IRC log of mbui on 2008-12-15
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/15-mbui-irc
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- Chair: dsr
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- Meeting MBUI XG Telecon
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xg-model-based-ui/2008Dec/0013.html
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- Scribe: dsr
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- zakim, this is 6284
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- ok, dsr; that matches INC_MBUI()9:00AM
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see Gottfried_Zimmermann, Dave, +39.050.315.aaaa, +0321047aabb, +55214062aacc
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- On IRC I see Sebastian_Kaebisc, Juan, Gottfried, RRSAgent, Zakim, dsr, jo_laier
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- Present: dsr, Gottfried, Fabio, Juan, Sebastian, Jo.
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- Present + Daniel, Simone
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- Topic: minutes from last meeting
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- Fabio says Jose took minutes, Dave to ask Jose for a copy to link from web page
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- Topic: Guest appearance by Gottfried Zimmerman
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- Dave invites Gottfried to introduce himself.
- 14:09:33 [dsr]
- Gottfried is experience with UI work and is current unemployed. He was at the Univ. Wisconsin for 3 years.
- 14:09:49 [dsr]
- Have sent details to the public MBUI page.
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- Worked on an ISO standard.
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- 14:12:34 [dsr]
- Interested in open standards for UI. Now back in Germany. I have worked with a number of clients including MERL (Mitsubishi), working on task modelling standard.
- 14:13:57 [Gottfried]
- www.i2home.org
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- Currently I am the technical coordinator for an EU Project I2Home.
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- I am also working with the Univ of Tubingen.
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- Fabio: which part of ISO are you associated with?
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- Gottfried: ISO USA ...
- 14:17:26 [Gottfried]
- ISO/IEC JTC1 SC35 User Interface
- 14:19:21 [dsr]
- Topic: Use cases
- 14:20:00 [dsr]
- Sebastian sent email today, he has added a use case to the MBUI wiki and invites review.
- 14:20:41 [dsr]
- Fabio: in a recent project we looked at use cases in a home scenario, we could add some details on this if you like.
- 14:21:57 [dsr]
- Daniel: Please add a brief description of the use case with a pointer to the paper. A one page summary for each use case would be helpful.
- 14:23:29 [dsr]
- Jo: I would love to have a summary as in wikipedia with links to more information.
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- Fabio: my example is very similar to the one from Siemens.
- 14:25:37 [Gottfried]
- C-Lab Paderborn, Markus Dubielzig
- 14:25:43 [dsr]
- Is Sebastian involved in the I2Home project, no.
- 14:27:17 [dsr]
- Dave encourages people to add more use cases, as this will be important for explaining our work to people outside of the XG.
- 14:27:43 [dsr]
- Daniel: what is the scope for our work as that will determine what kinds of use cases are relevant.
- 14:28:09 [dsr]
- We should try to focus on a connection to the Web given that the XG is part of W3C.
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- For example, if the application is based on URIs that can be used to access resources.
- 14:32:06 [dsr]
- Dave gives a short summary - essentially use cases relating to how model-based UI could apply to web applications, but not just conventional web pages. The web of things is an important new application areas.
- 14:32:58 [dsr]
- We invite Daniel to start a page on the Wiki on scope for use cases.
- 14:33:20 [DS]
- Here is an example of a web appllcation with lots of interactions http://www.alibabuy.com/
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- Topic: Abstract UI
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- Fabio: on this topic there is a big EU project and Jose is coordinating this, but unfortunately he is not here today.
- 14:34:47 [DS]
- My understanding is that we were going to use the USE CASES to derive a general architectural vision of how interfaces integrate with applications
- 14:34:54 [dsr]
- It has similar aims to this XG and it would be interesting to bring their materials to the W3C for review.
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- Juan: as soon as we have a stable version we will do so (I believe that was the resolution).
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- Fabio asks how we can make progress on the Abstract UI, e.g. with work on XForms etc.
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- Daniel: does everyone have a clear understanding of the concepts for the layers including the abstract UI?
- 14:37:50 [dsr]
- Would like to see a description of the architecture.
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- Fabio: this was covered when the group was started
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- Daniel: we just need to spell this out as a reference.
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- Fabio: we should add a summary to the wiki
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- Action: Fabio to add a description of the layered approach to MBUI to the Wiki drawing upon existing papers.
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- Dave invites Juan to expand on his email of Dec 15
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- See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xg-model-based-ui/2008Dec/0010.html
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- Daniel: couldn't find the reference to the paper at the UCL website.
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- Juan will add a link to the wiki asap.
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- Jaroslav has volunteered to add some text e.g. on Xforms, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xg-model-based-ui/2008Dec/0016.html
- 14:46:50 [dsr]
- Juan: can we have some info on CTTE meta-model in the wiki as well.
- 14:47:14 [dsr]
- It would be great to have a snapshot of all current meta-models on the wiki, Fabio agrees.
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- Topic: task models
- 14:49:00 [Juan]
- ISO 24744 Method engineering standard proposal also includes task model definition (Jean)
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- Fabio: we weren't sure how much detail to give.
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- We probably need to add some introductory materials to explain the context for the various approaches.
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- Juan: asks Fabio if you have a formal model of the semantics that you could share with us
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- Jean asked
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- Attendees were Gottfried_Zimmermann, Dave, +39.050.315.aaaa, +0321047aabb, +55214062aacc, +49.896.364.aadd
- 14:54:36 [dsr]
- Fabio asks about the steps needed to take CTT into the standards track.
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- Dave says that to do that we first need to establish the context and to show the relationship to existing work, and to demonstrate that there is a rough concensus about moving the work forward into a standards track.
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- Fabio volunteers to add some more background materials to the wiki with that in mind.
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- Topic: date of next teleconference
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- Dave notes that due to the Christmas and New Year holidays, we need to decide the date of our next call.
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- He proposes Jan 5th. Several people will still be on vacation. We agree to holding the next call on Monday, January 12.
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- Dave encourages everyone to keep contributing to the wiki as a basis for working towards an XG Report.
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- .... end of call ....
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