IRC log of au on 2008-12-08

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20:50:49 [RRSAgent]
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20:50:54 [JR]
Zakim, this will be AUWG
20:50:54 [Zakim]
ok, JR; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 50 minutes ago
20:50:59 [JR]
Meeting: WAI AU
20:51:06 [JR]
Chair: Jutta
20:51:27 [JR]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0072.html
20:57:10 [jeanne]
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zakim, code?
21:00:06 [Zakim]
the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne
21:00:11 [Zakim]
WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
21:00:55 [jeanne]
regrets: Roberto, Andrew
21:01:19 [jeanne]
regrets: Roberto, Andrew, Tim
21:02:00 [JR]
regrets: Anne M.
21:03:19 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:04:03 [Greg]
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regrets: Roberto, Andrew, Tim, Anne
21:04:29 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:04:41 [jeanne]
zakim, who is here?
21:04:41 [Zakim]
On the phone I see no one
21:04:42 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Greg, jeanne, RRSAgent, Zakim, JR, trackbot
21:05:32 [jeanne]
present: Jutta, Jeanne, Jan, Greg
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:07:24 [jeanne]
present+ Dana
21:09:23 [JR]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0040.html
21:09:32 [jeanne]
jeanne has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0072.html
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present+ Sueann
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http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20081205/results
21:11:41 [jeanne]
topic: Conformance Section survey results
21:11:46 [JR]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0067.html
21:12:19 [jtrevir]
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21:12:32 [jeanne]
JR: proposal follows the WCAG 2.0 wording. Proposal is in response to Tim's comments
21:13:40 [jeanne]
Tim's comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0048.html
21:14:07 [jeanne]
JT: Is everyone clear on the difference between the ??? and the claim?
21:14:18 [jeanne]
no questions
21:14:34 [jeanne]
JR: [Reviews the proposal]
21:16:46 [jeanne]
JT: Can a claimant be an evaluator who is not affiliated to the product?
21:17:02 [jeanne]
JR: Yes. The details are further into the proposal.
21:18:00 [jeanne]
zakim, who is here?
21:18:00 [Zakim]
On the phone I see no one
21:18:01 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Sueann, Greg, jeanne, RRSAgent, Zakim, JR, trackbot
21:19:08 [jeanne]
action: JS to add examples of the accessibility platform architecture to #7 of the Conformance claim
21:19:09 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-64 - Add examples of the accessibility platform architecture to #7 of the Conformance claim [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-15].
21:22:00 [jeanne]
JR: #8 has been added: to declare whether each SC has been met. Does the group think that this is too much of a burden?
21:22:55 [jeanne]
JR: There is an option to decribe how it has been met.
21:25:09 [jeanne]
JT: Should there be a link to the definition of Authoring Tool?
21:25:29 [jeanne]
JT: Should the note go before the description of partial conformance?
21:25:52 [jeanne]
JS: Notes should go before, because they are overlooked at the end.
21:27:09 [jeanne]
action: JR to reword proposal on Conformance to bring the Conformance Level note up to before the Partial Conformance section. It turns the note into an Introduction.
21:27:09 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-65 - Reword proposal on Conformance to bring the Conformance Level note up to before the Partial Conformance section. It turns the note into an Introduction. [on Jan Richards - due 2008-12-15].
21:27:15 [JR]
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21:27:27 [Greg]
none here
21:28:03 [jeanne]
JS: no concerns or comments
21:28:46 [JR]
Authoring tools (see definition of Authoring Tool)...
21:29:01 [JR]
Used to say "Authoring tools (see definition)"...
21:29:38 [jeanne]
action: JS to update draft to fix the authoring tools link in the Conformance levels section so that the link text is descriptive.
21:29:38 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-66 - Update draft to fix the authoring tools link in the Conformance levels section so that the link text is descriptive. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-15].
21:30:45 [jeanne]
topic: Outstanding Action Items
21:31:09 [jeanne]
51 closed
21:31:56 [jeanne]
greg will work on action item 38 today
21:32:18 [jeanne]
action 40 has been forwarded to Jeanne
21:32:18 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - 40
21:33:02 [jeanne]
action: JS to update draft with Jutta's edits from action 40. See email from Jan for details.
21:33:02 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-67 - Update draft with Jutta's edits from action 40. See email from Jan for details. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-15].
21:38:13 [jeanne]
Topic: Next heartbeat draft
21:40:00 [jeanne]
ATIA conference is Jan 28-31. A heartbeat draft in mid-January would be done in time.
21:40:29 [jeanne]
JS: We would have the conformance section revised. What other sections would be done?
21:41:05 [jeanne]
JR: A heartbeat publication wouldn't require substantive changes. We want to fix the typographical error.
21:41:26 [jeanne]
Topic: Alternative text for images
21:44:11 [JR]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0040.html
21:44:12 [jeanne]
There is discussion in different groups about automatically generated alternative text. We want to encourage authors to use meaningful alt, for example, saving meaningful alt and suggesting reuse.
21:44:48 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
21:44:48 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:47:17 [jeanne]
[review of issues]
21:48:35 [jeanne]
JT: There is a proposal to allow automated generated of alt. If we know that it has been machine-generated, what does that do to other checkers?
21:49:30 [jeanne]
JT: Have we ever reached a conclusion about the role of the authoring tool?
21:49:40 [jeanne]
JR: What information should that format hold?
21:50:37 [jeanne]
JR: it shouldn't only be alt, although alt is the most overloaded.
21:51:23 [jeanne]
JT: What happens when the Authoring Tool presents machine-authored text to the author? Won't the author just take the text offered?
21:51:52 [jeanne]
s/Won't the author just take the text offered?/JR: Won't the author just take the text offered?
21:53:25 [jeanne]
JS: There are new technologies emerging that can generate good (but not great) captions for video. We don't want to block that.
21:53:57 [jeanne]
JT: The issue isn't blocking it, the issue is informing the listener where the alternative came from.
21:56:49 [jeanne]
JR: It was required in HTML 4, and HTML 5 suggested removing the requirement of alt for validation. There was pushback from some members of the disability community that removing the validity requirement would negatively impact accessibility.
21:57:18 [jeanne]
JR: another proposal being discussed is the use of the attribute "noalt".
21:57:32 [jeanne]
JT: Look forward to seeing it in a survey.
21:57:38 [jeanne]
TOpic: Next Meeting
21:57:57 [jeanne]
Next meeting Monday, 15 December
21:58:21 [jeanne]
JT: That is a holiday in Spain.
21:58:29 [jeanne]
meeting adjourned.
21:58:36 [jeanne]
zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html jeanne
22:00:16 [jeanne]
rrsagent, bye
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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: JS to add examples of the accessibility platform architecture to #7 of the Conformance claim [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-irc#T21-19-08
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ACTION: JR to reword proposal on Conformance to bring the Conformance Level note up to before the Partial Conformance section. It turns the note into an Introduction. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-irc#T21-27-09
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ACTION: JS to update draft to fix the authoring tools link in the Conformance levels section so that the link text is descriptive. [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-irc#T21-29-38
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ACTION: JS to update draft with Jutta's edits from action 40. See email from Jan for details. [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-irc#T21-33-02