20:50:49 RRSAgent has joined #au 20:50:49 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-irc 20:50:54 Zakim, this will be AUWG 20:50:54 ok, JR; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 50 minutes ago 20:50:59 Meeting: WAI AU 20:51:06 Chair: Jutta 20:51:27 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0072.html 20:57:10 jeanne has joined #au 21:00:06 zakim, code? 21:00:06 the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne 21:00:11 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started 21:00:55 regrets: Roberto, Andrew 21:01:19 regrets: Roberto, Andrew, Tim 21:02:00 regrets: Anne M. 21:03:19 rrsagent, make logs public 21:03:24 rrsagent, make minutes 21:03:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html jeanne 21:04:03 Greg has joined #au 21:04:10 regrets: Roberto, Andrew, Tim, Anne 21:04:29 rrsagent, make minutes 21:04:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html jeanne 21:04:41 zakim, who is here? 21:04:41 On the phone I see no one 21:04:42 On IRC I see Greg, jeanne, RRSAgent, Zakim, JR, trackbot 21:05:32 present: Jutta, Jeanne, Jan, Greg 21:06:08 rrsagent, make minutes 21:06:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html jeanne 21:07:24 present+ Dana 21:09:23 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0040.html 21:09:32 jeanne has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0072.html 21:09:57 present+ Sueann 21:10:12 Sueann has joined #au 21:11:10 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20081205/results 21:11:41 topic: Conformance Section survey results 21:11:46 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0067.html 21:12:19 jtrevir has joined #au 21:12:32 JR: proposal follows the WCAG 2.0 wording. Proposal is in response to Tim's comments 21:13:40 Tim's comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0048.html 21:14:07 JT: Is everyone clear on the difference between the ??? and the claim? 21:14:18 no questions 21:14:34 JR: [Reviews the proposal] 21:16:46 JT: Can a claimant be an evaluator who is not affiliated to the product? 21:17:02 JR: Yes. The details are further into the proposal. 21:18:00 zakim, who is here? 21:18:00 On the phone I see no one 21:18:01 On IRC I see Sueann, Greg, jeanne, RRSAgent, Zakim, JR, trackbot 21:19:08 action: JS to add examples of the accessibility platform architecture to #7 of the Conformance claim 21:19:09 Created ACTION-64 - Add examples of the accessibility platform architecture to #7 of the Conformance claim [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-15]. 21:22:00 JR: #8 has been added: to declare whether each SC has been met. Does the group think that this is too much of a burden? 21:22:55 JR: There is an option to decribe how it has been met. 21:25:09 JT: Should there be a link to the definition of Authoring Tool? 21:25:29 JT: Should the note go before the description of partial conformance? 21:25:52 JS: Notes should go before, because they are overlooked at the end. 21:27:09 action: JR to reword proposal on Conformance to bring the Conformance Level note up to before the Partial Conformance section. It turns the note into an Introduction. 21:27:09 Created ACTION-65 - Reword proposal on Conformance to bring the Conformance Level note up to before the Partial Conformance section. It turns the note into an Introduction. [on Jan Richards - due 2008-12-15]. 21:27:15 JR has joined #au 21:27:27 none here 21:28:03 JS: no concerns or comments 21:28:46 Authoring tools (see definition of Authoring Tool)... 21:29:01 Used to say "Authoring tools (see definition)"... 21:29:38 action: JS to update draft to fix the authoring tools link in the Conformance levels section so that the link text is descriptive. 21:29:38 Created ACTION-66 - Update draft to fix the authoring tools link in the Conformance levels section so that the link text is descriptive. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-15]. 21:30:45 topic: Outstanding Action Items 21:31:09 51 closed 21:31:56 greg will work on action item 38 today 21:32:18 action 40 has been forwarded to Jeanne 21:32:18 Sorry, couldn't find user - 40 21:33:02 action: JS to update draft with Jutta's edits from action 40. See email from Jan for details. 21:33:02 Created ACTION-67 - Update draft with Jutta's edits from action 40. See email from Jan for details. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-15]. 21:38:13 Topic: Next heartbeat draft 21:40:00 ATIA conference is Jan 28-31. A heartbeat draft in mid-January would be done in time. 21:40:29 JS: We would have the conformance section revised. What other sections would be done? 21:41:05 JR: A heartbeat publication wouldn't require substantive changes. We want to fix the typographical error. 21:41:26 Topic: Alternative text for images 21:44:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0040.html 21:44:12 There is discussion in different groups about automatically generated alternative text. We want to encourage authors to use meaningful alt, for example, saving meaningful alt and suggesting reuse. 21:44:48 rrsagent, make minutes 21:44:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html jeanne 21:47:17 [review of issues] 21:48:35 JT: There is a proposal to allow automated generated of alt. If we know that it has been machine-generated, what does that do to other checkers? 21:49:30 JT: Have we ever reached a conclusion about the role of the authoring tool? 21:49:40 JR: What information should that format hold? 21:50:37 JR: it shouldn't only be alt, although alt is the most overloaded. 21:51:23 JT: What happens when the Authoring Tool presents machine-authored text to the author? Won't the author just take the text offered? 21:51:52 s/Won't the author just take the text offered?/JR: Won't the author just take the text offered? 21:53:25 JS: There are new technologies emerging that can generate good (but not great) captions for video. We don't want to block that. 21:53:57 JT: The issue isn't blocking it, the issue is informing the listener where the alternative came from. 21:56:49 JR: It was required in HTML 4, and HTML 5 suggested removing the requirement of alt for validation. There was pushback from some members of the disability community that removing the validity requirement would negatively impact accessibility. 21:57:18 JR: another proposal being discussed is the use of the attribute "noalt". 21:57:32 JT: Look forward to seeing it in a survey. 21:57:38 TOpic: Next Meeting 21:57:57 Next meeting Monday, 15 December 21:58:21 JT: That is a holiday in Spain. 21:58:29 meeting adjourned. 21:58:36 zakim, bye 21:58:36 Zakim has left #au 21:58:42 rrsagent, make minutes 21:58:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html jeanne 22:00:16 rrsagent, bye 22:00:16 I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-actions.rdf : 22:00:16 ACTION: JS to add examples of the accessibility platform architecture to #7 of the Conformance claim [1] 22:00:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-irc#T21-19-08 22:00:16 ACTION: JR to reword proposal on Conformance to bring the Conformance Level note up to before the Partial Conformance section. It turns the note into an Introduction. [2] 22:00:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-irc#T21-27-09 22:00:16 ACTION: JS to update draft to fix the authoring tools link in the Conformance levels section so that the link text is descriptive. [3] 22:00:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-irc#T21-29-38 22:00:16 ACTION: JS to update draft with Jutta's edits from action 40. See email from Jan for details. [4] 22:00:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-irc#T21-33-02