IRC log of mediaann on 2008-12-16
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- 12:57:56 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc
- 12:58:00 [fsasaki]
- meeting: MAWG
- 12:58:06 [fsasaki]
- chair: Joakim
- 12:58:41 [tobias]
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Dec/0031.html
- 13:00:08 [thierry]
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- 13:01:31 [Zakim]
- +Felix
- 13:01:37 [thierry]
- hello thierry joined
- 13:01:56 [joakim]
- we are four on bridge!?
- 13:01:59 [pchampin]
- apparently my mic is not working :(
- 13:02:18 [Zakim]
- + +43.316.876.aadd
- 13:02:18 [Zakim]
- - +95177aabb
- 13:02:18 [pchampin]
- I'm on the phone as well
- 13:02:19 [hui]
- sorry that i can only follow irc today.
- 13:02:21 [fsasaki]
- present: Davy, Wonsuk, Joakim, Tobias, Felix
- 13:02:28 [fsasaki]
- present+ Werner
- 13:02:35 [pchampin]
- but my mic seems to be not working
- 13:02:41 [wbailer]
- Zakim, aadd is Werner
- 13:02:42 [Zakim]
- +Werner; got it
- 13:03:01 [joakim]
- zakim, who is noicy?
- 13:03:01 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, joakim.
- 13:03:11 [joakim]
- zakim, who is here
- 13:03:11 [Zakim]
- joakim, you need to end that query with '?'
- 13:03:15 [joakim]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:03:15 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Joakim, +2, +7.233.aacc, davy, Felix, Werner
- 13:03:16 [fsasaki]
- present+ Pierre-Antoine
- 13:03:16 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see thierry, tobias, RRSAgent, wbailer, pchampin, davy, joakim, hui, Zakim, fsasaki, wonsuk, trackbot
- 13:03:23 [Zakim]
- + +96003aaee
- 13:03:42 [fsasaki]
- present+ Thierry
- 13:04:09 [thierry]
- zakim, mute thierry
- 13:04:09 [Zakim]
- thierry should now be muted
- 13:04:23 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose thierry (muted)
- 13:04:44 [thierry]
- zakim, who is here
- 13:04:44 [Zakim]
- thierry, you need to end that query with '?'
- 13:04:59 [joakim]
- scrive: tobias
- 13:05:01 [thierry]
- zakim, who is here
- 13:05:01 [Zakim]
- thierry, you need to end that query with '?'
- 13:05:04 [fsasaki]
- scribe: tobias
- 13:05:04 [joakim]
- scribe: tobias
- 13:05:09 [thierry]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 13:05:09 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Joakim, +2, +7.233.aacc, davy (muted), Felix, Werner, thierry (muted)
- 13:05:11 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see thierry, tobias, RRSAgent, wbailer, pchampin, davy, joakim, hui, Zakim, fsasaki, wonsuk, trackbot
- 13:05:20 [fsasaki]
- topic: Agenda review and approval of previous minutes
- 13:05:37 [tobias]
- \me thanks, Felix
- 13:05:42 [joakim]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/12/09-mediaann-minutes.html
- 13:07:06 [tobias]
- Minutes approved.
- 13:07:39 [tobias]
- Next telecon: 6th of January
- 13:08:09 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin
- 13:08:51 [davy]
- I can scribe
- 13:09:00 [tobias]
- Scribe for the next telecon: Davy
- 13:09:24 [tobias]
- Calling schedule: 13 o'clock UTC every tuesday
- 13:09:29 [fsasaki]
- topic: action items
- 13:09:40 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
- 13:10:05 [thierry]
- Now all calls are at 13h00 UTC ?
- 13:10:22 [thierry]
- No more late evening calls ( for me)
- 13:10:40 [tobias]
- Felix will ask Raphael to put the MMSEM WIKI contents in the Mediaann wiki
- 13:10:51 [Zakim]
- + +95177aaff
- 13:11:02 [fsasaki]
- close ACTION-22
- 13:11:03 [trackbot]
- ACTION-22 Go back to Karen and check about " IPTV metadata specification" - what is it, is it available for us? closed
- 13:11:09 [fsasaki]
- close ACTION-33
- 13:11:09 [trackbot]
- ACTION-33 Evaluate if contact to IPTV Japan is valuable closed
- 13:12:18 [tobias]
- ACTION-43 is still pending
- 13:12:27 [tobias]
- ACTION-44 is still pending
- 13:12:55 [tobias]
- ACTION-45: Joakim had initial talks but has to get more information
- 13:12:55 [trackbot]
- ACTION-45 Look at how sony ericsson uses xmp notes added
- 13:13:11 [tobias]
- ACTION-45 is still pending
- 13:14:15 [tobias]
- ACTION-46 is still pending
- 13:14:47 [tobias]
- ACTION-47: Werner had a quick check with colleagues, but needs to get more information
- 13:14:47 [trackbot]
- ACTION-47 And Frank to investiage existing approach for setting metadata on a "metamodel level" (or "ontology level") notes added
- 13:14:59 [tobias]
- ACTION-47 is still pending
- 13:15:24 [tobias]
- ACTION-48: Felix will do that on Friday
- 13:15:24 [trackbot]
- ACTION-48 Send pointer to media fragments WG for review of uc&req doc, when it is ready notes added
- 13:15:37 [tobias]
- ACTION-49 is still pending
- 13:15:54 [fsasaki]
- close ACTION-50
- 13:15:54 [trackbot]
- ACTION-50 and Veronique and Hui to update the CH UC following the pattern of e.g. 2.6, 2.7 etc. closed
- 13:16:04 [hui]
- i've a question about the action 50.
- 13:16:08 [hui]
- daniel told me to update recommendation UC. however this action said CH UC. now the CH UC is updated. shall we update the recommend uc ?
- 13:16:30 [hui]
- sorry i can follow irc today.
- 13:16:35 [tobias]
- ACTION-50: Werner and Veronique chenged the text and sent updates to Hui to update the requirements document
- 13:16:35 [trackbot]
- ACTION-50 and Veronique and Hui to update the CH UC following the pattern of e.g. 2.6, 2.7 etc. notes added
- 13:17:07 [tobias]
- ACTION-50: Still some discussion is needed (Werner Bailer)
- 13:17:07 [trackbot]
- ACTION-50 and Veronique and Hui to update the CH UC following the pattern of e.g. 2.6, 2.7 etc. notes added
- 13:18:02 [tobias]
- ACTION-51 is still pending
- 13:19:09 [tobias]
- ACTION-52 is still pending
- 13:19:51 [tobias]
- ACTION-53: Joakim had some problems with editing, will be solved together with Felix
- 13:19:51 [trackbot]
- ACTION-53 Revise the introduction, using material from the "video" UC section notes added
- 13:20:07 [tobias]
- ACTION-53 is still pending
- 13:20:49 [tobias]
- ACTION-54 is still pending; no information available from Frank
- 13:21:18 [tobias]
- ACTION-55 is still pending; no information available from Victor
- 13:21:35 [fsasaki]
- close ACTION-56
- 13:21:35 [trackbot]
- ACTION-56 Create text for r06-r11 until Monday and send it to the list closed
- 13:21:54 [fsasaki]
- plh = Philippe Le Hegaret
- 13:22:28 [fsasaki]
- zakim, unmute thierry
- 13:22:28 [Zakim]
- thierry should no longer be muted
- 13:23:20 [tobias]
- ACTION-57: Question is to publish a working group note or a working draft (Thierry); Thierry will contact plh and resolve this issue by tomorrow
- 13:23:20 [trackbot]
- ACTION-57 Check with plh how he wants us to move the requirements document forward notes added
- 13:24:13 [fsasaki]
- topic: cultural heritage UC update
- 13:24:26 [wonsuk]
- http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html#uc-cultural-heritage-institutions
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- 13:24:55 [thierry]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:24:55 [Zakim]
- thierry should now be muted
- 13:25:11 [tobias]
- Werner: Archivists typically use a strict vocabulary for annotation content (thesauri, controlled vocabularies, etc.)
- 13:25:32 [tobias]
- Werner: We should keep this within our vocabulary, i.e. to keep a reference to the thesauri used.
- 13:25:43 [tobias]
- Werner: This could be a relevant requirement for other use cases, too.
- 13:26:19 [tobias]
- Werner: There should be the option to pointing to an entity and not just a value.
- 13:28:29 [tobias]
- Werner: Controlled vocabulary for describing content is typically used to identify a person/location/genre
- 13:29:29 [tobias]
- Felix: One solution could use two fields one to point to an URI, the second to identify the thesaurus you use.
- 13:30:18 [fsasaki]
- choices: 1)string 2) URI only to identify vocabulary and the part in question 3) string + URI (URI for identifying vocabularies)
- 13:31:42 [pchampin]
- we can have
- 13:31:45 [tobias]
- Felix: The question is: should each of them be possible? If all would be supported would mean: more freedom for use, but additional burden on the application;
- 13:31:54 [pchampin]
- a string with en embedded URI
- 13:32:26 [pchampin]
- e.g.
- 13:32:41 [pchampin]
- "Pierre-Antoine <pchampin@liris.cnrs.fr>"
- 13:32:56 [pchampin]
- this could be displayed
- 13:33:00 [pchampin]
- not of we require
- 13:33:07 [pchampin]
- that the URI should be inside < >
- 13:33:34 [pchampin]
- applications could not bother
- 13:33:39 [pchampin]
- and display the whole string
- 13:33:41 [tobias]
- Felix: There should be a clear way to delimit what is a string and what an URI
- 13:33:47 [pchampin]
- which is reasonably readable
- 13:33:48 [tobias]
- Werner: There should be two fields.
- 13:34:57 [pchampin]
- returning a variable type is also harder to cope with
- 13:35:03 [pchampin]
- for applications
- 13:35:46 [Zakim]
- - +95177aaff
- 13:36:11 [Zakim]
- + +95177aagg
- 13:36:18 [tobias]
- Felix: We should add this as an additional requirement
- 13:36:34 [tobias]
- ACTION: Felix to add this issue as an additional requirement
- 13:36:34 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-58 - Add this issue as an additional requirement [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-12-23].
- 13:38:46 [pchampin]
- a json object is basically a list or a dictionary
- 13:38:58 [pchampin]
- as a dict, it can contain any key
- 13:40:27 [pchampin]
- ok
- 13:40:34 [tobias]
- ACTION: Joakim to investigate how the declaration of JSON could provide a solution for our return object
- 13:40:34 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-59 - Investigate how the declaration of JSON could provide a solution for our return object [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2008-12-23].
- 13:40:37 [wbailer]
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- 13:40:51 [fsasaki]
- tobias: I give just one return value - URI
- 13:41:22 [tobias]
- ACTION: Felix to ask Chris about the question of heterogeneous return values
- 13:41:22 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-60 - Ask Chris about the question of heterogeneous return values [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-12-23].
- 13:41:56 [joakim]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping
- 13:42:00 [fsasaki]
- topic: metadata mapping tables
- 13:43:18 [tmichel]
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- topic: Schedule for UC & Req deliverable
- 13:43:52 [joakim]
- http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
- 13:45:01 [tobias]
- Felix updated his section, Werner+Veronique updated their sections.
- 13:45:45 [tobias]
- Felix: Tobias has to still send the figure to describe the scope of the working group
- 13:46:06 [tobias]
- Felix would like to include the figure in the requirements document
- 13:46:25 [tmichel]
- zakim, unmute thierry
- 13:46:25 [Zakim]
- thierry should no longer be muted
- 13:47:06 [tobias]
- ACTION Thierry to request short URI for the requirements document
- 13:47:06 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-61 - Request short URI for the requirements document [on Thierry Michel - due 2008-12-23].
- 13:47:20 [tmichel]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:47:20 [Zakim]
- sorry, tmichel, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 13:47:30 [tobias]
- ACTION Thierry to update the status of the requirements document
- 13:47:30 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-62 - Update the status of the requirements document [on Thierry Michel - due 2008-12-23].
- 13:47:59 [fsasaki]
- topic: MPEG - related mail from Victor
- 13:48:02 [tmichel]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:48:02 [Zakim]
- sorry, tmichel, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 13:48:29 [tobias]
- Felix: Is unsure about the relation of MXM and the work of our group.
- 13:49:52 [tobias]
- ACTION Victor to formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group
- 13:49:52 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - Victor
- 13:49:59 [tmichel]
- I am loosing connectivity ...
- 13:50:08 [tobias]
- ACTION Victor2 to formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group
- 13:50:08 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - Victor2
- 13:50:26 [fsasaki]
- action: Víctor to formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group
- 13:50:26 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-63 - Formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group [on Víctor Rodríguez - due 2008-12-23].
- 13:51:48 [joakim]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:51:48 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-minutes.html joakim
- 13:51:50 [Zakim]
- - +95177aagg
- 13:51:51 [tmichel]
- by see you next year ...
- 13:51:52 [Zakim]
- -Werner
- 13:51:54 [Zakim]
- -Felix
- 13:51:55 [Zakim]
- - +2
- 13:52:02 [Zakim]
- -thierry
- 13:52:03 [joakim]
- happy holiday
- 13:52:06 [Zakim]
- - +7.233.aacc
- 13:52:06 [wonsuk]
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- 13:52:10 [pchampin]
- pchampin has left #mediaann
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- davy has left #mediaann
- 13:52:30 [Zakim]
- -davy
- 13:52:47 [Zakim]
- -Joakim
- 13:52:48 [Zakim]
- IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
- 13:52:50 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Joakim, +2, +95177aabb, +7.233.aacc, Felix, +43.316.876.aadd, davy, Werner, +96003aaee, thierry, +95177aaff, +95177aagg
- 13:53:44 [Victor]
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- 13:53:51 [Victor]
- Hello
- 13:53:51 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
- 13:54:56 [Victor]
- isn't it starting in 5 minutes?
- 13:55:01 [Victor]
- ops!
- 13:55:07 [Victor]
- i am one hour late!!!!!!
- 13:57:15 [fsasaki]
- ACTION: Thierry to request short URI for the requirements document
- 13:57:15 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-64 - Request short URI for the requirements document [on Thierry Michel - due 2008-12-23].
- 13:57:20 [joakim]
- Hi Victor, you got an actino point for punishment! :-)
- 13:59:03 [Victor]
- I have just seen it :)
- 13:59:06 [fsasaki]
- close ACTION-64
- 13:59:06 [trackbot]
- ACTION-64 Request short URI for the requirements document closed
- 14:48:33 [fsasaki]
- rrsagent, bye
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-actions.rdf :
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Felix to add this issue as an additional requirement [1]
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc#T13-36-34
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Joakim to investigate how the declaration of JSON could provide a solution for our return object [2]
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc#T13-40-34
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Felix to ask Chris about the question of heterogeneous return values [3]
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc#T13-41-22
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Víctor to formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group [4]
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc#T13-50-26
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Thierry to request short URI for the requirements document [5]
- 14:48:34 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc#T13-57-15
- 14:48:35 [fsasaki]
- zakim, bye
- 14:48:35 [Zakim]
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