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16:57:58 Zakim, this will be HTML
16:57:58 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
16:57:59 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:57:59 Date: 18 December 2008
16:58:11 Zakim, what's the code?
16:58:11 the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Julian
16:58:31 HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
16:58:38 +Sam
16:58:41 hey i'm up at the time of the telecon
16:58:49 + +49.251.280.aaaa
16:59:08 Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
16:59:08 +Julian; got it
16:59:51 Zakim, call Mike
16:59:51 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:59:53 +Mike
17:00:06 Zakim, Mike is MikeSmith
17:00:06 +MikeSmith; got it
17:00:16 +Ian_Hickson
17:00:20 Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:00:20 On the phone I see Sam, Julian, MikeSmith, Ian_Hickson
17:00:26 +??P10
17:00:40 zakim, ??P10 is Joshue
17:00:40 +Joshue; got it
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17:01:00 Zakim, I am Ian_Hickson
17:01:00 ok, Hixie, I now associate you with Ian_Hickson
17:01:30 Topic: Agenda review
17:01:42 scribenick: MikeSmith
17:02:23 + +1.484.802.aabb
17:02:31 Zakim, +1.484.802.aabb is me
17:02:31 +smedero; got it
17:02:39 Zakim, mute me
17:02:40 smedero should now be muted
17:02:45 MikeSmith: any suggestions for agenda to add?
17:02:53 I don't...
17:02:53 [nothing to add]
17:03:06 Topic: General sync-up
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17:03:50 Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:03:50 On the phone I see Sam, Julian, MikeSmith, Ian_Hickson (muted), Joshue, smedero (muted)
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17:04:38 DanC: can you call in for a bit?
17:04:47 Zakim, call DanC-work
17:04:47 ok, DanC; the call is being made
17:04:48 +DanC
17:05:05 +Cynthia_Shelly
17:05:36 Topic: HTML WG chair evolution
17:06:08 q?
17:06:27 regrets+ ChrisW
17:06:38 Thanks, Joshue: Sam will need it. :-)
17:06:38 regrets+ Gregory
17:06:56 q+
17:06:59 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Dec/0145.html Sam Ruby appointed co-chair for HTML Working Group, effective January 5 Michael(tm) Smith (Monday, 15 December)
17:07:00 Title: Sam Ruby appointed co-chair for HTML Working Group, effective January 5 from Michael(tm) Smith on 2008-12-15 (public-html@w3.org from December 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
17:07:02 ack Julian
17:07:19 Mike: DanC, what do you know about your participation going forward?
17:07:40 Julian: Sam blogged about the relationship with the XHTML2 WG, maybe can say a bit about that.
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17:07:49 DanC: it looks like I'll get funding to keep doing HTML 5 work, but can't give details yet
17:08:04 agenda + overlap with XHTML 2 WG (issue-nn)
17:08:27 rubys: Philippe Le Hegeart said that there was no overlap, but there clearly is overlap
17:08:32 Is this still hanging in the air, MikeSmith: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/62
17:08:33 Title: ACTION-62 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:08:56 agenda + overlap with XHTML 2 WG (issue-52)
17:08:58 ... proceeding with the position that there is no overlap [is not realistic]
17:09:10 agenda -1
17:09:12 Zakim, take up item 2
17:09:12 agendum 2. "overlap with XHTML 2 WG (issue-52)" taken up [from DanC]
17:09:15 q+
17:09:32 q+ to observe overlap in (a) namespace (b) mime type (c) brand name
17:09:41 rubys: clearly there is overlap because of the namespace
17:09:43 q?
17:10:08 regrets+ RobinBerjon
17:10:12 q+ to state that incompaitble syntax for @rel is being defined (QName vs Cuie vs String/URI)
17:10:51 issue-52?
17:10:51 rubys: I will object if I hear someone assert again that there is no overlap.
17:10:52 ISSUE-52 -- Resolve XHTML2 WG objections to language in HTML5 draft regarding XHTML1 -- OPEN
17:10:52 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/52
17:10:53 Title: ISSUE-52 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:11:02 rubys: my intent is to spend most of my time on HTML5
17:11:18 ... I think the groups should either be merged or the overlap eliminated.
17:11:21 ack Julian
17:11:21 Julian, you wanted to state that incompaitble syntax for @rel is being defined (QName vs Cuie vs String/URI)
17:11:54 Julian: we have 2 groups that have come up with 3 incompatible syntaxes for @rel
17:12:12 rubys, yeah, agreed. seems like solving that problem solves the problem you mentioned automatically though, which is why it's relevant.
17:12:13 (we have another issue specifically on rel...)
17:12:18 issue-27?
17:12:19 ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- RAISED
17:12:19 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
17:12:20 Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:12:20 ack DanC
17:12:20 DanC, you wanted to observe overlap in (a) namespace (b) mime type (c) brand name
17:12:27 DanC, If you are looking for it ISSUE-60 is the one dealing with the XHTML namespace...
17:12:37 DanC: the 1999 namespace is certainly overlap
17:13:21 DanC: but beyond that, there is certainly the brand name
17:14:24 (overlap is discussed in the "architectural vision" thingy from March 2007 cited from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/#charter )
17:14:26 Title: W3C HTML Working Group (at www.w3.org)
17:14:52 action-62?
17:14:52 ACTION-62 -- Michael(tm) Smith to get XHTML 2 WG response to edits around name of XML serialization -- due 2008-12-04 -- OPEN
17:14:52 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/62
17:14:54 Title: ACTION-62 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:15:11 . action-62 due xyz
17:15:12 I can do it
17:15:12 danc, the w3c also publicly mentioned the branding issue in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/html-pressrelease (fwiw)
17:15:13 Title: W3C Relaunches HTML Activity (at www.w3.org)
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17:15:27 yes, there's that too, Hixie
17:15:31 action-62 due next month
17:15:31 ACTION-62 get XHTML 2 WG response to edits around name of XML serialization due date now next month
17:15:47 q?
17:15:55 seems to have worked
17:15:55 action-62?
17:15:55 ACTION-62 -- Michael(tm) Smith to get XHTML 2 WG response to edits around name of XML serialization -- due 2009-01-18 -- OPEN
17:15:55 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/62
17:15:56 "2009-01-18"
17:15:56 Title: ACTION-62 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:16:33 agenda + Ian's status thingy
17:16:51 URL for the message from Hixie?
17:16:56 http://www.whatwg.org/status-2008-12
17:17:00 http://www.whatwg.org/status-2008-12
17:17:04 thanks
17:17:19 news to me: "- content sniffing to ietf (maybe adam barth as editor?)
17:17:19 "
17:17:35 hold on
17:17:39 Zakim, unmute me
17:17:39 Ian_Hickson should no longer be muted
17:17:59 DanC: it was news to me that Adam Barth is interested in the content-type sniffing stuff
17:18:11 Hixie: he's sent mail about it.. it's a maybe
17:18:34 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2008Oct/0005.html # Content sniffing data from Chrome Dan Connolly (Friday, 24 October)
17:18:35 Title: Content sniffing data from Chrome from Dan Connolly on 2008-10-24 (public-html-comments@w3.org from October 2008) (at lists.w3.org)
17:18:54 ^ Adam Barth's work
17:20:09 q+ to observe "Last Call Working Draft in October 2009" and suggest trying that on the homepage
17:20:43 q?
17:21:03 (on RDFa and data- attributes, we haven't made a tracker issue out of that; I wonder if that's worth doing)
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17:21:19 +[Apple]
17:21:19 issue-14?
17:21:19 ISSUE-14 -- Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 -- RAISED
17:21:19 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/14
17:21:20 Title: ISSUE-14 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:21:31 zakim , [Apple] has dsinger
17:21:37 present+ DaveSinger
17:21:53 agenda?
17:21:53 zakim, [Apple] has dsinger
17:21:54 +q
17:21:55 +dsinger; got it
17:22:02 ack danc
17:22:02 DanC, you wanted to observe "Last Call Working Draft in October 2009" and suggest trying that on the homepage
17:22:57 q?
17:23:10 ack Joshue
17:23:21 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/20
17:23:22 Title: ISSUE-20 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:23:28 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/76
17:23:30 Title: ACTION-76 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:23:52 issue-32?
17:23:52 ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- OPEN
17:23:52 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
17:23:53 Title: ISSUE-32 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:23:55 Joshue: a couple of things that are outstanding are the td/th @headers and table @summary
17:23:58 should i delay?
17:24:13 Hixie: no, I think would be good to go ahead
17:24:14 good stuff Ian
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17:25:09 Joshue: there was a response from the PF recently
17:25:18 http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE
17:25:20 Title: HTML/SummaryForTABLE - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
17:25:20 (tracker thinks ChrisW has the ball on summary... action-76)
17:25:54 Joshue: that's a distilled overview of why we think @summary is important
17:26:24 q?
17:26:44 (taking a quick look at SummaryForTABLE , it seems to do better with NPOV than other summaries. nice.)
17:26:51 happy hols, everyone!! byee......
17:27:05 -Joshue
17:27:05 *
17:27:05 HTML/SummaryForTABLE (last edited 2008-11-24 12:35:42
17:27:08 [adjourned]
17:27:12 -Cynthia_Shelly
17:27:13 -[Apple]
17:27:13 -Ian_Hickson
17:27:15 -Sam
17:27:17 -Julian
17:27:21 -smedero
17:27:22 Zakim, drop Mike
17:27:22 MikeSmith is being disconnected
17:27:23 -MikeSmith
17:27:36 RRSAgent, please make minutes
17:27:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/18-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
17:28:44 http://www.whatwg.org/issues/data.html
17:28:45 Title: Issues Graph (at www.whatwg.org)
17:31:35 http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/sets/72157594388426362/detail/
17:31:36 Title: HTTP errors - a set on Flickr (at www.flickr.com)
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17:36:15 http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-December/017884.html
17:36:17 Title: [whatwg] XSLT and DOCTYPES (at lists.whatwg.org)
17:37:02 3Julian: ↑
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18:11:07 (much belated regrets, residing in Moscow atm)
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18:14:05 anne: we had a short call anyway
18:14:29 ok
18:14:50 not sure when I'm normally available again, might be January, could be February
18:32:58 OK
18:35:00 disconnecting the lone participant, DanC, in HTML_WG()12:00PM
18:35:01 HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
18:35:03 Attendees were Sam, Julian, MikeSmith, Ian_Hickson, Joshue, smedero, DanC, Cynthia_Shelly, dsinger
18:53:27 planet: This week in HTML 5 - Episode 16 <11http://blog.whatwg.org/this-week-in-html-5-episode-16>
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19:36:42 MikeSmith: thanks for the pointer, I already replied to it.
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22:27:07 marcos: ping
22:44:35 gsnedders: pong
22:44:45 marcos: You ever get anolis locally?
22:45:01 gsnedders: tried...
22:45:07 marcos: OK, it should be simpler :P
22:45:20 marcos: Download it, and run the installer
22:45:26 woot!
22:45:38 will it download all the dependencies?
22:45:42 yup
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22:51:27 gsnedders: errors :(
22:51:34 you want me to email them to you?
23:00:42 marcos: plz
23:00:55 marcos: did you run it as root?
23:00:55 gsnedders: what's yer email addy?
23:01:01 gsnedders: yep
23:01:02 marcos: me@gsnedders.com
23:01:16 (Running code from strangers on the internet as root is a great idea!)
23:01:36 Philip: How about running code from people you've met in person as root?
23:02:05 Philip: me and the g man go way back!
23:02:19 gsnedders: The person on the internet claiming to be the person you've met in person might actually be a different person
23:02:43 Yeah, this Gregory as timbl called him is rather odd.
23:03:53 marcos: gcc -v?
23:04:20 Using built-in specs.
23:04:20 Target: i686-apple-darwin9
23:04:21 Configured with: /var/tmp/gcc/gcc-5488~2/src/configure --disable-checking -enable-werror --prefix=/usr --mandir=/share/man --enable-languages=c,objc,c++,obj-c++ --program-transform-name=/^[cg][^.-]*$/s/$/-4.0/ --with-gxx-include-dir=/include/c++/4.0.0 --with-slibdir=/usr/lib --build=i686-apple-darwin9 --with-arch=apple --with-tune=generic --host=i686-apple-darwin9 --target=i686-apple-darwin9
23:04:21 Thread model: posix
23:04:22 gcc version 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5488)
23:04:34 Oh, actually, it's probably outdated libxml
23:05:21 um, ok.
23:06:06 marcos: xmllint --version?
23:06:29 xmllint: using libxml version 20616
23:06:29