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12:58:00 <fsasaki> meeting: MAWG
12:58:06 <fsasaki> chair: Joakim
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12:58:41 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Dec/0031.html
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13:01:31 <Zakim> +Felix
13:01:37 <thierry> hello thierry joined
13:01:56 <joakim> we are four on bridge!?
13:01:59 <pchampin> apparently my mic is not working :(
13:02:18 <Zakim> + +43.316.876.aadd
13:02:18 <Zakim> - +95177aabb
13:02:18 <pchampin> I'm on the phone as well
13:02:19 <hui> sorry that i can only follow irc today.
13:02:21 <fsasaki> present: Davy, Wonsuk, Joakim, Tobias, Felix
13:02:28 <fsasaki> present+ Werner
13:02:35 <pchampin> but my mic seems to be not working
13:02:41 <wbailer> Zakim, aadd is Werner
13:02:42 <Zakim> +Werner; got it
13:03:01 <joakim> zakim, who is noicy?
13:03:01 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, joakim.
13:03:11 <joakim> zakim, who is here
13:03:11 <Zakim> joakim, you need to end that query with '?'
13:03:15 <joakim> zakim, who is here?
13:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joakim, +2, +7.233.aacc, davy, Felix, Werner
13:03:16 <fsasaki> present+ Pierre-Antoine
13:03:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see thierry, tobias, RRSAgent, wbailer, pchampin, davy, joakim, hui, Zakim, fsasaki, wonsuk, trackbot
13:03:23 <Zakim> + +96003aaee
13:03:42 <fsasaki> present+ Thierry
13:04:09 <thierry> zakim, mute thierry
13:04:09 <Zakim> thierry should now be muted
13:04:23 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose thierry (muted)
13:04:44 <thierry> zakim, who is here
13:04:44 <Zakim> thierry, you need to end that query with '?'
13:04:59 <joakim> scrive: tobias
13:05:01 <thierry> zakim, who is here
13:05:01 <Zakim> thierry, you need to end that query with '?'
13:05:04 <fsasaki> scribe: tobias
13:05:04 <joakim> scribe: tobias
13:05:09 <thierry> zakim, who is here ?
13:05:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joakim, +2, +7.233.aacc, davy (muted), Felix, Werner, thierry (muted)
13:05:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see thierry, tobias, RRSAgent, wbailer, pchampin, davy, joakim, hui, Zakim, fsasaki, wonsuk, trackbot
13:05:20 <fsasaki> topic: Agenda review and approval of previous minutes
13:05:37 <tobias> \me thanks, Felix
13:05:42 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/12/09-mediaann-minutes.html
13:07:06 <tobias> Minutes approved.
13:07:39 <tobias> Next telecon: 6th of January
13:08:09 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin
13:08:51 <davy> I can scribe
13:09:00 <tobias> Scribe for the next telecon: Davy
13:09:24 <tobias> Calling schedule: 13 o'clock UTC every tuesday
13:09:29 <fsasaki> topic: action items
13:09:40 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
13:10:05 <thierry> Now all calls are at 13h00 UTC ?
13:10:22 <thierry> No more late evening calls ( for me)
13:10:40 <tobias> Felix will ask Raphael to put the MMSEM WIKI contents in the Mediaann wiki
13:10:51 <Zakim> + +95177aaff
13:11:02 <fsasaki> close ACTION-22
13:11:03 <trackbot> ACTION-22 Go back to Karen and check about " IPTV metadata specification" - what is it, is it available for us? closed
13:11:09 <fsasaki> close ACTION-33
13:11:09 <trackbot> ACTION-33 Evaluate if contact to IPTV Japan is valuable closed
13:12:18 <tobias> ACTION-43 is still pending
13:12:27 <tobias> ACTION-44 is still pending
13:12:55 <tobias> ACTION-45: Joakim had initial talks but has to get more information
13:12:55 <trackbot> ACTION-45 Look at how sony ericsson uses xmp notes added
13:13:11 <tobias> ACTION-45 is still pending
13:14:15 <tobias> ACTION-46 is still pending
13:14:47 <tobias> ACTION-47: Werner had a quick check with colleagues, but needs to get more information
13:14:47 <trackbot> ACTION-47 And Frank to investiage existing approach for setting metadata on a "metamodel level" (or "ontology level") notes added
13:14:59 <tobias> ACTION-47 is still pending
13:15:24 <tobias> ACTION-48: Felix will do that on Friday
13:15:24 <trackbot> ACTION-48 Send pointer to media fragments WG for review of uc&req doc, when it is ready notes added
13:15:37 <tobias> ACTION-49 is still pending
13:15:54 <fsasaki> close ACTION-50
13:15:54 <trackbot> ACTION-50 and Veronique and Hui to update the CH UC following the pattern of e.g. 2.6, 2.7 etc. closed
13:16:04 <hui> i've a question about the action 50. 
13:16:08 <hui> daniel told me to update recommendation UC. however this action said CH UC. now the CH UC is updated. shall we update the recommend uc ?
13:16:30 <hui> sorry i can follow irc today. 
13:16:35 <tobias> ACTION-50: Werner and Veronique chenged the text and sent updates to Hui to update the requirements document
13:16:35 <trackbot> ACTION-50 and Veronique and Hui to update the CH UC following the pattern of e.g. 2.6, 2.7 etc. notes added
13:17:07 <tobias> ACTION-50: Still some discussion is needed (Werner Bailer)
13:17:07 <trackbot> ACTION-50 and Veronique and Hui to update the CH UC following the pattern of e.g. 2.6, 2.7 etc. notes added
13:18:02 <tobias> ACTION-51 is still pending
13:19:09 <tobias> ACTION-52 is still pending
13:19:51 <tobias> ACTION-53: Joakim had some problems with editing, will be solved together with Felix
13:19:51 <trackbot> ACTION-53 Revise the introduction, using material from the "video" UC section notes added
13:20:07 <tobias> ACTION-53 is still pending
13:20:49 <tobias> ACTION-54 is still pending; no information available from Frank
13:21:18 <tobias> ACTION-55 is still pending; no information available from Victor
13:21:35 <fsasaki> close ACTION-56
13:21:35 <trackbot> ACTION-56 Create text for r06-r11 until Monday and send it to the list closed
13:21:54 <fsasaki> plh = Philippe Le Hegaret
13:22:28 <fsasaki> zakim, unmute thierry
13:22:28 <Zakim> thierry should no longer be muted
13:23:20 <tobias> ACTION-57: Question is to publish a working group note or a working draft (Thierry); Thierry will contact plh and resolve this issue by tomorrow
13:23:20 <trackbot> ACTION-57 Check with plh how he wants us to move the requirements document forward notes added
13:24:13 <fsasaki> topic: cultural heritage UC update
13:24:26 <wonsuk> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html#uc-cultural-heritage-institutions
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13:24:55 <thierry> zakim, mute me
13:24:55 <Zakim> thierry should now be muted
13:25:11 <tobias> Werner: Archivists typically use a strict vocabulary for annotation content (thesauri, controlled vocabularies, etc.)
13:25:32 <tobias> Werner: We should keep this within our vocabulary, i.e. to keep a reference to the thesauri used.
13:25:43 <tobias> Werner: This could be a relevant requirement for other use cases, too.
13:26:19 <tobias> Werner: There should be the option to pointing to an entity and not just a value.
13:28:29 <tobias> Werner: Controlled vocabulary for describing content is typically used to identify a person/location/genre
13:29:29 <tobias> Felix: One solution could use two fields one to point to an URI, the second to identify the thesaurus you use.
13:30:18 <fsasaki> choices: 1)string 2) URI only to identify vocabulary and the part in question 3) string + URI (URI for identifying vocabularies)
13:31:42 <pchampin> we can have
13:31:45 <tobias> Felix: The question is: should each of them be possible? If all  would be supported would mean: more freedom for use, but additional burden on the application;
13:31:54 <pchampin> a string with en embedded URI
13:32:26 <pchampin> e.g.
13:32:41 <pchampin> "Pierre-Antoine <pchampin@liris.cnrs.fr>"
13:32:56 <pchampin> this could be displayed
13:33:00 <pchampin> not of we require
13:33:07 <pchampin> that the URI should be inside < >
13:33:34 <pchampin> applications could not bother
13:33:39 <pchampin> and display the whole string
13:33:41 <tobias> Felix: There should be a clear way to delimit what is a string and what an URI
13:33:47 <pchampin> which is reasonably readable
13:33:48 <tobias> Werner: There should be two fields.
13:34:57 <pchampin> returning a variable type is also harder to cope with
13:35:03 <pchampin> for applications
13:35:46 <Zakim> - +95177aaff
13:36:11 <Zakim> + +95177aagg
13:36:18 <tobias> Felix: We should add this as an additional requirement
13:36:34 <tobias> ACTION: Felix to add this issue as an additional requirement
13:36:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Add this issue as an additional requirement [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-12-23].
13:38:46 <pchampin> a json object is basically a list or a dictionary
13:38:58 <pchampin> as a dict, it can contain any key
13:40:27 <pchampin> ok
13:40:34 <tobias> ACTION: Joakim to investigate how the declaration of JSON could provide a solution for our return object
13:40:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Investigate how the declaration of JSON could provide a solution for our return object [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2008-12-23].
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13:40:51 <fsasaki> tobias: I give just one return value - URI
13:41:22 <tobias> ACTION: Felix to ask Chris about the question of heterogeneous return values
13:41:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Ask Chris about the question of heterogeneous return values [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-12-23].
13:41:56 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping 
13:42:00 <fsasaki> topic: metadata mapping tables
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13:43:43 <fsasaki> topic: Schedule for UC & Req deliverable
13:43:52 <joakim>  http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
13:45:01 <tobias> Felix updated his section, Werner+Veronique updated their sections.
13:45:45 <tobias> Felix: Tobias has to still send the figure to describe the scope of the working group
13:46:06 <tobias> Felix would like to include the figure in the requirements document
13:46:25 <tmichel> zakim, unmute thierry
13:46:25 <Zakim> thierry should no longer be muted
13:47:06 <tobias> ACTION Thierry to request short URI for the requirements document
13:47:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Request short URI for the requirements document [on Thierry Michel - due 2008-12-23].
13:47:20 <tmichel> zakim, mute me
13:47:20 <Zakim> sorry, tmichel, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:47:30 <tobias> ACTION Thierry to update the status of the requirements document
13:47:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Update the status of the requirements document [on Thierry Michel - due 2008-12-23].
13:47:59 <fsasaki> topic: MPEG - related mail from Victor
13:48:02 <tmichel> zakim, mute me
13:48:02 <Zakim> sorry, tmichel, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:48:29 <tobias> Felix: Is unsure about the relation of MXM and the work of our group.
13:49:52 <tobias> ACTION Victor to formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group
13:49:52 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Victor
13:49:59 <tmichel> I am loosing connectivity ...
13:50:08 <tobias> ACTION Victor2 to formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group
13:50:08 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Victor2
13:50:26 <fsasaki> action: Víctor to formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group
13:50:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group [on Víctor Rodríguez - due 2008-12-23].
13:51:48 <joakim> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:51:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-minutes.html joakim
13:51:50 <Zakim> - +95177aagg
13:51:51 <tmichel> by see you next year ...
13:51:52 <Zakim> -Werner
13:51:54 <Zakim> -Felix
13:51:55 <Zakim> - +2
13:52:02 <Zakim> -thierry
13:52:03 <joakim> happy holiday
13:52:06 <Zakim> - +7.233.aacc
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13:52:30 <Zakim> -davy
13:52:47 <Zakim> -Joakim
13:52:48 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
13:52:50 <Zakim> Attendees were Joakim, +2, +95177aabb, +7.233.aacc, Felix, +43.316.876.aadd, davy, Werner, +96003aaee, thierry, +95177aaff, +95177aagg
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13:53:51 <Victor> Hello
13:53:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
13:54:56 <Victor> isn't it starting in 5 minutes?
13:55:01 <Victor> ops!
13:55:07 <Victor> i am one hour late!!!!!!
13:57:15 <fsasaki> ACTION: Thierry to request short URI for the requirements document
13:57:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Request short URI for the requirements document [on Thierry Michel - due 2008-12-23].
13:57:20 <joakim> Hi Victor, you got an actino point for punishment! :-)
13:59:03 <Victor> I have just seen it :)
13:59:06 <fsasaki> close ACTION-64
13:59:06 <trackbot> ACTION-64 Request short URI for the requirements document closed
14:48:33 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
14:48:34 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-actions.rdf :
14:48:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to add this issue as an additional requirement [1]
14:48:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc#T13-36-34
14:48:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Joakim to investigate how the declaration of JSON could provide a solution for our return object [2]
14:48:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc#T13-40-34
14:48:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to ask Chris about the question of heterogeneous return values [3]
14:48:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc#T13-41-22
14:48:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Víctor to formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group [4]
14:48:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc#T13-50-26
14:48:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Thierry to request short URI for the requirements document [5]
14:48:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-irc#T13-57-15
14:48:35 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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