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16:57:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SJMS
16:57:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
16:57:41 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
16:57:41 <trackbot> Date: 16 December 2008
16:57:59 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008Dec/0014.html
16:58:17 <Roland> Chair: Roland
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16:59:26 <alewis> trackbot, start telcon
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16:59:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SJMS
16:59:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
16:59:31 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
16:59:31 <trackbot> Date: 16 December 2008
17:00:38 <Roland> Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
17:00:38 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
17:02:53 <Zakim> +Yves
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17:03:35 <Zakim> +Peter_Easton
17:03:47 <Zakim> + +0196270aabb
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17:06:12 <Roland> Regrets: Phil
17:06:18 <mphillip> Topic: FAQ
17:06:23 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/wiki/2008-09_FAQ
17:07:40 <mphillip> Roland: Is "Why is WS-Addressing out of scope for SOAP-JMS Binding specification? " the right question 
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17:08:40 <mphillip> Bhakti: Some of the points in the FAQ entry are taken from the questions on the mailing list.  If we re-phrase the question we may need to rephrase the answer
17:09:22 <Zakim> + +1.650.846.aadd
17:09:46 <eric> Zakim, aadd is eric
17:09:46 <Zakim> +eric; got it
17:10:45 <mphillip> Roland: The SOAP/JMS binding is analagous to the SOAP/HTTP binding which does not mention WS-Addressing
17:12:02 <mphillip> Peter: SOAP/JMS is much more asynchronous than HTTP, but it does boild down to providing the transport - replies with correllation IDs are like the HTTP anonymous back channe
17:12:59 <mphillip> Roland:  We could have 2 questions i.e. - "Why is there no mention to WS-Addressing in the SOAP/JMS Binding Spec?" and  "How would WS-Addressing relate to SOAP/JMS?"
17:13:08 <mphillip> Eric "Where does WS-Addressing fit?"
17:13:23 <mphillip> Peter: Agreed - sounds like a good question
17:14:04 <mphillip> Yves: WS-Addressing happens at the application level - it is application specific, whereas SOAP/JMS happens lower at the transport layer
17:15:22 <mphillip> Eric: We *could* specify how WS-A maps to SOAP/JMS but we don't need to put that in our specification - it should be specified elsewhere.  Probably worth suggesting that the anonymous back channel maps to the SOAP/JMS ReplyTo mechanism in the FAQ
17:16:44 <mphillip> Yves: Maybe say that It is possible to map WSA to SOAP/JMS, but it is never possible to map SOAP/JMS to WSA
17:18:17 <mphillip> Eric: MediaWiki has discussion pages so we can discuss this in the Wiki.  Could send emails inviting people to contribute
17:18:53 <mphillip> Roland: Could all members of the working group be added to the Wiki please?
17:19:25 <mphillip> Yves: If all WG members create Wiki IDs then Yves will grant them the necessary permissions
17:21:17 <mphillip> Action peaston to Add answer to FAQ on how to use WSA anonymous and JMS ReplyTo 
17:21:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - Add answer to FAQ on how to use WSA anonymous and JMS ReplyTo  [on Peter Easton - due 2008-12-23].
17:23:25 <mphillip> Roland: In the new year we will send a message to the mailing list inviting readers to join the debate on the Wiki
17:24:07 <mphillip> Topic: URI Specification
17:24:19 <mphillip> Topic: Testing 
17:24:53 <Roland> http://dev.w3.org/2008/ws/soapjms/testcases/testcases/testcases.html
17:25:19 <mphillip> Peter: This adds some detail to the cases Phil put together
17:25:51 <mphillip> Peter: It covers each of the fault types SOAP1.1 and 1.2
17:26:51 <mphillip> Peter: A lot of the XML behind the tests is very boiler-plate
17:26:54 <Roland> http://dev.w3.org/2008/ws/soapjms/testcases/assertions/assertions.html
17:29:16 <mphillip> Eric: We have two tests reporting unsupported JMS message format - for SOAP1.1 and SOAP 1.2.  I am worried about the explosion of the text matrix - one of these seems redudant
17:30:28 <mphillip> Eric: We could end up with 4 test for each combination of SOAP 1.1, 1.2 TextMessage and BytesMessage.  We should use our judgement to determine whether all the tests are required
17:30:37 <mphillip> Peter: Agreed
17:30:42 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/open
17:31:03 <mphillip> close action-51
17:31:03 <trackbot> ACTION-51 Add a test case. closed
17:31:14 <mphillip> close action-19
17:31:14 <trackbot> ACTION-19 Write up an answer to the question of WS-Addressing. closed
17:32:02 <mphillip> Topic: URI specification
17:33:14 <mphillip> Roland: had contact from Cisco, suggested they would contact Eric directly
17:33:51 <mphillip> Bhakti: Contacted Chris Newman from Sun who has said he would review and give suggestions
17:34:41 <mphillip> Eric:  Was cc'ed on emails between members of the IETF.  Eric will forward to the mailing list.
17:35:41 <mphillip> Eric: Lisa De Salls(sp?) has offered to look at the draft
17:35:54 <mphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008Dec/0016.html
17:36:12 <Yves> s/De Salls(sp?)/Dusseault/
17:36:15 <mphillip> s/De Salls/Lisa Dusseault/
17:37:05 <mphillip> (thanks Yves)
17:38:05 <mphillip> Bhakti: Will chase up Chris 
17:38:20 <mphillip> Topic: Next Call
17:38:38 <alewis> +1
17:39:03 <mphillip> Roland: Will be away for two weeks - propose next call on the 6th January 2009
17:39:14 <mphillip> +1
17:39:23 <mphillip> all agree
17:40:04 <mphillip> RESOLUTION: Next call 6th January 2009
17:40:09 <mphillip> Topic: AOB
17:40:23 <mphillip> none
17:40:36 <Zakim> -eric
17:40:38 <Zakim> - +0196270aabb
17:40:39 <Zakim> - +1.408.956.aacc
17:40:39 <Zakim> -Peter_Easton
17:40:41 <Zakim> -alewis
17:40:48 <Zakim> -Yves
17:40:53 <mphillip> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:40:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-soap-jms-minutes.html mphillip
17:41:45 <Zakim> -Roland
17:41:46 <Zakim> WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended
17:41:47 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.919.663.aaaa, alewis, Roland, Yves, Peter_Easton, +0196270aabb, +1.408.956.aacc, +1.650.846.aadd, eric
17:41:58 <Roland> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:41:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland
17:47:43 <Roland> Zakim, aa is alewis
17:47:43 <Zakim> sorry, Roland, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'
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