14:51:59 RRSAgent has joined #bpwg 14:51:59 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-bpwg-irc 14:52:01 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:52:01 Zakim has joined #bpwg 14:52:03 Zakim, this will be BPWG 14:52:03 ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes 14:52:04 Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 14:52:04 Date: 08 January 2009 14:52:07 zakim, code? 14:52:07 the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom 14:54:03 MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started 14:54:10 + +0207881aaaa 14:54:17 zakim, aaaa is me 14:54:17 +adam; got it 14:56:37 jo has joined #bpwg 14:56:57 zakim, who is here? 14:56:57 On the phone I see adam 14:56:58 On IRC I see jo, Zakim, RRSAgent, DKA, adam, francois, trackbot, dom 14:57:53 zakim, code? 14:57:53 the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo 14:58:35 +jo 14:59:01 Regrets: DavidStorey, rob, BruceLawson, VicquiChan, SangwhanMoon, Bryan, Abel, nacho 14:59:41 +Francois 14:59:50 Regrets+ Kai 15:00:22 + +0774811aabb 15:00:34 zakim, who is here? 15:00:34 On the phone I see adam, jo, Francois, +0774811aabb 15:00:35 On IRC I see jo, Zakim, RRSAgent, DKA, adam, francois, trackbot, dom 15:00:36 zakim, DKA 15:00:36 I don't understand 'DKA', francois 15:00:41 zakim, aabb is DKA 15:00:41 +DKA; got it 15:01:43 +??P15 15:01:51 zakim, ??P15 is me 15:01:51 +dom; got it 15:02:30 http://www.alistapart.com/articles/returnofthemobilestylesheet 15:02:54 zakim, who's on the phone? 15:02:55 On the phone I see adam, jo, Francois, DKA, dom 15:04:40 ScribeNick: adam 15:04:43 Scribe: Adam 15:05:38 Topic: Errata 15:05:45 dom: Can we take a resolution to edit the MWBP errata, please? 15:05:51 SeanP has joined #bpwg 15:06:05 achuter has joined #bpwg 15:06:29 dom: Just need groups approval to add these comments to the errata page. 15:06:35 s/dom/francois 15:06:46 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/ 15:07:05 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2009JanMar/0001.html First erratum 15:07:14 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2009JanMar/0002.html Second erratum 15:07:33 miguel has joined #bpwg 15:07:54 +??P31 15:08:07 zakim, ??P31 is me 15:08:07 +achuter; got it 15:08:15 zakim, mute me 15:08:15 achuter should now be muted 15:08:35 trackbot, filter any resignation from jo 15:08:35 Sorry, dom, I don't understand 'trackbot, filter any resignation from jo'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help 15:08:41 +[W3C-Spain] 15:08:56 jo: will you acknowledge the comments when you update? 15:08:59 francois: yes. 15:09:08 dka: don't think we need a resolution, just go ahead. 15:09:14 No objections noted. 15:09:28 +SeanP 15:09:31 Topic: MWABP Status Update 15:09:57 -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-mwabp-20081222/ Last published draft of MWABP 15:10:04 dka: Got new draft out before the end of the year. Should lead to additional interest. 15:10:12 dka: Further updates? Feedback ? 15:11:47 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20090101 Jo's Comments on MWABP 15:11:57 adam: I've received comments from Jo, but nothing else. Will fold in Jo's comments and wait for further comments (external or otherwise) before proceeding. 15:12:23 jo: Comments are in the form of an updated draft. (Link inlined). 15:12:51 Topic: CT Status (and merging calls) 15:13:08 dka: Should we remerge CT task-force back into general BP work ? 15:13:19 [fewer rather than less Dan] 15:13:42 dka: I think this is a good thing: fewer calls, increased focus now we are in final stretch. 15:14:02 dka: Both documents need to be finished up by end of June, btw. 15:14:41 -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/BPWG-mergingcalls/results Questionnaire's results on merged call 15:15:10 jo: CT doc awaits update from Jo, but it's coming really soon. 15:16:09 jo: Key issues... question of HTTPS; wording around treating content apparently created for mobile. 15:16:48 francois: Agree that merging calls would help drive these issues to conclusion in the larger group. 15:17:27 jo: Yes, right time to merge calls and get group consensus. 15:17:45 jo: On the subject of attendance, CT call tends to be well attended. 15:18:45 dka: Not proposing that we demote CT task-force to not being a task-force... Just suggesting that we combine calls. 15:18:58 francois: Not really sure there's a difference. 15:19:41 francois: Should also move back to general mailing list to ensure everyone engages with discussion. 15:20:09 jsmanrique has joined #bpwg 15:20:14 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will merge the CT taskforce back into the main BP group; we will further merge the calls as well. The BP call will now take place in the Tuesday slot previously allocated to CT and we will cease the thursday calls. 15:21:25 dka: Proposal is also to move the main call to Tuesday (CT slot). 15:21:36 jo: Has a conflict and can only make 1hr in that slot. 15:21:47 dka: Suggest moving the Tuesday call 1hr earlier. 15:22:05 so the proposal is Tuesday 2pm UTC, right? 15:22:06 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will merge the CT taskforce back into the main BP group; we will further merge the calls as well. The BP call will now take place in the Tuesday slot previously allocated to CT and we will cease the thursday calls. We will further move that CT slot an hour earlier on Tuesday at 14:00 UK. 15:22:52 dka: Bryan might be adversely affected though. Because this will be early in the day for him. 15:23:47 francois: Could we just move call to 2:30 instead ? 15:24:15 no problem to start at 1/2h 15:24:43 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will merge the CT taskforce back into the main BP group; we will further merge the calls as well. The BP call will now take place in the Tuesday slot previously allocated to CT and we will cease the thursday calls. We will further move that CT slot a half-hour earlier on Tuesdays at 14:30 UK. 15:24:58 +1 15:25:02 +1 15:25:11 +1 15:25:12 +1 15:25:13 +1 15:25:27 +1 15:25:28 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will merge the CT taskforce back into the main BP group; we will further merge the calls as well. The BP call will now take place in the Tuesday slot previously allocated to CT and we will cease the thursday calls. We will further move that CT slot a half-hour earlier on Tuesdays at 14:30 UK. To be implemented pending feedback from Bryan. 15:25:31 I'm a bit concerned about changing the schedules without asking more people... 15:25:37 dka: To be implemented pending feedback from Bryan. 15:25:49 zakim, unmute me 15:25:49 dom should no longer be muted 15:26:23 RESOLUTION: We will merge the CT taskforce back into the main BP group; we will further merge the calls as well. The BP call will now take place in the Tuesday slot previously allocated to CT and we will cease the thursday calls. We will further move that CT slot a half-hour earlier on Tuesdays at 14:30 UK. To be implemented next week as a trial pending feedback from members not on the call. 15:26:48 +1 15:26:56 +1 post facto 15:27:19 RESOLUTION: We will merge the CT taskforce back into the main BP group; we will further merge the calls as well. The BP call will now take place in the Tuesday slot previously allocated to CT and we will cease the thursday calls. We will further move that CT slot a half-hour earlier on Tuesdays at 14:30 UK. To be implemented next week as a trial pending feedback from members not on the call. 15:28:08 Note: the call time is the only thing pending feedback. Everything else needs to be actioned. 15:28:20 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Big thanks to Francois for his extremely capable Leadership of CT Task Force 15:29:39 +1 15:29:40 +1 15:29:42 +1 15:29:50 RESOLUTION: Big thanks to Francois for his extremely capable Leadership of CT Task Force 15:30:53 Topic: Open Actions 15:31:24 ACTION-882? 15:31:24 ACTION-882 -- Daniel Appelquist to encourage people to answer the poll. -- due 2008-11-20 -- OPEN 15:31:24 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/882 15:31:29 close ACTION-882 15:31:29 ACTION-882 Encourage people to answer the poll. closed 15:32:06 close ACTION-888 15:32:06 ACTION-888 Be lucky :-) closed 15:33:04 ACTION-890? 15:33:04 ACTION-890 -- Eduardo Casais to provide a short definition of "pagination". -- due 2008-12-09 -- OPEN 15:33:04 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/890 15:33:13 close ACTION-890 15:33:14 ACTION-890 Provide a short definition of "pagination". closed 15:34:10 close ACTION-874 15:34:11 ACTION-874 Refine the wording on graceful degradation trimming and making more explicit the text closed 15:34:59 I think this refers to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/att-0007/00-part 15:35:47 ACTION-855: Bryan's contribution being http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/att-0007/00-part 15:35:47 ACTION-855 Add an appendix on device info based on Bryan's contribution with a placeholder for additional device capabilities that are implied by the BP2 BPs. notes added 15:36:35 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview 15:36:46 ACTION-786? 15:36:46 ACTION-786 -- Jo Rabin to draft wording for an appendix that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are different in the mobile ecosystem. -- due 2008-06-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:36:46 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786 15:37:36 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/att-0052/Mobile_Ecosystem.pdf Jo's contribution on the role of aggregators and operator 15:37:53 ACTION-790? 15:37:53 ACTION-790 -- Alan Chuter to produce some text around accessibility of Javascript for Web Application Best Practices -- due 2008-07-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:37:53 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/790 15:38:08 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0081.html Alan's contribution 15:38:34 Regrets+ yeliz 15:38:44 ACTION: Adam to review Alan's http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0081.html 15:38:45 Created ACTION-894 - Review Alan's http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0081.html [on Adam Connors - due 2009-01-15]. 15:38:48 RESOLUTION: We will merge the CT taskforce back into the main BP group; we will further merge the calls as well. The BP call will now take place in the Tuesday slot previously allocated to CT and we will cease the thursday calls. We will further move that CT slot a half-hour earlier on Tuesdays at 14:30 UK. To be implemented pending feedback from Bryan. 15:39:23 close ACTION-792 15:39:23 ACTION-792 Propose some text on SVG closed 15:39:27 ACTION-873? 15:39:27 ACTION-873 -- Daniel Appelquist to provide some words on conservative use of resources -- due 2008-10-28 -- OPEN 15:39:27 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/873 15:39:32 ACTION-837? 15:39:32 ACTION-837 -- Kai Scheppe to provide explanatory text for the addendum which will put the document (mobileOK Pro Tests 1) in the correct context and explain to the audience that it is intended to aid content authors in creating still better content. -- due 2008-09-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:39:32 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/837 15:40:04 ACTION-857? 15:40:04 ACTION-857 -- Alan Chuter to initiate discussion on ISSUE-282 (Overlap) -- due 2008-10-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:40:04 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/857 15:40:11 close ACTION-857 15:40:12 ACTION-857 Initiate discussion on ISSUE-282 (Overlap) closed 15:40:36 ACTION-869? 15:40:36 ACTION-869 -- Jo Rabin to review the mobileOK license in more details and send further questions to rigo -- due 2008-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:40:36 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/869 15:40:44 Jo: no feedback from rigo 15:41:54 ACTION-876? 15:41:54 ACTION-876 -- Adam Connors to send to Jeff list of test cases that Jeff can inflict on a grad student. -- due 2008-10-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:41:54 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876 15:42:23 dka: Reassign to Jeff since action is now pending some potential results from grad. student. 15:42:32 ACTION-879? 15:42:32 ACTION-879 -- François Daoust to ask [someone] about adding IETF headers -- due 2008-11-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:42:32 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/879 15:43:42 close ACTION-879 15:43:42 ACTION-879 Ask [someone] about adding IETF headers closed 15:44:07 Topic: F2F meetings 15:44:48 dka: Last conversation last yr was to decide that we couldn't get good attendance for the Korean meeting due to budget constraints. 15:45:09 dka: So we don't now have a plan for a near-term F2F. 15:45:51 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies.html#GeneralMeetings Process document on F2F meetings: 8 weeks advance notice 15:46:13 dka: 18th/19th March in Boston would work well for me. 15:46:33 That's Easter Week 15:47:32 zakim, unmute me 15:47:32 achuter should no longer be muted 15:48:16 achuter: Actually, maybe that isn't easter week. 15:48:24 Easter is April 12, 2009 15:48:32 zakim, mute achuter 15:48:32 achuter should now be muted 15:48:54 dka: We would need a host in any case. 15:49:29 ACTION: Dan to look for a potential host for a meeting in Boston week of March 18 15:49:29 Created ACTION-895 - Look for a potential host for a meeting in Boston week of March 18 [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-01-15]. 15:53:21 dka: We will create a poll to confirm dates and also location. 15:53:43 jo: We will also need to plan for a concluding F2F. 15:59:41 bye all 15:59:44 -DKA 15:59:45 bye 15:59:46 -jo 15:59:46 -adam 15:59:47 -dom 15:59:49 -Francois 15:59:50 -miguel 15:59:50 miguel has left #bpwg 15:59:51 bye 15:59:54 -SeanP 15:59:59 -achuter 16:00:00 MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended 16:00:04 Attendees were +0207881aaaa, adam, jo, Francois, +0774811aabb, DKA, dom, achuter, SeanP, miguel 16:01:08 RRSAGent, draft minutes 16:01:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-bpwg-minutes.html francois 16:12:34 DKA has left #bpwg 16:24:17 RRSAgent, bye 16:24:17 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-bpwg-actions.rdf : 16:24:17 ACTION: Adam to review Alan's http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0081.html [1] 16:24:17 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-bpwg-irc#T15-38-44 16:24:17 ACTION: Dan to look for a potential host for a meeting in Boston week of March 18 [2] 16:24:17 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-bpwg-irc#T15-49-29 16:24:22 Zakim, bye 16:24:22 Zakim has left #bpwg