IRC log of er on 2008-12-10

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Zakim, this will be 3794

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 10 December 2008

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

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+Shadi

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agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema

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agenda+ Action Item Check

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+Carlos_Iglesias

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scribe: CarlosI

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scribenick: carlosI

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

13:32:46 [JohannesK]

zakim, Klaus is JohannesK

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+JohannesK; got it

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+JohannesK.a

13:35:40 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Schema" taken up [from shadi]

13:35:44 [cvelasco]

zakim, JohannesK.a is really cvelasco

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+cvelasco; got it

13:35:54 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20081106

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Dec/0006.html

13:36:56 [carlosI]

SAZ: open question

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SAZ: try to go trough them

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20081126

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+ +1.512.286.aaaa

13:37:45 [carlosI]

SAZ: draft version November 26th

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SAZ: suggest to go top to down

13:39:43 [carlosI]

SAZ: the introduction has changed a bit

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SAZ: now is focusing on the document, audience and conventions

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SAZ: some editorial changes too

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SAZ: the overview of EARL classes has been moved here (section 2)

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13:42:03 [carlosI]

SAZ: does the format of 2.1 looks ok?

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SAZ: the use this format to every other document

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SAZ: using icons for links to external resources

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SAZ: two open questions about TestSubject

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SAZ: foaf:Document as possible Test Subject

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SAZ: concerns from CI about its testing character

13:45:16 [carlosI]

SAZ: shouldn't be a problem, not the first testing one, can check stability

13:45:29 [carlosI]

MS: like the idea

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CV: don't have a clear distinction between phisical or electronic documents

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SAZ: that's fine

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CI: great to have both classes of documents but would like to be able to distinguish between electronic and physical

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action: check with Danbri on the status of foaf:Document, and suggest identifier to separate between electronic and physical documents

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Sorry, couldn't find user - check

13:51:15 [shadi]

action: shadi to check with Danbri on the status of foaf:Document, and suggest identifier to separate between electronic and physical documents

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Created ACTION-68 - Check with Danbri on the status of foaf:Document, and suggest identifier to separate between electronic and physical documents [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-12-17].

13:52:27 [carlosI]

JK: suggest to use http:Response instead fo http:Connection because they are tipically tested

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SAZ: would like to have both Request and Response because you want the Request information

13:54:47 [carlosI]

JK: if you use Connection as test subject that could be seen as the whole Connection passing the test

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JK: you not only test the response Content, may be response codes, length or others

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SAZ: any objection to change Connection with Response?

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JK: maybe both Request and Response

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SAZ: why not Connection?

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SAZ: if you download a web page you may have several Request and Response pairs

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MS: is there a use case where we want just the Request and not the Response?

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action: shadi to consider adding a brief description under the "Related Classes" sections to describe the relationships; possibly referencing respective sections from the Guide

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Created ACTION-69 - Consider adding a brief description under the \"Related Classes\" sections to describe the relationships; possibly referencing respective sections from the Guide [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-12-17].

14:08:17 [carlosI]

JK: we usually use cnt as Content namespace, here repr is used

14:08:43 [carlosI]

JK: Content in RDF reference is missing

14:11:51 [shadi]

action: shadi to change "repr" to "cnt"

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Created ACTION-70 - Change \"repr\" to \"cnt\" [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-12-17].

14:13:30 [carlosI]

MS: not sure what to put in the title of an http:Connection

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JK: there is no need to have a title in HTTP, must be in EARL subject

14:16:09 [cvelasco]

I need to leave in two minutes ... sorry to have to leave earlier :-(

14:16:29 [carlosI]

SAZ: thinks from the report user perspective

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SAZ: the user just receives the title and the details may be hidden

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SAZ: maybe need to think more about this

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-cvelasco

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14:17:53 [carlosI]

JK: agree to have a dc:title for subjects, but would object to have a dc:title in HTTP in RDF

14:22:00 [carlosI]

SAZ: suggestion is to use dc:date in 2.3 for the resource fetching time and in 2.5 for when the test case was actually tested

14:22:27 [carlosI]

CI: are they supposed to be optional?

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SAZ: will keep an eye on this

14:23:11 [carlosI]

SAZ: came to the conclusion the TestMode must be classes

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SAZ: pending AI to check this approach with some semantic web people

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SAZ: renaming of Outcome class to avoid confusion with the property

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SAZ: there is a preference from CI to rename the property instead the class

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SAZ: any other thoughts?

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SAZ: then outcomeValue fro the property and Outcome for the class

14:26:40 [carlosI]

SAZ: DOAP discussion is still open

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MS: some comments about stability from CI on the list

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SAZ: comment from MS about the short properties description

14:28:49 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "Action Item Check" taken up [from shadi]

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-JohannesK

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- +1.512.286.aaaa

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-Shadi

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-Carlos_Iglesias

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, Carlos_Iglesias, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, JohannesK, cvelasco, +1.512.286.aaaa

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-er-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: check with Danbri on the status of foaf:Document, and suggest identifier to separate between electronic and physical documents [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-er-irc#T13-51-06

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ACTION: shadi to check with Danbri on the status of foaf:Document, and suggest identifier to separate between electronic and physical documents [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-er-irc#T13-51-15

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ACTION: shadi to consider adding a brief description under the "Related Classes" sections to describe the relationships; possibly referencing respective sections from the Guide [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-er-irc#T14-06-22

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ACTION: shadi to change "repr" to "cnt" [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-er-irc#T14-11-51