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15:58:15 <Ashok> zakim, this is rdb2rdf
15:58:15 <Zakim> ok, Ashok; that matches INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM
15:58:31 <Ashok> chair: Ashok Malhotra
15:58:45 <Ashok> meeting: RDB2RDF Telcon 
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16:07:59 <Ashok> Topic: Approve minutes for Nov 21 telcon
16:08:06 <Zakim> -??P10
16:08:31 <Ashok> No objections.  Minutes approved
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16:11:08 <Ashok> +present Satya
16:11:41 <Ashok> +present Axel_Polleres
16:11:50 <AxelPolleres> I would not be able to support on either 12 or 19
16:11:59 <AxelPolleres> s/support/attend/
16:13:14 <Ashok> Topic:  Next telcon
16:13:31 <Ashok> We will have a telcon on Dec 12.  Dec 19 telcon TBD
16:14:58 <Ashok> +present Themis
16:15:22 <Ashok> Topic:  Action items.
16:15:31 <Ashok> First 2 action items done!
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16:16:50 <Ashok> Topic: Literature Survey
16:17:21 <Ashok> Satya:  I have incorporated Sebastian's comments
16:17:47 <Ashok> Juan:  Shd we comment on the paper or the  Wiki?
16:17:49 <Zakim> + +0049341973aahh
16:18:00 <Ashok> Satya: Either
16:19:11 <Ashok> Ashok:  Set a deadline for comments, say early Jan\
16:19:21 <Ashok> Satya:  I will send out email.
16:20:52 <Ashok> Juan:  When does this group finish?
16:21:10 <Ashok> Ashok: mid-February
16:22:23 <Ashok> Ashok: Please read Proposed Recommendation
16:23:36 <Ashok> Topic:  Using RIF
16:23:50 <Ashok> Axel:  RIF syntax is not ideal
16:24:14 <Ashok> Axel: Open to alternate syntax
16:24:50 <Ashok> Axel:  We can also add extensions
16:26:02 <Ashok> Ashok:  Please look at proposed recommabout RIFendation and see what you want to add 
16:28:01 <Ashok> http://esw.w3.org/topic/Rdb2RdfXG?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ProposedRecommendation  
16:29:21 <Ashok> ACTION:  Axel to propose changes to recommendation to use RIF.   By X'mas.  Discuss on Jan 8 Telcon
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16:30:19 <Ashok> Topic:  ENs work on using standard URIs
16:30:37 <Ashok> http://esw.w3.org/topic/Rdb2RdfXG/ReusableIdentifier
16:32:11 <Ashok> Themis discusses  OKKAM work
16:33:04 <AxelPolleres> Is there a link for ENS?
16:35:55 <AxelPolleres> So, it is not yet there... I suggest then to reword "The Entity Name System (ENS) is a web-scale system for assigning and managing unique identifiers to entities in the WWW" to "The Entity Name System (ENS) is a planned web-scale system for assigning and managing unique identifiers to entities in the WWW that is worked upon in the OKKAM project."
16:37:06 <Ashok> Ashok:  How do you find URIs in this database?
16:37:18 <Ashok> Themis:  It's like a web search
16:38:34 <Zakim> -Andrew_Eisenberg
16:38:46 <Ashok> Ashok:  Looks like it requies a human being?
16:38:56 <Ashok> Themis:  No, not always
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16:40:17 <AxelPolleres> q+
16:44:04 <Ashok> Axel:  How far is this ENS currently?
16:44:15 <Ashok> Axel:  It's a good idea
16:45:48 <Ashok> Themis:  We have a prototype with all the geoloactions, people, etc.
16:46:03 <Ashok> We are adding protien identifiers.
16:46:19 <Ashok> Expect a public prototype early next year
16:46:47 <Ashok> Ahmed: Asks about primary key
16:47:27 <Ashok> Themis:  Not a close relation with primary key
16:48:34 <Ashok> Themis:  Need to formulate a query with relevant information
16:49:43 <Ashok> Juan: If you get more than 1 result what do yiu do?
16:50:18 <Ashok> Themis:  Needs human intervention.  We have some ideas for resolving such conflicts
16:52:34 <AxelPolleres> Except best practices, what is it what you aim at standardising here at this point? I believe in ENS being a useful tool here, but how does it fit in a standardised RDB2RDF pipeline, i.e. what is the action/potential for W3C in general and RDB2RDF in particular at this point?
16:53:18 <Ashok> Ashok:  Good question, Axel!
16:53:39 <Ashok> I see it as a facility that can be used as part of the mapping process.
16:53:53 <Ashok> I do not see it as part of the standard
16:54:02 <AxelPolleres> Does it mean that RDB2RDF can generate any RDF and ENS couls be used to "repair" the generated RDF or should ENS be directly in the pipeline? 
16:54:57 <Ashok> I need to think about that
17:01:36 <Ashok> Discussion about how ENs would be used in the mapping
17:01:57 <Ashok> Jenny:  Another usecase
17:02:16 <Ashok> Ashok:  I'm think of this as a helper function
17:02:47 <AxelPolleres> a helper function which could be ENS, or any other service, could be invoked in the mapping process... I think that we would only need to provide a "hook" for that.
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17:04:38 <Zakim> Attendees were +0341973aaaa, +1.512.471.aabb, +0341973aacc, Ashok_Malhotra, Andrew_Eisenberg, +049341973aadd, +49.341.973.aaee, +1.512.471.aaff, AxelPolleres, +039046188aagg,
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17:04:55 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
17:05:09 <Ashok> rrsagent, create minutes
17:05:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/05-RDB2RDF-minutes.html Ashok
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