IRC log of rdfa on 2008-12-18

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bringing Mark up to speed on the @prefix discussion from last week
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... no need to confuse things with prefix="=u1"
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Mark: agree on this need not to confuse things with prefix="=u1"
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... agree on concept of prefix="p1=u1 p2=u2", but may argue about specific attribute name, a bit uncomfortable with = inside attr
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Ben: colon instead?
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Shane: hah!
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... don't know that anyone's had this particular assignment problem before.
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... XSLT?
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Mark: they don't use "="
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... schemaLocation? space-separated values
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Mark: haven't finished the "bundle idea" writeup. Not until new year.
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typeof="vcard Agent"
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<span property="title">Dr</span>
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<span property="fn">Ivan Herman</span>
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<a rel="url" href=""
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>Ivan Herman's homepage</a>
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16:20:58 [benadida]
Ben: talked last time about using RDF to map tokens to full URLs
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Mark: yes, see example above
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... critics will say that this looks too complicated.
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... so take xmlns declarations out into different document.
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Ben: worried about how existing RDFa might generate new triples later.
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Mark: don't have a problem with a different syntax, as long as we have this tokenization approach.
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ack Shane
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Mark: could be a feature of only @prefix or @token
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Shane: is there a follow-your-nose story here?
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Mark: still working on that.
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... trying to make it as close to microformats as possible, but they're not completely consistent.
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... trying to leverage existing microformat work + XDMP
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Shane: description of a way to do this with extended XMDP mechanism
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... on wiki
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Mark: would be good to have a full follow your nose
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Ben: I like the idea that a single attribute would provide both the ability to define prefixes without xmlns *and* the new token feature for bundles of terms
16:34:09 [markbirbeck]
a:b a x:y .
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Mark: if you know the context of something, then why bother with a:b.
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... letter a is fine if you've got context.
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... it's good to move away from the qname world to a token-mapping world.
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... maybe a good reason to call it @token rather than @prefix.
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Topic: email issues
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recursion when datatype is xmlliteral
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CONSENSUS: we agree that when datatype is plain, recursion continues, when datatype is xmlliteral, recursion stops.
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@about on head
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problematic example:
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<html about="#foo">
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<head><link rel=...></head>
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"If no URI is provided by a resource attribute, then the first match from the following rules will apply:
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if the element is the head or body element then act as if there is an empty @about present, and process it according to the rule for @about, above;"
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In 5.5
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step 4
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<html about="">
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absolute-URI = scheme ":" hier-part [ "?" query ]
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ACTION: Mark to review reasoning on setting explicit about="" on HEAD and BODY
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rrsagent, this is rdfa
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'this is rdfa', benadida. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were McCarron, Ben_Adida, markbirbeck, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM
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rrsagent, what are the action items?
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ACTION: Mark to review reasoning on setting explicit about="" on HEAD and BODY [1]
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Meeting: RDFa Task Force
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ACTION: Mark to review reasoning on setting explicit about="" on HEAD and BODY
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add public-rdfa examples to wiki and think of slightly improved top-level organization [recorded in]
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in]
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[PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in]
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rrsagent, list actions
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I see 2 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: Mark to review reasoning on setting explicit about="" on HEAD and BODY [1]
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ACTION: Mark to review reasoning on setting explicit about="" on HEAD and BODY [2]
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recorded in
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[PENDING] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in]
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[PENDING] ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in]
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[PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded in]
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[PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in]
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[PENDING] ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in]
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[PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in]
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[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in]
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in]
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