13:59:22 RRSAgent has joined #mbui 13:59:22 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/15-mbui-irc 13:59:27 Chair: dsr 13:59:35 Meeting MBUI XG Telecon 13:59:45 Gottfried has joined #mbui 13:59:59 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xg-model-based-ui/2008Dec/0013.html 14:00:05 Scribe: dsr 14:01:11 zakim, this is 6284 14:01:12 ok, dsr; that matches INC_MBUI()9:00AM 14:01:59 + +39.050.315.aaaa 14:02:19 Juan has joined #mbui 14:03:18 + +0321047aabb 14:03:45 + +55214062aacc 14:03:52 Sebastian_Kaebisc has joined #mbui 14:04:15 zakim, who is here? 14:04:15 On the phone I see Gottfried_Zimmermann, Dave, +39.050.315.aaaa, +0321047aabb, +55214062aacc 14:04:18 On IRC I see Sebastian_Kaebisc, Juan, Gottfried, RRSAgent, Zakim, dsr, jo_laier 14:05:12 + +49.896.364.aadd 14:06:22 Present: dsr, Gottfried, Fabio, Juan, Sebastian, Jo. 14:06:52 Present + Daniel, Simone 14:07:19 Topic: minutes from last meeting 14:07:40 Fabio says Jose took minutes, Dave to ask Jose for a copy to link from web page 14:08:39 Topic: Guest appearance by Gottfried Zimmerman 14:08:55 Dave invites Gottfried to introduce himself. 14:09:33 Gottfried is experience with UI work and is current unemployed. He was at the Univ. Wisconsin for 3 years. 14:09:49 Have sent details to the public MBUI page. 14:10:40 Worked on an ISO standard. 14:11:28 DS has joined #mbui 14:12:34 Interested in open standards for UI. Now back in Germany. I have worked with a number of clients including MERL (Mitsubishi), working on task modelling standard. 14:13:57 www.i2home.org 14:13:57 Currently I am the technical coordinator for an EU Project I2Home. 14:15:32 I am also working with the Univ of Tubingen. 14:17:04 Fabio: which part of ISO are you associated with? 14:17:23 Gottfried: ISO USA ... 14:17:26 ISO/IEC JTC1 SC35 User Interface 14:19:21 Topic: Use cases 14:20:00 Sebastian sent email today, he has added a use case to the MBUI wiki and invites review. 14:20:41 Fabio: in a recent project we looked at use cases in a home scenario, we could add some details on this if you like. 14:21:57 Daniel: Please add a brief description of the use case with a pointer to the paper. A one page summary for each use case would be helpful. 14:23:29 Jo: I would love to have a summary as in wikipedia with links to more information. 14:25:01 Fabio: my example is very similar to the one from Siemens. 14:25:37 C-Lab Paderborn, Markus Dubielzig 14:25:43 Is Sebastian involved in the I2Home project, no. 14:27:17 Dave encourages people to add more use cases, as this will be important for explaining our work to people outside of the XG. 14:27:43 Daniel: what is the scope for our work as that will determine what kinds of use cases are relevant. 14:28:09 We should try to focus on a connection to the Web given that the XG is part of W3C. 14:29:22 For example, if the application is based on URIs that can be used to access resources. 14:32:06 Dave gives a short summary - essentially use cases relating to how model-based UI could apply to web applications, but not just conventional web pages. The web of things is an important new application areas. 14:32:58 We invite Daniel to start a page on the Wiki on scope for use cases. 14:33:20 Here is an example of a web appllcation with lots of interactions http://www.alibabuy.com/ 14:33:25 Topic: Abstract UI 14:34:05 Fabio: on this topic there is a big EU project and Jose is coordinating this, but unfortunately he is not here today. 14:34:47 My understanding is that we were going to use the USE CASES to derive a general architectural vision of how interfaces integrate with applications 14:34:54 It has similar aims to this XG and it would be interesting to bring their materials to the W3C for review. 14:35:28 Juan: as soon as we have a stable version we will do so (I believe that was the resolution). 14:36:13 Fabio asks how we can make progress on the Abstract UI, e.g. with work on XForms etc. 14:37:13 Daniel: does everyone have a clear understanding of the concepts for the layers including the abstract UI? 14:37:50 Would like to see a description of the architecture. 14:39:04 Fabio: this was covered when the group was started 14:39:22 Daniel: we just need to spell this out as a reference. 14:40:06 Fabio: we should add a summary to the wiki 14:41:09 Action: Fabio to add a description of the layered approach to MBUI to the Wiki drawing upon existing papers. 14:43:11 Dave invites Juan to expand on his email of Dec 15 14:43:47 See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xg-model-based-ui/2008Dec/0010.html 14:45:10 Daniel: couldn't find the reference to the paper at the UCL website. 14:45:22 Juan will add a link to the wiki asap. 14:46:28 Jaroslav has volunteered to add some text e.g. on Xforms, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xg-model-based-ui/2008Dec/0016.html 14:46:50 Juan: can we have some info on CTTE meta-model in the wiki as well. 14:47:14 It would be great to have a snapshot of all current meta-models on the wiki, Fabio agrees. 14:48:14 Topic: task models 14:49:00 ISO 24744 Method engineering standard proposal also includes task model definition (Jean) 14:49:00 Fabio: we weren't sure how much detail to give. 14:49:43 We probably need to add some introductory materials to explain the context for the various approaches. 14:50:34 Juan: asks Fabio if you have a formal model of the semantics that you could share with us 14:50:56 Jean asked 14:54:06 -Gottfried_Zimmermann 14:54:07 - +39.050.315.aaaa 14:54:09 -Dave 14:54:11 - +0321047aabb 14:54:13 - +49.896.364.aadd 14:54:15 - +55214062aacc 14:54:15 INC_MBUI()9:00AM has ended 14:54:17 Attendees were Gottfried_Zimmermann, Dave, +39.050.315.aaaa, +0321047aabb, +55214062aacc, +49.896.364.aadd 14:54:36 Fabio asks about the steps needed to take CTT into the standards track. 14:55:35 Dave says that to do that we first need to establish the context and to show the relationship to existing work, and to demonstrate that there is a rough concensus about moving the work forward into a standards track. 14:55:56 Fabio volunteers to add some more background materials to the wiki with that in mind. 14:56:06 Topic: date of next teleconference 14:56:24 Gottfried has left #mbui 14:57:22 Dave notes that due to the Christmas and New Year holidays, we need to decide the date of our next call. 14:58:08 He proposes Jan 5th. Several people will still be on vacation. We agree to holding the next call on Monday, January 12. 14:58:48 Dave encourages everyone to keep contributing to the wiki as a basis for working towards an XG Report. 14:58:53 .... end of call .... 14:59:06 rrsagent, set logs public 14:59:14 rrsagent, make minutes 14:59:14 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/15-mbui-minutes.html dsr 15:06:00 jo_laier has left #mbui 15:14:00 #quit 15:19:54 simone has joined #mbui 15:20:08 simone has left #mbui 16:25:11 Zakim has left #mbui