IRC log of soap-jms on 2008-12-16

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logging to
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be SJMS
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 16 December 2008
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Chair: Roland
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trackbot, start telcon
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Zakim, this will be SJMS
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 16 December 2008
17:00:38 [Roland]
Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
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+Roland; got it
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+ +0196270aabb
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+ +1.408.956.aacc
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Regrets: Phil
17:06:18 [mphillip]
Topic: FAQ
17:06:23 [Roland]
17:07:40 [mphillip]
Roland: Is "Why is WS-Addressing out of scope for SOAP-JMS Binding specification? " the right question
17:08:31 [eric]
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17:08:40 [mphillip]
Bhakti: Some of the points in the FAQ entry are taken from the questions on the mailing list. If we re-phrase the question we may need to rephrase the answer
17:09:22 [Zakim]
+ +1.650.846.aadd
17:09:46 [eric]
Zakim, aadd is eric
17:09:46 [Zakim]
+eric; got it
17:10:45 [mphillip]
Roland: The SOAP/JMS binding is analagous to the SOAP/HTTP binding which does not mention WS-Addressing
17:12:02 [mphillip]
Peter: SOAP/JMS is much more asynchronous than HTTP, but it does boild down to providing the transport - replies with correllation IDs are like the HTTP anonymous back channe
17:12:59 [mphillip]
Roland: We could have 2 questions i.e. - "Why is there no mention to WS-Addressing in the SOAP/JMS Binding Spec?" and "How would WS-Addressing relate to SOAP/JMS?"
17:13:08 [mphillip]
Eric "Where does WS-Addressing fit?"
17:13:23 [mphillip]
Peter: Agreed - sounds like a good question
17:14:04 [mphillip]
Yves: WS-Addressing happens at the application level - it is application specific, whereas SOAP/JMS happens lower at the transport layer
17:15:22 [mphillip]
Eric: We *could* specify how WS-A maps to SOAP/JMS but we don't need to put that in our specification - it should be specified elsewhere. Probably worth suggesting that the anonymous back channel maps to the SOAP/JMS ReplyTo mechanism in the FAQ
17:16:44 [mphillip]
Yves: Maybe say that It is possible to map WSA to SOAP/JMS, but it is never possible to map SOAP/JMS to WSA
17:18:17 [mphillip]
Eric: MediaWiki has discussion pages so we can discuss this in the Wiki. Could send emails inviting people to contribute
17:18:53 [mphillip]
Roland: Could all members of the working group be added to the Wiki please?
17:19:25 [mphillip]
Yves: If all WG members create Wiki IDs then Yves will grant them the necessary permissions
17:21:17 [mphillip]
Action peaston to Add answer to FAQ on how to use WSA anonymous and JMS ReplyTo
17:21:18 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-56 - Add answer to FAQ on how to use WSA anonymous and JMS ReplyTo [on Peter Easton - due 2008-12-23].
17:23:25 [mphillip]
Roland: In the new year we will send a message to the mailing list inviting readers to join the debate on the Wiki
17:24:07 [mphillip]
Topic: URI Specification
17:24:19 [mphillip]
Topic: Testing
17:24:53 [Roland]
17:25:19 [mphillip]
Peter: This adds some detail to the cases Phil put together
17:25:51 [mphillip]
Peter: It covers each of the fault types SOAP1.1 and 1.2
17:26:51 [mphillip]
Peter: A lot of the XML behind the tests is very boiler-plate
17:26:54 [Roland]
17:29:16 [mphillip]
Eric: We have two tests reporting unsupported JMS message format - for SOAP1.1 and SOAP 1.2. I am worried about the explosion of the text matrix - one of these seems redudant
17:30:28 [mphillip]
Eric: We could end up with 4 test for each combination of SOAP 1.1, 1.2 TextMessage and BytesMessage. We should use our judgement to determine whether all the tests are required
17:30:37 [mphillip]
Peter: Agreed
17:30:42 [Roland]
17:31:03 [mphillip]
close action-51
17:31:03 [trackbot]
ACTION-51 Add a test case. closed
17:31:14 [mphillip]
close action-19
17:31:14 [trackbot]
ACTION-19 Write up an answer to the question of WS-Addressing. closed
17:32:02 [mphillip]
Topic: URI specification
17:33:14 [mphillip]
Roland: had contact from Cisco, suggested they would contact Eric directly
17:33:51 [mphillip]
Bhakti: Contacted Chris Newman from Sun who has said he would review and give suggestions
17:34:41 [mphillip]
Eric: Was cc'ed on emails between members of the IETF. Eric will forward to the mailing list.
17:35:41 [mphillip]
Eric: Lisa De Salls(sp?) has offered to look at the draft
17:35:54 [mphillip]
17:36:12 [Yves]
s/De Salls(sp?)/Dusseault/
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s/De Salls/Lisa Dusseault/
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(thanks Yves)
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Bhakti: Will chase up Chris
17:38:20 [mphillip]
Topic: Next Call
17:38:38 [alewis]
17:39:03 [mphillip]
Roland: Will be away for two weeks - propose next call on the 6th January 2009
17:39:14 [mphillip]
17:39:23 [mphillip]
all agree
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RESOLUTION: Next call 6th January 2009
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Topic: AOB
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- +0196270aabb
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- +1.408.956.aacc
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17:40:53 [mphillip]
rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate mphillip
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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.919.663.aaaa, alewis, Roland, Yves, Peter_Easton, +0196270aabb, +1.408.956.aacc, +1.650.846.aadd, eric
17:41:58 [Roland]
rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate Roland
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Zakim, aa is alewis
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sorry, Roland, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'
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