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15 Dec 2008

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<kei> agenda HCLS KB update [Matthias, Adrian]

introduction

<kei> scribenick Rob

Rob is on the phone as well

I may be ??P15

<kei> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/HCLS_KB_Thoughts

kei: URL contains set of potential set of hcls kb thoughts to discuss, distilled from email thread over past week
... Agenda:first a short intro, then hcls kb review, then query federation discussion, then summary of last ontolog semantic media wiki telcon, finally Q&A/discussion

mattias: looking into optimizing performance of triple store; having trouble with certain queries
... problems with denial of service attacks

<mscottm> ..especially queries that don't include the named graph in the query

kei: would like URL of kb site
... not exactly clear on kb content - would like to see list of datasets that have been loaded
... would be nice to see list in order to write SPARQL queries

matthais: has neurocommons content, no additional contents

<matthiassamwald> DERI HCLS KB SPARQL endpoint: http://hcls.deri.org:8080/sparql

<matthiassamwald> test

<AdrianP> http://neuroweb.med.yale.edu/senselab/

<matthiassamwald> DERI HCLS KB web page: http://hcls.deri.org (down momentarily)

adrian: AllegroGraph installed, has loaded some data, need to open a port so that it is accessible via SPARQL Protocol externally, not yet accessible

<AdrianP> http://agraph.franz.com/allegrograph/

<matthiassamwald> Description of the datasets in the Neurocommons KB (which is at the moment all we have on the DERI endpoint): http://neurocommons.org/page/Bundles

kei: interesting to compare the different triple store technologies as part of HCLS KB effort
... this comparison will be helpful to the community
... what are the unique features of each? (Virtuoso & AllegroGraph)
... support for graph operations - e.g. finding protein in a graph with high connectivity

<AdrianP> AllegroGraph supports Named Graphs for Weights

eric: Oracle may help for that

<AdrianP> and social network analysis, e.g. http://agraph.franz.com/support/documentation/current/reference-guide.html#header3-68

<ericP> Oracle's engine was designed initially for graphs (e.g. maps queries). likely the best topology analysis suppport

scott: federation may be an issue when you add multiple types of triple stores

DARQ or SimWEB

<AdrianP> AllegroGraph has a Sesame SPARQL interface

support federation over any set of SPARQL accessible triple stores

eric: virtuoso already has federation to some degree - expensive, makes local caches
... two problems: user directs federations (indicates location of data, not as difficult), user does not direct federation (does not provide location of graphs, more difficult)

<mscottm> 1+

rob: DARQ and SimWEB are in the later category (support arbitrary queries and automatically decompose)

<AdrianP> federation support by AllegroGraph

+1 on supporting user directed federation to start

<AdrianP> http://agraph.franz.com/support/documentation/current/federation-tutorial.html

<ericP> an experiment in making the user separate the federated sources

adrian/kei: will use a rule layer on top of the triple stores to handle the federation of the queries

the rule layer is executed within a middleware framework

kei: will any triple store technologies allow people to publish RDF data as linked data?

matthais: Univ. of Berlin has a service that will publish RDF as linked data

<matthiassamwald> Pubby: http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/pubby/ (exposes resources in a SPARQL endpoint as "linked data")

scott: try federated query using just Virtuoso before executing over multiple distributed SPARQL endpoints

eric: worked with Virtuoso for Banff demo on queries over SQL repos

<ericP> yeah, one of the sources was something that i'd stuck in a nearby MySQL db

kei: how soon will the AllegroGraph repo be externally accessible?

adrian: they need to open externally accessible port; will be delayed by holidays - so, likely beginning of Jan

kei: need to identify which data sets we want to store in which repos and how the federated queries will be executed over those data sets
... start with the Banff demo data sets?

eric: start with relational data and expose as RDF

jun: what is the goal of the HCLS KB? Public service?

kei: good questions; what can be done depends on interest and resources of group; demo is the short term goal
... can look to incorporate datasets from drug group
... providing a stable public service is different level of effort; can consider that after we get past the demo stage; will depend on level of resources
... don't know that we have enough resources to do both

<matthiassamwald> PDSP Ki

scott: issue when creating queries on PDSP: trying to find substances with high affinities; encountered naming differences on key property in the query
... PDSP was one of the databases that Matthais integrated last year; this issue was never fully resolved
... would be a good idea to go back and make certain that this naming issue is understood/resolve and that a similar issues are not encountered integrating other dbs

kei: believes the issues has been resolved
... does not know the technical details but they have done work to query across multiple datasets including PDSP
... how much do we want to try and standardize URIs/naming across datasets when we look at the query federation issue

scott: sounds like good news

kei: going to summarize the ontolog telcon on the SMW that was held last Thurs

<kei> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Meetings/2008-12-15?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=smw_telconf_summary.pdf

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2008_12_11

<kei> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Meetings/2008-12-15?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=smw_telconf_summary.pdf

<ericP> [slide 2]

kei: first talk was on SMW by lead engineer
... was a high-level overview of SMW
... second talk covered a variety of SMW extensions developed by Yaron Koren: Semantic Forms, Semantic Drilldown, Semantic Results Forms, Semantic Google Maps, compound queries/data transfer

<ericP> my impression is that most folks who use SMW use Halo

kei: third talk was on the Halo extension (funded by Vulcan, implemented by Ontoprise)
... Ontoprise delivers the Halo extension as SMW+ which includes the Halo extensions and some others (e.g. semantic forms)
... forth talk was on a rules prototype in SMW
... fifth was on a SMW extension to support purple numbers
... last main talk was on concept modeling in SMW via templates
... one lightning talk on "Ask the Wiki"

There will be another talk on 1/22/2009: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_01_22

<ericP> note, as far as i know, there are no stand-alone paths for ont development in SMW; all require stepping through protogé for the actual modeling

Semantic Wiki Applications & Use Cases (1): vertical applications

<ericP> the wiki is mostly used for posting change requests

<matthiassamwald> (I cannot participate via audio anymore, noise office environment...)

<Jun> (sorry, have to go)

kei: how might semantic wikis intersect with hcls kb scenario?

rob: could have a use case where a semantic wiki is use to extend/customize the content of the hcls kb

kei: can explore that scenario more offline
... interesting to look at using wikis for query construction/execution

<AdrianP> bye

Summary of Action Items

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