel]
let me dial in
12:52:15 [Zakim]
IA_MAWG()8:00AM has now started
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+Thierry
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+Felix
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+ +95177aaaa
12:54:12 [pchampin]
that's me
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present: thierry, joakim, tobias, victor, werner, wonsuk, felix
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+??P4
12:55:00 [tmichel]
Felix can you hear me on zakim ?
12:55:13 [fsasaki]
present+ pchampin
12:55:17 [tobiasb]
Zakim, ??P4 is me
12:55:17 [Zakim]
+tobiasb; got it
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+??P5
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-Felix
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+Felix
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+ +46.1.07.17.aabb
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+??P2
12:57:59 [joakim]
zakim, 46.1.07.17aabb is me
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sorry, joakim, I do not recognize a party named '46.1.07.17aabb'
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present+ frank
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topic: w3c track
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thierry explains various steps (FPWD etc.) of w3c process
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present+ veronique
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scribe: fsasaki
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present+ davy
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+[VrijeUni]
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+ +31.20.525.aacc
13:03:06 [fsasaki]
example of a test suite: http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
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+??P13
13:05:10 [fsasaki]
agenda is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0017.html
13:05:37 [fsasaki]
minutes from previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-minutes.html approved
13:06:15 [frank]
I can do the next next
13:06:37 [fsasaki]
scribe volunteer Pierre-Antoine
13:07:13 [fsasaki]
Pierre-Antoine scribe 20.1. 2009, frank scribe 27.1. 2009
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Schedule for the next call on 20.1. 2009 (now every Tuesday, 13:00 UTC)
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topic: action items
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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
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close ACTION-20
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ACTION-20 Add a link from WG page to the "still alive" MMSEM wiki pages and to make sure that everybody can edit the pages closed
13:09:03 [fsasaki]
action 43 is pending
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Sorry, couldn't find user - 43
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AI 44 pending
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s/pending/done/
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frank: went through requirements document, took use cases explained, checked if xmp:history can be applied
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.. xmp:history looks useful, we should use it
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close ACTION-44
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ACTION-44 Check if xmp:history is applicable for the current use cases closed
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close ACTION-45
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ACTION-45 Look at how sony ericsson uses xmp closed
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joakim: sent a mail about this to the list
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close ACTION-46
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ACTION-46 Bother Eric so that he gives AI to Chris about the metadata model from IBBT closed
13:11:05 [fsasaki]
felix: done, chris sent a mail to the list about the model
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AI 47 ongoing
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close ACTION-48
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ACTION-48 Send pointer to media fragments WG for review of uc&req doc, when it is ready closed
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AI 49 ongoing
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felix: sent mail to larry masinter, no response yet
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ACTION-51
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drawing is at http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
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close ACTION-53
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ACTION-53 Revise the introduction, using material from the "video" UC section closed
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close ACTION-51
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ACTION-51 Make a drawing to make clear what we are not doing closed
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AI 54 pending
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AI 55 pending
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close ACTION-57
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ACTION-57 Check with plh how he wants us to move the requirements document forward closed
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close ACTION-58
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ACTION-58 Add the issue of returning String/URI value as an additional requirement closed
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AI 59
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joakim: sent a mail about this
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thierry: let's leave it open, try to have more discussion until next week
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close ACTION-60
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ACTION-60 Ask Chris about the question of heterogeneous return values closed
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close ACTION-61
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ACTION-61 Request short URI for the requirements document closed
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ACTION-63
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close ACTION-63
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ACTION-63 Formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group closed
13:16:21 [fsasaki]
victor: formally it has been done, informally I will report at next MPEG meeting about our groups activities, within the next weeks
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.. will ask you to take a look at the presentation before
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thierry: please send to the group for review
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topic: schedule for UC & Req doc
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thierry: thanks to felix for providing the document, it's now frozen
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.. we are now going to ask for formal publication on TR page
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.. publication is planned for jan 19th
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.. Any Objection to request Transition of the document to FPWD ?
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thierry: no objections
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RESOLUTION: Working Groups agrees to move document to FPWD, no objections
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rrsagent, where am I?
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See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-irc#T13-19-50
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thierry: please do not advertise URI of document before publication on Monday
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topic: future of req & use cases doc
13:20:49 [tmichel]
http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html
13:21:50 [fsasaki]
thierry: we should publish LC version of this doc in march, might be doable
13:22:10 [fsasaki]
.. we may or may not get feedback on UC & req document, the LC draft will give more feedback
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.. for LC in march, we have 1-1/2 months for revising the document
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werner: if we get feedback on document and revise a section, what will happen?
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.. so after publication on Monday we can adapt it any time?
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thierry: we can update the internal WD, and in March we will say we publish a LC version and ask other WGs for review
13:24:40 [fsasaki]
.. after LC of the req & use case LC draft, we wil publish the req & use case document as a "working Group note"
13:27:14 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
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s/regrets: erik, werner/regrets: erik/
13:28:57 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
13:29:18 [fsasaki]
thierry: we have worked on uc & req doc, we now need to think about ontology and API doc
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joakim: schedule might be very optimistic
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felix: agree
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thierry: group is chartered until January 2010, we have another year
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.. if we don't fulfil milestones, at the end of the year we will request an extension, maybe 6 more months, depending on where we stand
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topic: mapping of formats
13:32:53 [tmichel]
http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table.htm
13:33:36 [fsasaki]
joakim: took all properties we have identified as relevant from XMP review in one column in the excel table
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.. filled out the ID3 column
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thierry: what will be outcome of XMP / IDE mapping
13:36:50 [tmichel]
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping
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joakim: sometimes properties were dublicated
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.. e.g. there are various date related properties
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.. e.g. in DC we have date, but other vocabularies make differences between createDate, dateChanged
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.. DC is more generi
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s/generi/generic/
13:39:54 [VeroniqueM]
could we have a "transitivity" problem?
13:40:57 [VeroniqueM]
if property A from voc A is "mapped" to property B from voc B, that is in turn mapped to property C from another, what is the "mapping" status of A with respect to C?
13:40:58 [Victor]
now :)
13:42:18 [pchampin]
a simple solution to handle duplication would be to only support the most generic property
13:42:29 [VeroniqueM]
agreed
13:42:30 [pchampin]
but this may not be satisfactory for every duplicate property
13:42:38 [VeroniqueM]
DC would be the interlingua?
13:43:30 [tmichel]
I ammuted now ;-)
13:43:48 [tmichel]
sorry about this buzz
13:44:45 [tmichel]
For CR exit criteria we need implementation for two mapping (two features)
13:45:27 [fsasaki]
http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/
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http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/01/mapping.xsl
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inputs XML and uses an XSL style sheet
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felix: propose to think from CR step: what functionalities are people ready to implement?
13:48:54 [fsasaki]
thierry: agree. It is not good to define a lot of mappings if we will not implement them during CR
13:49:32 [fsasaki]
.. problem of how to proceed with duplicate mappings
13:50:01 [tmichel]
Tobias I can't hear you
13:50:15 [tobiasb]
Probably I have a problem with the micro
13:50:25 [tobiasb]
I started yesterday and will be ready with it next week!
13:50:43 [fsasaki]
s/duplicate mappings/duplicate mappings, which joakim described/
13:50:57 [tmichel]
Wonsuk ?
13:51:35 [fsasaki]
going through formats and see when they be finished
13:51:42 [tmichel]
TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week
13:52:01 [tobiasb]
Same for SearchMonkey...did not start but will be ready next week
13:52:03 [fsasaki]
action: wonsuk to finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week
13:52:04 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-65 - Finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week [on WonSuk Lee - due 2009-01-20].
13:52:24 [fsasaki]
action: Tobias to do searchmonkeymedia
13:52:24 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-66 - Do searchmonkeymedia [on Tobias Bürger - due 2009-01-20].
13:52:30 [tmichel]
Jean Pierre
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action: jean-pierre to review tvanytime
13:52:43 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-67 - Review tvanytime [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2009-01-20].
13:52:56 [fsasaki]
action: Jean-Pierre to review EBU
13:52:56 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-68 - Review EBU [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2009-01-20].
13:53:08 [fsasaki]
action: Joakim to review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content specification 2.0
13:53:08 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-69 - Review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content specification 2.0 [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-01-20].
13:53:19 [fsasaki]
action: Jean-Pierre to review IPTC
13:53:19 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-70 - Review IPTC [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2009-01-20].
13:53:31 [fsasaki]
action: Chris to review DIG35
13:53:31 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris
13:54:23 [fsasaki]
action: Thierry to ask AC rep of IBBT to nominate Chris
13:54:23 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-71 - Ask AC rep of IBBT to nominate Chris [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-01-20].
13:54:55 [fsasaki]
review of FRBR is done
13:55:16 [fsasaki]
victor: review of FRBR is done
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action: victor to report on FRBR next week
13:55:27 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - victor
13:55:37 [fsasaki]
action: Felix to review MIX
13:55:37 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-72 - Review MIX [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-01-20].
13:56:29 [Victor]
Requirement r07 says "Introducing several abstraction levels in the ontology", mapping to FRBR is inmediate and easy. Next conference I can report more details if needed.
13:57:17 [fsasaki]
MPEG-7
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frank: werner and I worked on it
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.. ongoing
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.. need more time
13:58:10 [tobiasb]
MediaRDF: Alread y had a look; will provide information for mapping table by the deadline next week
13:58:12 [fsasaki]
action: frank to review with werner MPEG-7 - due 2009-27-1
13:58:12 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-73 - review with werner MPEG-7 [on Frank Nack - due 2011-03-01].
13:58:56 [fsasaki]
action: werner to review SMPTE
13:58:56 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-74 - Review SMPTE [on Werner Bailer - due 2009-01-20].
13:59:07 [tobiasb]
METS, LOM: Already had a look; will provide information for mapping table by the deadline next week
13:59:17 [fsasaki]
action: tobias to review METS
13:59:17 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-75 - Review METS [on Tobias Bürger - due 2009-01-20].
13:59:40 [fsasaki]
action: TOBIAS to review LOM
13:59:40 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-76 - Review LOM [on Tobias Bürger - due 2009-01-20].
14:00:12 [fsasaki]
thierry: questions on mapping?
14:00:15 [fsasaki]
topic: AOB
14:00:48 [fsasaki]
joakim: API and ontology schedule, maybe need to talk about it at next meeting
14:01:22 [fsasaki]
thierry: agree, need to talk about this next week
14:02:31 [fsasaki]
regrets for next week: Felix traveling, thierry also (probably will join by phone)
14:02:35 [fsasaki]
bye
14:02:37 [Zakim]
-victor
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- +31.20.525.aacc
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-tobiasb
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-veronique
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-davy
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-Felix
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exit
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-wonsuk
14:03:03 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
14:03:07 [tmichel]
rssagent, darft minutes
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-pchampin
14:03:20 [tmichel]
rssagent, draft minutes
14:03:20 [joakim]
exit
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-joakim
14:03:33 [tmichel]
rssagent, make minutes
14:04:00 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
14:04:29 [Zakim]
-Thierry
14:04:30 [Zakim]
IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Thierry, Felix, +95177aaaa, pchampin, tobiasb, wonsuk, +46.1.07.17.aabb, joakim, victor, [VrijeUni], veronique, +31.20.525.aacc, davy
14:04:35 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
14:05:23 [joakim]
felix: after you sent the command to rrsagent, draft minutes
14:05:36 [fsasaki]
yes
14:05:37 [joakim]
do you manually edit the web pages to add a link?
14:05:46 [tmichel]
felix, thanks for the minutes and scribing
14:05:52 [fsasaki]
np
14:06:04 [fsasaki]
rrsagent, stop logging
14:06:04 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop logging', fsasaki. Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:06:08 [fsasaki]
rrsagent, stop