IRC log of svgig on 2009-01-08
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-svgig-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be SVGIG
- 15:58:57 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot, I see GA_SVGIG()11:00AM already started
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- Meeting: SVG Interest Group Teleconference
- 15:58:58 [trackbot]
- Date: 08 January 2009
- 15:59:41 [Zakim]
- + +1.149.1.aabb
- 15:59:44 [Zakim]
- + +1.312.540.aacc
- 16:01:35 [shepazu]
- Zakim, call shepazu
- 16:01:35 [Zakim]
- ok, shepazu; the call is being made
- 16:01:36 [Zakim]
- +Shepazu
- 16:01:47 [Zakim]
- +??P56
- 16:02:06 [Zakim]
- + +49.918.126.5.aadd
- 16:02:30 [Manuel]
- zakim, +49 is me
- 16:02:30 [Zakim]
- +Manuel; got it
- 16:02:52 [shepazu]
- Zakim, 1.149.1.aabb is rob
- 16:02:52 [Zakim]
- sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '1.149.1.aabb'
- 16:03:15 [JeffSchiller]
- JeffSchiller, aacc is me
- 16:03:25 [JeffSchiller]
- zakim, aacc is me
- 16:03:25 [Zakim]
- +JeffSchiller; got it
- 16:03:30 [JeffSchiller]
- zakim, +aacc is me
- 16:03:30 [Zakim]
- sorry, JeffSchiller, I do not recognize a party named '+aacc'
- 16:03:53 [stelt]
- stelt is listening over phone
- 16:04:07 [shepazu]
- Zakim, who is here?
- 16:04:13 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +1.713.851.aaaa, +1.149.1.aabb, JeffSchiller, Shepazu, ??P56, Manuel
- 16:04:16 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, JeffSchiller, Manuel, Zakim, gwadej, darobin, stelt, shepazu, trackbot
- 16:04:29 [shepazu]
- Zakim, ??P56 is stelt
- 16:04:29 [Zakim]
- +stelt; got it
- 16:04:31 [Rob_Russell]
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- 16:04:54 [shepazu]
- zakim, 1.149 is Rob_Russell
- 16:05:01 [Zakim]
- sorry, shepazu, I do not recognize a party named '1.149'
- 16:05:16 [shepazu]
- zakim, aaaa is Rob_Russell
- 16:05:16 [Zakim]
- +Rob_Russell; got it
- 16:05:17 [gwadej]
- zakim, +aaaa is me
- 16:05:21 [Zakim]
- sorry, gwadej, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa'
- 16:05:56 [shepazu]
- zakim, aabb is Rob_Russell
- 16:05:56 [Zakim]
- +Rob_Russell; got it
- 16:06:59 [Donald_Doherty]
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- 16:07:31 [shepazu]
- scribeNick: gwadej
- 16:09:15 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: SVG Open issues
- 16:09:24 [Donald_Doherty]
- Jeff, I'm on IRC on both HCLS and SVGIG. I'll be just looking in from time to time.
- 16:09:37 [JeffSchiller]
- Donald_Doherty: np, thanks
- 16:10:03 [gwadej]
- shepazu: Google and Yahoo talking about sponsoring
- 16:10:11 [JeffSchiller]
- s/Yahoo/Mozilla
- 16:10:18 [gwadej]
- ... Google may provide venue
- 16:11:12 [gwadej]
- ... not sure about local contacts and what they would need to do.
- 16:12:07 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: if Brad Newberg is working on it we might be able to get some help from him
- 16:12:30 [gwadej]
- shepazu: We need to decide what needs to be done locally
- 16:13:01 [gwadej]
- ... since much would be done by phone, could be done non-locally as well.
- 16:13:42 [gwadej]
- Stelt: Google has geek meetings all the time, so good venuje
- 16:13:53 [gwadej]
- s/venuje/venue
- 16:14:02 [rlongson]
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- 16:14:11 [gwadej]
- ... Google would have wifi and such handled
- 16:14:29 [gwadej]
- shepazu: we could trust a lot if Google did it
- 16:14:43 [gwadej]
- ... maybe a few days before.
- 16:15:02 [gwadej]
- ... might be better on the weekends, maybe better turnout
- 16:15:12 [gwadej]
- Rob_Russell: Depends on the audience
- 16:16:22 [Zakim]
- +??P16
- 16:16:29 [gwadej]
- shepazu: during the week everyone works or whatever. Weekends more likely to be free.
- 16:16:48 [gwadej]
- gwadej: weekends for family
- 16:17:10 [gwadej]
- shepazu: technical presentations on the weekday
- 16:17:11 [shepazu]
- Zakim, ??P16 is rlongson
- 16:17:11 [Zakim]
- +rlongson; got it
- 16:17:40 [gwadej]
- ... maybe overlap end of week over weekend
- 16:18:08 [JeffSchiller]
- http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/11/12/Bad-Ruby
- 16:18:22 [gwadej]
- shepazu: Maybe Google provide better venue on weekend?
- 16:19:14 [gwadej]
- ... don't know about Pittsburg as a location. Been then nice.
- 16:19:19 [gwadej]
- s/then/there
- 16:19:33 [gwadej]
- ... maybe Boston, or Bay area.
- 16:19:58 [gwadej]
- ... not enough information for deciding location
- 16:21:14 [gwadej]
- ... stelt has most planning expeience
- 16:21:38 [gwadej]
- ... call for papers even without venue decision
- 16:22:19 [gwadej]
- ... abstract even without knowing and might be willing to decide if chosen.
- 16:23:11 [gwadej]
- stelt: If someone from Mozilla is willing to help, we might be able to get more info
- 16:23:38 [gwadej]
- shepazu: Rob has contact with Mozilla
- 16:24:07 [gwadej]
- Rob_Russell: Direct questions to Jonathan to push for Mozilla help.
- 16:24:38 [gwadej]
- shepazu: good chance to get Mozilla to sponsor
- 16:24:52 [gwadej]
- ... Robert O'Callahan?
- 16:25:08 [gwadej]
- ... others at Mozilla might be able to come
- 16:25:46 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: Maybe invite someone like Sam Ruby to give a keynote
- 16:25:56 [gwadej]
- shepazu: Might bring in more from IBM
- 16:26:10 [gwadej]
- ... Shelley Powers?
- 16:26:42 [gwadej]
- ... present, not necessarily a keynote, but present and promote book.
- 16:26:45 [stelt]
- Cant we finalize (make sure) on Google venue and then let Andreas do the call?
- 16:27:54 [gwadej]
- stelt: seemed like it was close to certain, maybe we can push a little with Andreas to get it completed
- 16:28:15 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: still no information on dates
- 16:28:42 [gwadej]
- shepazu: D. Dailey had commented about before school had started
- 16:28:48 [stelt]
- dates should be good for USA folks
- 16:28:55 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: Not during the first week of classes
- 16:29:11 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: try to finalize the dates on the mailing list
- 16:29:37 [gwadej]
- shepazu: if at Google, I would count on twice the attendance
- 16:29:50 [gwadej]
- ... how long since easy one for Americans to attend
- 16:29:57 [stelt]
- 6yrs
- 16:30:47 [JeffSchiller]
- http://www.amazon.com/Socialism-Great-Workers-Memoir-China/dp/0977743373
- 16:31:34 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: Move on to Website
- 16:31:37 [stelt]
- svg.org is back, but for how long?
- 16:31:43 [gwadej]
- ... still work that needs to be done.
- 16:32:04 [gwadej]
- .... svg.org was not reachable a few days ago, but appears to be back.
- 16:32:26 [gwadej]
- shepazu: maintainer is currently in China, fixed some configuration problems.
- 16:32:59 [gwadej]
- ... interested in new site and help with hosting new site. Would be willing to provide a data dump
- 16:33:40 [gwadej]
- ... still can't get input from owner of svg.org domain
- 16:34:06 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: Let's proceed with planetsvg and ignore svg.org
- 16:34:21 [gwadej]
- shepazu: SVG Tiny 1.2 is a recommendation!!!
- 16:34:36 [stelt]
- congrats shepazu
- 16:34:50 [gwadej]
- ... WG happy that it is done and apologetic that it took so long.
- 16:35:19 [gwadej]
- ... doing errata for 1.1, cleanup, tests, one errata for 1.2, looking toward next version of language.
- 16:35:59 [gwadej]
- ... news item on planetsvg, not on svg.org
- 16:36:32 [gwadej]
- ... putting a lot of pressure on Rob. How can we help?
- 16:36:47 [gwadej]
- Rob_Russell: The theming went well,
- 16:36:59 [gwadej]
- ... guides need to be written, etc.
- 16:37:35 [gwadej]
- ... the bits that need to be done, like feeds, etc. working on.
- 16:37:58 [gwadej]
- ... imporvement to moderation view will make it easier for moderators.
- 16:38:17 [gwadej]
- ... SVG upload for the gallery is a big piece
- 16:38:33 [gwadej]
- ... anyone willing to help with the server-side stuff
- 16:38:53 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: Will check his access to make certain it worked
- 16:39:12 [gwadej]
- ... what is part of the theme from Manuel
- 16:39:29 [stelt]
- Rob, saw BSVG/B bug in moderation view?
- 16:39:37 [gwadej]
- Rob_Russell: theme as a zip sent, fixed, and returned
- 16:39:56 [gwadej]
- Manuel: working on the changes
- 16:40:43 [gwadej]
- Rob_Russell: it is in a SVN repository, so maybe easier access for Manuel
- 16:40:59 [gwadej]
- ... workflow for the multiple servers
- 16:41:19 [gwadej]
- ... update repository, then have servers svn up for the changes.
- 16:41:32 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: try out the css changes this way
- 16:41:42 [shepazu]
- stelt, that sounds great... we need more content on the wiki
- 16:41:58 [gwadej]
- Rob_Russell: Making changes rapidly is not the problem yet, so he can be in the middle.
- 16:42:11 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: outgoing feeds problems?
- 16:42:40 [gwadej]
- Rob_Russell: have not tracked down where all of the outgoing feeds already work, much may be
- 16:42:52 [gwadej]
- ... there without any more work,
- 16:43:11 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: Check if its there and then do the css changes.
- 16:43:25 [gwadej]
- Rob_Russell: Put in a link for the feeds we find.
- 16:43:51 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: Email subscriptions for forums and such after the themes and such.
- 16:44:09 [stelt]
- svglogo.com gone, where do people get the official logo now?
- 16:44:40 [shepazu]
- http://www.planetsvg.com/content/wiki-module is really dark, hard to read
- 16:44:47 [gwadej]
- shepazu: after the aqua buttons, tutorial on reusable content
- 16:45:10 [gwadej]
- Manuel: SVG -based websites and such
- 16:45:48 [shepazu]
- stelt: svglogo.com was never intended to provide the logo... it will be available from W3C soon
- 16:45:49 [gwadej]
- ... wireframing websites with SVG, realize in HTML, in about a month..
- 16:46:12 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: Checklist from stelt for the website?
- 16:46:39 [gwadej]
- shepazu: solicit content from developers list
- 16:47:21 [gwadej]
- ... two French guys, one who had his own site and a book, another with a widgets framework.
- 16:47:31 [Manuel]
- i found the logo on the site of the designer who created it...
- 16:47:32 [gwadej]
- ... maybe a forum on making widgets.
- 16:47:33 [Manuel]
- http://www.root2art.co.uk/svg_logo_download/index.php
- 16:47:46 [gwadej]
- ... Niko (he's Italian)
- 16:47:58 [gwadej]
- ... very good framework.
- 16:48:30 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: Ferd (sp?) used to do some games, now has a blog.
- 16:48:51 [JeffSchiller]
- s/Ferd/Fyrd => http://a.deveria.com/
- 16:48:51 [stelt]
- i found my SVG site checklist: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008JulSep/0066.html
- 16:48:53 [gwadej]
- shepazu: Firefox widget set
- 16:49:13 [gwadej]
- ... works in browsers, not just Firefox
- 16:49:37 [JeffSchiller]
- stelt: I was talking about content for the website that you might be willing to write, I think you mentioned a checklist or something
- 16:49:44 [gwadej]
- ... Kevin Lindsey, I wonder if he would do a tutorial?
- 16:50:24 [gwadej]
- ... maybe not need to worry about the content. We need to have something to point to from the W3C site.
- 16:50:50 [stelt]
- wants to move his svg.startpagina.nl links
- 16:51:04 [gwadej]
- Rob_Russell: Once we're using the new theme as default, then put this on W3C.
- 16:51:50 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: let's fix the theme and then, if no show-stoppers let's put it out, (then we can teak forever._
- 16:52:28 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: Little space at top was for links, but we don't use it for now.
- 16:52:50 [gwadej]
- JeffSchiller: identify low-handing fruit in browser bugs.
- 16:53:29 [gwadej]
- shepazu: run across a few browser bugs in Firefox, because it's the one he uses the most.
- 16:53:53 [gwadej]
- ... putting some priority on SVG fonts, not in 3.1 but soon.
- 16:54:01 [gwadej]
- ... SMIl is a big one.
- 16:54:21 [gwadej]
- ... little stuff, like the title not giving a tooltip.
- 16:54:39 [gwadej]
- ... workaround like misuseing XLink title.
- 16:55:33 [gwadej]
- ... part of engine core, so it's stuck in review
- 16:55:51 [gwadej]
- rlongson: can't review it, and people who can aren't doing it yet.
- 16:56:28 [Zakim]
- -Rob_Russell
- 16:57:07 [JeffSchiller]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/Accessibility_Activity#Implementation_Status_.28Current_Behavior.2C_Bugs.29
- 16:57:28 [stelt]
- if we write about low hanging fruit bugs, make sure to add links to bug tracking systems
- 16:57:37 [Rob_Russell]
- zakim, 1.149 is Rob_Russell
- 16:57:37 [Zakim]
- sorry, Rob_Russell, I do not recognize a party named '1.149'
- 16:59:37 [JeffSchiller]
- zakim, aabb is Rob_Russell
- 16:59:37 [Zakim]
- sorry, JeffSchiller, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
- 16:59:56 [Zakim]
- -JeffSchiller
- 16:59:59 [Zakim]
- -Rob_Russell.a
- 17:00:02 [Zakim]
- -Manuel
- 17:00:04 [Zakim]
- -stelt
- 17:00:22 [Zakim]
- -Shepazu
- 17:01:02 [shepazu]
- trackbot, end telcon
- 17:01:02 [trackbot]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 17:01:02 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been +1.713.851.aaaa, +1.149.1.aabb, +1.312.540.aacc, Shepazu, +49.918.126.5.aadd, Manuel, JeffSchiller, stelt, Rob_Russell, rlongson
- 17:01:03 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 17:01:03 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-svgig-minutes.html trackbot
- 17:01:04 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 17:01:04 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items
- 17:01:06 [Zakim]
- -rlongson
- 17:01:06 [Zakim]
- GA_SVGIG()11:00AM has ended