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14:00:08 <josema> trackbot, start telcon
14:00:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:00:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
14:00:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start now
14:00:13 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
14:00:13 <trackbot> Date: 10 December 2008
14:00:23 <josema> chair: kevin, john
14:00:32 <josema> regrets: oscar, martin, kjetil
14:00:43 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
14:00:44 <Zakim> +Josema
14:01:01 <Zakim> + +1.202.256.aaaa
14:01:02 <josema> zakim, who's here?
14:01:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, +1.202.256.aaaa (muted)
14:01:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot
14:01:24 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Ari
14:01:24 <Zakim> +Ari; got it
14:01:33 <josema> zakim, who's here?
14:01:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, Ari
14:01:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot
14:02:38 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
14:02:48 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (5%)
14:04:41 <josema> zakim, who's here?
14:04:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, Ari
14:04:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot
14:06:44 <john> john has joined #eGov
14:07:43 <josema> zakim, who's here?
14:07:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, Ari
14:07:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see john, RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot
14:09:15 <Zakim> + +1.202.501.aabb
14:10:12 <josema> zakim, aabb is rick
14:10:12 <Zakim> +rick; got it
14:11:58 <Zakim> + +0203334aacc
14:12:11 <josema> zakim, aacc is john
14:12:11 <Zakim> +john; got it
14:13:06 <josema> agenda?
14:13:21 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
14:13:21 <Zakim> agendum 1. "appoint a scribe" taken up [from josema]
14:13:29 <josema> scribe: josema
14:13:36 <josema> again! ;(
14:14:16 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
14:14:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, josema
14:14:23 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
14:14:23 <Zakim> agendum 2. "agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
14:16:22 <Zakim> -Ari
14:16:42 <josema> [TWB could not secure funding to host joint event with OASIS, so we are not organizing it for now]
14:16:47 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
14:16:47 <Zakim> agendum 3. "outline of first editor's draft" taken up [from josema]
14:27:54 <josema> [jose explains why the "new" topic areas speaking in gov terms]
14:32:07 <josema> [john on they are familiar, and we also need to think about the different audiences we target, some even dealing with XSDs]
14:32:21 <josema> josema: do you miss some big area?
14:32:41 <josema> john: maybe on government as provider of information, not entirely transparency
14:35:20 <josema> [we start to find same problem as yesterday, some not only about the topic area where they are, but affecting more]
14:35:47 <josema> john: some, eg. transparency is about public policy outcome, while interoperability is about tchnology
14:35:58 <josema> s/tchnology/technology
14:36:44 <josema> ... a public policy outcome is a thing like "reducing fraud"
14:39:59 <josema> ... maybe we could use the kind of policy outcomes as a list under every area
14:40:07 <josema> ... and stick to those that are technology challenges
14:41:47 <josema> josema: I like this idea, we should try it
14:42:08 <josema> john: we could also list specific examples of countries doing this or that
14:42:32 <josema> ... what they are trying to achieve, when they are confronting the same technology challenges
14:45:44 <josema> ... this needs much discussion in the mailing list
14:45:52 <josema> ... about both points of view
14:46:18 <josema> ... I personally like the list and just have issue with "Participation..." and "Transparency"
14:46:33 <josema> ... they should be written in technology challenges terms
14:47:51 <josema> john: I'd also like us to mention something beyond current existing challenges
14:48:10 <josema> ... and put something about what they should be looking into for the next 3-5 years
14:51:15 <josema> rick: from experience in Groups like these key is how it can be effective
14:51:50 <josema> ... what's exactly W3C role here in affecting the eGov echo system of players
14:52:22 <josema> ... I would suggest a focus on what W3C does that is really special about W3c
14:52:45 <josema> ... categorization is common problem, it gets in the message of the way of having the message crafted
14:52:51 <josema> ... and reaching people
14:53:20 <josema> ... is W3C trying to influence a legislator, an administrative leader?
14:53:35 <josema> ... that reduces the context
14:54:04 <josema> ... I suggest some very short term focus on things that can be accomplished
14:54:24 <josema> ... before the Group expires in May
14:54:59 <josema> ... I personally focus on some small problem, knowing that I loose some context
14:55:17 <josema> ... but keeping work alive and achieve a smaller goal
14:55:38 <josema> john: we wanted to position the Group as mediator between the very technical
14:55:54 <josema> ... stuff that W3C produces and the government needs
14:56:32 <josema> ... touching on things largely unique to W3C
15:03:10 <Zakim> -rick
15:08:53 <josema> rick: useful discussion, building the paths takes time, happy to discuss further later in time
15:10:20 <josema> john: let's convene a Group call next week, give time to people to review draft and commment
15:10:22 <josema> josema: ok
15:10:48 <josema> RESOLUTION: convene Group call next week, 17 Dec 2008; 14:00Z
15:11:02 <josema> ACTION: josema to setup conference bridge
15:11:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Setup conference bridge [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2008-12-17].
15:12:43 <josema> move to next agendum
15:12:43 <Zakim> agendum 4. "open actions" taken up [from josema]
15:15:26 <josema> [skipping this one]
15:15:30 <josema> move to next agendum
15:15:30 <Zakim> agendum 5. "next meeting" taken up [from josema]
15:15:50 <josema> [resolved above: 17 Dec 2008; 14:00Z]
15:23:16 <josema> zakim, who's here?
15:23:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, john
15:23:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see john, RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, kjetil, josema, trackbot
15:23:29 <josema> zakim, list attendees
15:23:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Josema, +1.202.256.aaaa, Ari, +1.202.501.aabb, rick, +0203334aacc, john
15:23:38 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
15:23:43 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:23:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-minutes.html josema
15:24:33 <josema> chair: john
15:24:36 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:24:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-minutes.html josema
15:42:56 <Zakim> -Josema
15:42:58 <Zakim> -john
15:42:58 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
15:42:59 <Zakim> Attendees were Josema, +1.202.256.aaaa, Ari, +1.202.501.aabb, rick, +0203334aacc, john
15:43:03 <josema> zakim, bye
15:43:03 <Zakim> Zakim has left #egov
15:43:07 <josema> rrsagent, bye
15:43:07 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-actions.rdf :
15:43:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: josema to setup conference bridge [1]
15:43:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-egov-irc#T15-11-02