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15:29:29 <wiecha> Meeting: RWAB weekly telecon
15:29:34 <wiecha> Chair: Charlie Wiecha
15:30:38 <wiecha> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Jan/0013.html
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15:57:36 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:57:44 <wiecha> zakim, [ibm] is wiecha
15:57:44 <Zakim> +wiecha; got it
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15:59:31 <oedipus> good morning, charlie -- i will be on IRC only for a while while i try to get my computer speaking properly with a sighted assistant, so i can't offer to scribe today
15:59:43 <oedipus> i will try and call in when and if possible
15:59:51 <wiecha> ok, thx
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16:00:48 <Zakim> -wiecha
16:00:50 <Zakim> +wiecha
16:01:39 <wiecha> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Jan/0013.html
16:01:51 <jackjansen> zakim, number?
16:01:51 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, jackjansen.
16:01:58 <jackjansen> zakim, phone number?
16:01:58 <Zakim> I am sorry, jackjansen; I do not know a number for number?
16:02:05 <wiecha> zakim, code?
16:02:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 7922 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), wiecha
16:02:07 <jackjansen> sigh.
16:02:11 <jackjansen> Ah!
16:02:12 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
16:02:53 <Steven> Just coming
16:02:58 <Steven> ending the previous call
16:03:39 <Zakim> + +31.20.616.aaaa
16:03:45 <jackjansen> zakim, aaaa is me
16:03:45 <Zakim> +jackjansen; got it
16:04:46 <Steven> `zakim, dial steven-617
16:04:57 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
16:04:57 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:04:59 <Zakim> +Steven
16:05:16 <wiecha> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Jan/0013.html
16:05:20 <wiecha> that's the draft outline
16:06:21 <wiecha> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2008Dec/0020.html
16:06:29 <wiecha> gregory's post on crossword puzzle ideas
16:06:49 <Steven> scribe: Steven
16:06:52 <wiecha> Scribe: Steven
16:07:07 <Steven> Topic: What is to be done
16:07:37 <oedipus> q+ to say GJR is working with DanBri on getting OpenSocial set up as a virtual visually impaired computer users' group site as a proof of product on a site-wide scale for ARIA 1.0
16:07:41 <Steven> Charlie: So what do we want to do, and what should we do when the charter runs out
16:07:45 <oedipus> ack me
16:07:45 <Zakim> oedipus, you wanted to say GJR is working with DanBri on getting OpenSocial set up as a virtual visually impaired computer users' group site as a proof of product on a site-wide
16:07:47 <oedipus> OpenSocial, ARIA and accessibility (Dan Brickley): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Feb/0004.html
16:07:49 <Zakim> ... scale for ARIA 1.0
16:08:02 <Steven> ... Steve Bratt says not to worry about the timing, since we started a little after the planned start last year
16:08:27 <Steven> ... but I'd like us to use the XG to get some visibility for Ubiquity
16:09:12 <oedipus> [fyi] GJR would like to run ubiquity-xforms on ARIA-enabled OpenSocial site
16:09:45 <Steven> John: If we're going to continue for another year, then writing is a paper is something you do at the end
16:10:04 <Steven> ... and the web engineering conference occurs every year
16:10:16 <Steven> Jack: I agree, we don't have enough to show at the moment
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16:10:33 <Steven> ... but maybe you have another angle on this Charlie
16:10:47 <Steven> Charlie: I'm trying to be neutral
16:11:31 <Steven> Jack: I have news, I am about to start a Javascript SMIL implementation
16:11:41 <Steven> ... it's my 5th implementation
16:11:52 <Steven> ... I have to learn Javascript first
16:12:00 <Steven> ... I want to integrate with Ubiquity
16:12:32 <Steven> Steven: Cool!
16:13:04 <Steven> Charlie: That's great!
16:13:47 <Steven> Steven: Jack, we could get MarkB to come over ti Amsterdam
16:13:54 <Steven> s/ti /to /
16:14:37 <Steven> Charlie: Looks like we agree nopt to do Web Engineering this year
16:14:40 <jackjansen> me thanks steven
16:15:36 <Steven> Steven: Do we need to worry about charter deadlines?
16:15:47 <Steven> Charlie: We need to look at that
16:17:07 <Steven> Steven: and do we need to think about rec-track documents?
16:17:21 <Steven> Charlie: I think we need to hink about an IG coming out of this group
16:17:27 <Steven> s/hink/think/
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16:17:39 <Steven> ... and not necessarily recs.
16:18:13 <Steven> John: we are doing some modularisation work in XForms
16:18:38 <Steven> ... but why those modules are more applicable than just XForms is through demonstrators
16:19:41 <Steven> Charlie: The web community has no idea that standards have anything to offer, and we need to evangelise that
16:21:53 <Steven> Charie: There are three threads - spec track, ubiqiuity, and then evangelism/demos
16:21:59 <Steven> John: Reification
16:22:31 <Steven> Charlie: Ubiquity is looking at 1.1 at the moment, but we want to move to 1.2 modules
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16:25:29 <Steven> Charlie: The 4th thing is the browser, and making them more friendly to XML
16:25:40 <Steven> ... we have to do a lot of work getting round browser difficulties
16:28:15 <Steven> Charlie: It sounds like we are OK with prototyping
16:28:45 <wiecha> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/app-backplane/
16:28:46 <jackjansen> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/app-backplane/charter-20080409.html
16:29:01 <Steven> Steven: So it ends in April
16:29:23 <Steven> Charlie: Not enough time to do what we want
16:30:05 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/procedures.html
16:30:32 <Steven> Steven: So we can't just extend
16:31:26 <Steven> ... we have to recharter for up to one year more
16:33:40 <Steven> ... current deliverables are requirements and architectural description of the backplane
16:35:29 <Steven> ... Jack's current work will look into integrating with Ubiquity
16:35:41 <Steven> ... if he describes that we will be close to what we have said we will produce
16:36:01 <Steven> Jack: I will be able to describe the central parts of Ubiquity that are essential to the modules
16:36:11 <Steven> ... to adding more modules
16:38:19 <Steven> Steven: I think we can argue that we are taking longer than planned because we are implementing as well as describing, whereas we hadn't originally planned implementations
16:40:17 <Steven> Charlie: I think we are doing what standards should do, and that is try the stuff out in practise, and feed the results back
16:40:31 <Steven> ... I'm happy to develop these rationalisations
16:43:50 <Steven> [Discussion of XBL, and whether that will be the future]
16:44:57 <Steven> John: Perhaps we should ping our other members
16:46:32 <Steven> Charlie: It would be nice if we could get Leigh along
16:48:17 <Steven> Steven: One thing I thought of doing if the interfaces are defined is to get a student to implement some parts of XHTML2
16:48:48 <Steven> Charlie: I will circulate a propose extension to the charter
16:48:55 <Steven> s/propose/proposed/
16:49:02 <Steven> ... and then send it on
16:49:49 <Steven> TOPIC: Ideas for prototyping
16:50:03 <Steven> Charlie: Interactive games?
16:50:09 <jackjansen> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2008Dec/0020.html
16:50:43 <Steven> q+
16:51:39 <oedipus> [fyi] the DAISY consortium (a w3c member - http://www.daisy.org/ - is using XHTML2 as the basis of the next iteration of the digital talking book iteration (ZedNext or "DAISY4") - goal is to get support for XHTML2 from DAISY (authoring and software implementations being worked on simultaneously, and attempts being made to get UbiWeb (or whatever they are called now) to use XHTML2 for DIAL
16:52:03 <Steven> Charlie: I have doubts about social networks, but then again I had doubts about browsers in 1996
16:53:18 <Steven> ... so it might be cool to think about backplane applying to building navigators to help people mash things up
16:53:47 <oedipus> GJR is working with DanBri on getting OpenSocial set up as a virtual visually impaired computer users' group site as a proof of product on a site-wide scale for ARIA 1.0
16:53:47 <oedipus> OpenSocial, ARIA and accessibility (Dan Brickley): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Feb/0004.html
16:54:04 <oedipus> ARIA last call slated for mid-to-late February 2009
16:54:24 <jackjansen> q+
16:55:02 <Steven> Charlie: The simplicity of authoring is a big story
16:55:15 <Steven> ack me
16:55:49 <oedipus> q+ to say DAISY is approaching the redrafting from the author's point-of-view first
16:56:06 <John_Boyer> Steven: I would like to develop an app in Ubiquity... a google-map-like app.
16:56:35 <John_Boyer> Steven: It takes about a tenth of the code of pure imperative approach
16:56:57 <John_Boyer> Steven: Mark Birbeck added satellite views well before Google did within a few hours
16:57:15 <John_Boyer> Steven: This made the authoring argument for declarative approach very compelling
16:57:17 <Steven> ack jack
16:57:19 <jackjansen> ack me
16:57:55 <Steven> jack: My wild idea is to do a crossword where you huess at common friends using OpenSocial
16:58:03 <Steven> s/huess/guess/
16:58:41 <oedipus> q?
16:58:53 <oedipus> ack me
16:58:53 <Zakim> oedipus, you wanted to say DAISY is approaching the redrafting from the author's point-of-view first
16:59:43 <Steven> [Adjourn]
16:59:45 <Zakim> -Kevin_Kelly
16:59:46 <Zakim> -jackjansen
16:59:48 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
16:59:49 <jackjansen> bye!
16:59:50 <Zakim> -wiecha
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16:59:53 <Zakim> Attendees were wiecha, Kevin_Kelly, John_Boyer, +31.20.616.aaaa, jackjansen, Steven
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17:00:01 <wiecha> thx!
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