IRC log of i18nits on 2008-12-23

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15:54:50 [YvesS]
akim, list conferences
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zakim, list conferences
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I see no active conferences
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scheduled at this time are MWI_BPWG(CTTF)10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, WS_DBWG()10:00AM, IA_Team()10:00AM, SW_SWD()11:00AM, I18N_ITS IG()11:00AM, SW_RIF()11:00AM,
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... SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM, MWI_TSWG()11:00AM, XML_ET-TF()11:00AM, INC_RWAB()11:00AM
15:55:16 [YvesS]
zakim, this will be I18N_ITS
15:55:16 [Zakim]
ok, YvesS; I see I18N_ITS IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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meeting: i18n ITS IG
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chair: Yves
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scribe: fsasaki
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15:57:43 [YvesS]
Hi Felix, we have regrets from Camille
15:58:03 [fsasaki]
regrets: Camille
15:59:32 [Zakim]
I18N_ITS IG()11:00AM has now started
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16:00:43 [fsasaki]
present: Christian, Yves, Felix
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present+ Jirka
16:03:07 [YvesS]
zakim, who is there?
16:03:07 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, YvesS.
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+ +420.4.811.2.aaaa
16:03:43 [fsasaki]
topic: ITS-oriented reviews of XML specifications
16:03:58 [fsasaki]
ACTION - Yves to look at UIML (Oasis) pending
16:03:58 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - -
16:04:13 [fsasaki]
ACTION - Rodolfo to look at XUL - pending
16:04:13 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - -
16:04:32 [fsasaki]
Yves: SML Feedback, topic is resolved
16:04:35 [YvesS]
16:05:22 [fsasaki]
Action Felix to look at WebCGM 2.1 - pending
16:05:22 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-87 - Look at WebCGM 2.1 - pending [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-12-30].
16:05:37 [fsasaki]
Yves to look at POWDER
16:05:39 [YvesS]
16:06:49 [fsasaki]
Yves: POWDER works on integrating my ITS rules file in the spec
16:06:55 [YvesS]
16:08:15 [fsasaki]
action: Felix to review widget spec
16:08:15 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-88 - Review widget spec [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-12-30].
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Jirka: widget spec uses already its:dir
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action: Felix to look at OWL
16:09:33 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-89 - Look at OWL [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-12-30].
16:11:05 [fsasaki]
Christian: did we had a look at TBX in its ISO version?
16:11:15 [fsasaki]
.. not sure what the ISO draft says about ITS data categories
16:11:29 [fsasaki]
Yves: haven't looked at it for a long time
16:11:43 [fsasaki]
Christian describes TBX
16:12:27 [fsasaki]
Christian: TBX has transition from LISA to ISO, not sure about the changes happening and if ITS is being covered
16:12:49 [fsasaki]
Yves: where to find the current draft?
16:13:17 [fsasaki]
action: Yves to call Kara Warburton asking for the latest ISO draft
16:13:17 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-90 - Call Kara Warburton asking for the latest ISO draft [on Yves Savourel - due 2008-12-30].
16:13:56 [fsasaki]
topic: ITS rules repository
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action Jirka to edit the rules for OOXML
16:14:13 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-91 - Edit the rules for OOXML [on Jirka Kosek - due 2008-12-30].
16:14:22 [YvesS]
16:14:25 [fsasaki]
close ACTION-91
16:14:25 [trackbot]
ACTION-91 Edit the rules for OOXML closed
16:15:12 [fsasaki]
Yves: I'll try to this with a test file
16:15:37 [fsasaki]
Yves to continue working on the rules for ODF
16:15:45 [fsasaki]
16:15:50 [fsasaki]
Yves: not finished yet
16:15:54 [YvesS]
16:16:32 [YvesS]
16:17:22 [fsasaki]
topic: ITS Processor API
16:17:37 [YvesS]
16:18:08 [fsasaki]
Yves: made some changes, like how to access attribute
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.. currently this implements translate and directionality
16:19:10 [fsasaki]
.. decoration is still not changed from user data to attribute
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Christian: processor implements translate and directionality, following ?
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Yves: yes
16:20:55 [fsasaki]
.. please have a look and see what could be improved
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.. main issue if you implement a full decoration or not. Currently I do like this: everything which is inherited is not being decorated
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.. so you have to walk the tree
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topic: ITS XSLT processor
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AI Felix to look into XPath expressivity in SAX engine of saxon - can be dropped
16:24:28 [fsasaki]
AI Felix to follow up with Syd comments, and with Bryan and XML+ITS->XLIFF - pending
16:24:55 [fsasaki]
Christian: maybe ping Bryan again?
16:24:58 [fsasaki]
Felix: will do
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Christian: include proposal for call with Bryan
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AI Rodolfo to try look at the xslt decorator - pending
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Felix: general decorator, for testing etc.
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Christian: question: danger in having separate development tracks
16:30:32 [fsasaki]
.. hard to see status of implementations, interop
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.. will translate decorator be decrepacated?
16:31:27 [fsasaki]
Felix: agree, how to implement deprecation?
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Christian: adding cross references to wiki pages for general and translate decorator
16:32:46 [fsasaki]
Yves: agree, make ITS processing wiki page more clear
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topic: ITS General issues
16:34:02 [fsasaki]
AI Felix to check what URI to use for ITS extensions
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16:34:21 [YvesS]
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16:34:37 [fsasaki]
Yves: is above NS OK?
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Christian: purpose is to put things which may be extensions of future ITS?
16:35:42 [fsasaki]
Yves: yes
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agreement to publish new namespace
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now public:
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AI Ingo to draft a proposal for the context - pending
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topic: language code issue
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Yves: hard to define rule file which has not hard coded language code
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.. need a kind of variable
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.. e.g. "translate nothing except the text element with the element that has the attribute xml:lang='en'"
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Jirka: you can have a separate XML document, to have the language codes as parameters
16:41:08 [fsasaki]
Yves: interesting idea, I'll try
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s/parameters/parameters for XPath/
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topic: ITS Streaming processor
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Yves: seems no real way for complex XPath expressions streaming
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action: Yves to start cleaning up the wiki
16:43:23 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-92 - Start cleaning up the wiki [on Yves Savourel - due 2008-12-30].
16:43:50 [fsasaki]
AI Felix to create a wiki page with overview of work items - dropped
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topic: AOB
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Yves: have a great holiday!
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I18N_ITS IG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, [SAP], Christian, +420.4.811.2.aaaa, Jirka
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I have made the request to generate fsasaki
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I see 4 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: Felix to review widget spec [1]
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ACTION: Felix to look at OWL [2]
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ACTION: Yves to call Kara Warburton asking for the latest ISO draft [3]
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ACTION: Yves to start cleaning up the wiki [4]
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16:47:01 [fsasaki]
zakim, bye
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