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19:32:28 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
19:32:29 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2009
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19:33:37 <heycam> Zakim, ??P5 is me
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19:33:37 <ed> Zakim, [IP is me
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19:39:55 <heycam> Chair: Cameron
19:40:06 <heycam> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/20090112005930.GB22797@arc.mcc.id.au
19:40:08 <ChrisL> Scribe: ChrisL
19:40:36 <ChrisL> Topic: Sydney F2F update / agenda
19:41:04 <Zakim> +Shepazu
19:41:06 <ChrisL> CM: Anthony not here. Assume most folk know where it is, have hotel etc. Will ping him
19:41:43 <ChrisL> CL: Will I be able to dial into the meeting? I can't travel
19:42:07 <ChrisL> DS: I have a skype phone bridge and could bring that. Need to call in using skype
19:43:09 <ChrisL> ... Leonard also ay want to dial in
19:43:15 <ChrisL> s/ay/may/
19:46:04 <ChrisL> CL: an australian phone number to call would also work for me
19:46:23 <ChrisL> Topic:  ISSUE-2194: Syntax of some list-type attributes in SVG Tiny 1.2 incompatible with those in SVG 1.1
19:46:32 <ChrisL> issue-2194?
19:46:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-2194 -- Syntax of some list-type attributes in SVG Tiny 1.2 incompatible with those in SVG 1.1 -- OPEN
19:46:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2194
19:47:07 <ChrisL> C: Looked at 1.1 and 1.2T attributes that take lists, also comparing what implementations accept. surprising variability in what they accept
19:47:16 <ChrisL> DS: Are they strict or lax?
19:47:22 <heycam> http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/
19:47:41 <ChrisL> CM: mainly lax, not requiring spaces. Stared making a table to show the  results of this investigation
19:50:27 <ChrisL> DS: Please add a key
19:50:40 <ChrisL> ... need to describe what multiple commas mean
19:51:47 <ChrisL> CM: Common to see transform with zero comma-wsp but spec say multiple comma-wsp
19:53:16 <ChrisL> CL: Prefer not to specify ,,, as error because we could allow sparse lists
19:53:46 <ChrisL> DS: Ikivo had trailing semicolons as silently ignored
19:54:28 <ChrisL> DS: Need to specify what the unspecified values are if we define it
19:55:16 <ChrisL> CL: Yes it depends what its a list of
19:56:10 <ChrisL> ACTION: Chris to run tests from http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/ on Bitflash and Ikivo
19:56:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2392 - Run tests from http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/ on Bitflash and Ikivo [on Chris Lilley - due 2009-01-19].
19:56:41 <ChrisL> This discussion relates to ACTION-2391
19:58:29 <ChrisL> Topic: RNG for role attribute / definition of roles for SVG
19:58:39 <heycam> http://www.w3.org/mid/431565625.20090108194301@w3.org
19:58:58 <heycam> CL: role is already in the rng for 1.2T
19:59:11 <heycam> CL: we need to liaise with WAI people to come up with roles for maps/charts/etc.
19:59:23 <heycam> CL: andreas might be helpful for that, roles for maps
19:59:36 <heycam> CL: less clear who's the community to ask about charts
19:59:50 <heycam> CL: start outreach, find out what the accessibility/domain specific people need
19:59:55 <heycam> CL: i think we should be publishing a note which lists roles to use
20:00:05 <heycam> CL: it's clearly not an exhaustive list, you can come up with new roles
20:00:18 <heycam> CL: for common things, we want them to use these roles we list
20:00:42 <heycam> CL: kicking this off to the IG, at least for the maps one, would be a good idea
20:00:51 <heycam> CL: talk also to semweb people
20:01:03 <heycam> CL: but keep it concrete
20:01:57 <heycam> CL: we need to get the accessibility people to talk to the domain experts, too
20:02:41 <heycam> DS: by accessibility people, WAI members
20:03:54 <ChrisL> This relates to ACTION-2036
20:03:59 <ChrisL> ACTION-2036?
20:03:59 <trackbot> ACTION-2036 -- Chris Lilley to work with WAI PF for SVG domain-specific role values. -- due 2008-05-29 -- OPEN
20:03:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2036
20:04:16 <ChrisL> Topic: SVG 1.1 errata / 2ed
20:04:46 <ChrisL> CL: Don't have any actions related to errata
20:04:59 <ChrisL> ED; No progress yet on my actions there
20:05:14 <ChrisL> JW: Not sure if I do
20:05:20 <ChrisL> DS: Not yet
20:06:28 <ChrisL> DS: There was one erratum regarding character cell that you raised
20:06:49 <ChrisL> ... we could talk more about that. SVGT1.2 cleans it up, erratum should use same wording
20:06:58 <ChrisL> JW: Sure, we can discuss that
20:07:01 <ChrisL> Topic: ISSUE-2198: Define the EventTarget for ProgressEvents
20:07:07 <heycam> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2198
20:07:10 <ChrisL> issue-2198?
20:07:10 <trackbot> ISSUE-2198 -- Define the EventTarget for ProgressEvents -- RAISED
20:07:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2198
20:07:43 <ChrisL> ED: Need to define target of any progress event. We dont ref the spec itself bt also we dont dfefine the target and clearly we should
20:07:51 <ChrisL> DS: Liked the wording you proposed
20:08:09 <ChrisL> CL: Liked the wording too
20:08:20 <ChrisL> ED: So this is a 1.2T erratum?
20:08:42 <ChrisL> ACTION: Erik to add 1.2T erratum on eventTarget for ProgressEvents
20:08:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2393 - Add 1.2T erratum on eventTarget for ProgressEvents [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].
20:09:04 <ChrisL> Topic: ISSUE-2199: Underlying transform value erratum now conflicts with 1.2T
20:09:11 <ChrisL> issue-2199?
20:09:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-2199 -- Underlying transform value erratum now conflicts with 1.2T -- RAISED
20:09:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2199
20:09:36 <ChrisL> CM: Mozilla pointed out that ther eis a conflict
20:10:20 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#cleanup-wording-underlying-value
20:10:41 <ChrisL> ... erratum came out of discussions with Dr. Olaf. Scale 0 not scale 1. Wording in 1.1e was from 1.2T before we agreed with Olaf. So needs an update
20:10:58 <ChrisL> ED: Clear we intended to align with 1.2 so we should update it to match
20:11:55 <ChrisL> CL: Its a fairly localised change
20:12:19 <ChrisL> Action: Cameron to update 1.1 erratum on underlying transform values to match 1.2T
20:12:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2394 - Update 1.1 erratum on underlying transform values to match 1.2T [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-19].
20:13:58 <ChrisL> Topic: SVG in HTML
20:14:19 <ChrisL> DS: Please put that table in the wiki to allow others to collaborate
20:14:36 <ChrisL> ED: Tables a pita to create in wiki syntax
20:15:09 <ChrisL> CM: Allows easier comparison with what WhatWG is doing there
20:16:01 <ChrisL> ED: Have been reading the HTML5 parse algorithm on errors, etc
20:16:50 <ChrisL> DS: See they now allow font element, what about metadata
20:17:38 <ChrisL> ED: Since they dissaalow other namespaces, you can't put RDF in the metadata element
20:17:45 <ChrisL> DS: probably intentional
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20:19:14 <ChrisL> http://tinyurl.com/unhide
20:21:34 <ChrisL> CM: Who will take the action to look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is, document it and compare with ours
20:22:52 <ChrisL> DS: Their description is pretty hard to follow
20:23:46 <ChrisL> ACTION: Cameron to  look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is, document it and compare with ours
20:23:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2395 -  look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is, document it and compare with ours [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-19].
20:24:50 <ChrisL> DS: Maybe ask Phillip Taylor about that?
20:25:38 <ChrisL> Topic: SVG Tiny 1.2 errata to approve
20:26:06 <heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/errata/errata.xml#glyph-d-attr
20:26:10 <heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/errata/errata.xml#asyncstatuscallback-function
20:26:51 <ChrisL> CL: First one is obviously correct
20:27:22 <ChrisL> CM: Need to clarify that a plain ecmascript funtion rather thana property can be used. Copied text from event listener
20:27:43 <ChrisL> ED: Looks good to me
20:28:23 <ChrisL> CM: It widens what can be passed, and also  btw the test suite already assumes this erratum
20:28:38 <ChrisL> Rseolution: both errata are approved
20:28:50 <ChrisL> Resolution: both errata are approved
20:32:17 <ChrisL> ACTION: Cameron to add those two errata to the 1.2T errata
20:32:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2396 - Add those two errata to the 1.2T errata [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-19].
20:32:32 <ChrisL> ED: i had a small one about progress events
20:32:36 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/0028.html
20:33:32 <ChrisL> I think the omission is an oversight, not a deliberate omission
20:33:39 <ChrisL> DS: in favour of adding them
20:33:42 <ChrisL> CL: me too
20:34:29 <ChrisL> ACTION: Erik to add 'loadstart', 'progress' and 'loadend' as animation events
20:34:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2397 - Add 'loadstart', 'progress' and 'loadend' as animation events [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].
20:35:41 <ChrisL> CL: Better to say all events are allowed except one that need a contaxt
20:35:51 <ChrisL> ED: Such as mousewheel, needs a direction
20:36:47 <ChrisL> CL: Doesn't progress itself need a context?
20:37:06 <ChrisL> ED: Keyup/down as well
20:37:29 <ChrisL> ED: prgress can be used to indicate progress even if the amount is not known
20:37:44 <Zakim> -ed
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20:38:32 <ChrisL> DS: In future we might want to add parameters to animations to allow that sort of info to be passeed
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20:38:55 <ChrisL> zakim, ??P0 is Erik
20:38:55 <Zakim> +Erik; got it
20:43:00 <ChrisL> Topic: Test suite infrastructure
20:44:17 <ChrisL> ACTION-2373 is obseleted by an action on Erik to copy and then merge in 1.2T fixes
20:44:24 <ChrisL> close ACTION-2373
20:44:24 <trackbot> ACTION-2373 Ask Mike Smith to move the tests from old archive to the new archive closed
20:45:59 <ChrisL> I dint see eriks action
20:46:07 <ChrisL> s/dint/dont/
20:46:24 <ChrisL> ED: Due to template changes, diff would be the entire file
20:47:06 <ChrisL> CL: Thought we were only diffing the actual group with the test, not the whoole file
20:47:49 <ChrisL> ACTION: Erik to copy the 1.1 test suite to  1.1SE tests, then diff and merge in any relevant 1.2T fixes
20:47:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2398 - Copy the 1.1 test suite to  1.1SE tests, then diff and merge in any relevant 1.2T fixes [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].
20:49:33 <ChrisL> Topic: Actions for people no longer active in WG
20:49:35 <ChrisL> Atanas (Tony) Zlatinski
20:49:44 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users/42284
20:52:33 <ChrisL> two of those are old and concern previous discussions on html parsing
20:52:52 <ChrisL> close action-2034
20:52:52 <trackbot> ACTION-2034 Draft a proposal for the 3 phase parse model and the SACs based parse model closed
20:52:58 <ChrisL> close action-2061
20:52:58 <trackbot> ACTION-2061 Modify the cascading parser diagram closed
20:55:13 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.2/Tiny/ImpReport.html
20:55:56 <ChrisL> close action-2260
20:55:56 <trackbot> ACTION-2260 Fix Bitflash implementation to pass fragid tests such as linking-frag-203-t.svg closed
20:56:19 <ChrisL> close action-2265
20:56:19 <trackbot> ACTION-2265 Fix Bitflash impl. to pass media-video-202-t closed
20:56:42 <ChrisL> close action-2267
20:56:42 <trackbot> ACTION-2267 Fix Bitflash impl to pass styling-inherit-03-t.svg closed
20:58:22 <ChrisL> Topic: MAE
20:58:37 <ChrisL> ED: Andy was going to update the spec for publication
20:59:31 <ChrisL> close ACTION-2264
20:59:31 <trackbot> ACTION-2264 Fix Ikovo impl. to pass media-video-202-t closed
20:59:48 <ChrisL> ACTION: Doug see if Niklas wants to finish up MAE
20:59:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2399 - See if Niklas wants to finish up MAE [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-01-19].
21:00:45 <ed__> ACTION-2269?
21:00:45 <trackbot> ACTION-2269 -- Niklas Hagelroth to look into fixing udom-glob-1 to 3 -- due 2008-10-09 -- OPEN
21:00:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2269
21:00:46 <ChrisL> see ACTION-2354
21:00:49 <ChrisL> ACTION-2354?
21:00:49 <trackbot> ACTION-2354 -- Niklas Hagelroth to have torkel email Doug about MAE -- due 2008-11-27 -- OPEN
21:00:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2354
21:02:09 <ChrisL> ED we could close ACTION-2269 as we removed the first udom glob test and fixed the other two
21:02:57 <ChrisL> close ACTION-2269
21:02:57 <trackbot> ACTION-2269 Look into fixing udom-glob-1 to 3 closed
21:03:24 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make loge public
21:03:24 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make loge public', ChrisL.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
21:03:32 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make logs public
21:03:42 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
21:03:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html ChrisL
21:03:56 <Zakim> -heycam
21:03:57 <Zakim> -ChrisL
21:04:02 <Zakim> -Erik
21:05:12 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
21:05:12 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], heycam, ed, ChrisL, jwatt, Shepazu, Erik
21:05:29 <ChrisL> regrets: Anthony
21:05:33 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
21:05:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html ChrisL
21:05:36 <shepazu> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329212
21:21:17 <Zakim> -jwatt
21:21:33 <Zakim> -Shepazu
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21:21:35 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], heycam, ed, ChrisL, jwatt, Shepazu, Erik
21:24:15 <jwatt> heycam: got a link to your html list email?
21:24:20 <jwatt> I don't see it on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jan/
21:34:25 <heycam> jwatt, this one? http://www.w3.org/mid/20090112001702.GA22797@arc.mcc.id.au
21:34:29 <heycam> i didn't send it to public-html
21:34:44 <jwatt> ah
21:34:45 <jwatt> ta
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