IRC log of wai-wcag on 2008-12-04
Timestamps are in UTC.
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-wai-wcag-irc
- 20:59:23 [Ben]
- RRSAgent, make log world
- 20:59:28 [Ben]
- zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
- 20:59:28 [Zakim]
- ok, Ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- +Cooper
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- +??P1
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- +andrew
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- zakim, +??P1 is Roberto_Scano
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- sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named '+??P1'
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- zakim, ??P1 is Roberto_Scano
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- +Roberto_Scano; got it
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- +??P3
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- +Drew_LaHart
- 21:00:54 [Ben]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008OctDec/0052.html
- 21:00:58 [Ben]
- zakim, ??P3 is Ben
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- +Ben; got it
- 21:01:07 [rscano]
- zakim, i am Roberto_Scano
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- ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
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- +??P5
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- +Sofia_Celic
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- Zakim, Sofia_Celic has Alex_Li
- 21:01:24 [Zakim]
- +Alex_Li; got it
- 21:01:27 [rellero]
- zakim, +??P5 is Roberto_Ellero
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- sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P5'
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- zakim, +?P5 is Roberto_Ellero
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- sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+?P5'
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- zakim, ??P5 is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 21:01:39 [Ben]
- zakim, Ben is Ben_Caldwell
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- +Ben_Caldwell; got it
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver
- 21:01:47 [Ben]
- zakim, Ben has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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- +??P8
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- -??P8
- 21:02:12 [Ben]
- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
- 21:02:22 [MichaelC]
- regrets+ Bengt_Farre
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- agenda + Responses to AC Comments for 04 Dec 2008
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- ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
- 21:02:43 [Zakim]
- +??P8
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- 21:03:23 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P8 should be Marco_Bertoni
- 21:03:23 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P8 should be Marco_Bertoni', rscano
- 21:03:26 [mbertoni]
- zakim, +??P8 is Marco_Bertoni
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- sorry, mbertoni, I do not recognize a party named '+??P8'
- 21:03:36 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P8 is Marco_Bertoni
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- +Marco_Bertoni; got it
- 21:03:50 [rscano]
- zakim, mbertoni is Marco_Bertoni
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- sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named 'mbertoni'
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- zakim, i am Marco_Bertoni
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- ok, mbertoni, I now associate you with Marco_Bertoni
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 21:04:26 [MichaelC]
- zakim, who's on the call?
- 21:04:26 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Cooper, Roberto_Scano, andrew, Ben_Caldwell, Drew_LaHart, Roberto_Ellero, Sofia_Celic, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Marco_Bertoni, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- Sofia_Celic has Alex_Li
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- scribe: Andi
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- +??P10
- 21:07:35 [Ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from Ben]
- 21:07:43 [Makoto]
- zakim, [??P10] is Makoto_Ueki
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- sorry, Makoto, I do not recognize a party named '[??P10]'
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- zakim, ??P10 is Makoto_Ueki
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- +Makoto_Ueki; got it
- 21:08:33 [Ben]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20081105/
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- +??P11
- 21:12:16 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ??P11 is David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald; got it
- 21:12:36 [Ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:12:36 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Cooper, Roberto_Scano, andrew, Ben_Caldwell, Drew_LaHart, Roberto_Ellero, Sofia_Celic, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Marco_Bertoni, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
- 21:12:39 [Zakim]
- ... Makoto_Ueki, David_MacDonald
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- Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- Sofia_Celic has Alex_Li
- 21:13:34 [Andi]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Responses to AC Comments for 04 Dec 2008" taken up [from Ben]
- 21:13:42 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
- 21:13:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 closed
- 21:13:43 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
- 21:13:44 [Zakim]
- 1. Announcements, Questions, and Updates [from Ben]
- 21:13:50 [Ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 21:13:50 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from Ben]
- 21:13:57 [Andi]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20081204misc/results
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- topic: SC 1.4.3 Contrast Ratio
- 21:15:28 [Zakim]
- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- + +1.202.393.aaaa
- 21:18:55 [MichaelC]
- zakim, +1.202 is Tim_Boland
- 21:18:56 [Zakim]
- +Tim_Boland; got it
- 21:19:15 [Andi]
- resolution: change 1.4.3 to "The visual presentation of text and images of text has a contrast ratio of at least 5:1, except for the following: (Level AA) "
- 21:19:48 [greggvanderheiden]
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- 21:22:31 [Andi]
- s/at least 4.5:1/at least 5:1/
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- RESOLUTION: If the change of luminosity contrast ratio to 4.5:1 would affect the transition to Recommendation, the Working Group resolves to keep the luminosity contrast ratio at the current value of 5:1.
- 21:26:40 [Loretta]
- ack ka
- 21:26:42 [Zakim]
- -Drew_LaHart
- 21:29:36 [Andi]
- resolution: change 1.4.3 to "The visual presentation of text and images of text has a contrast ratio of at least 4.5:1, except for the following: (Level AA)"
- 21:31:33 [Andi]
- topic: Issue 2683: Understanding 2.4.1: misleading point?
- 21:31:50 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept issue 2683 as proposed.
- 21:32:10 [Andi]
- TOPIC: Issue 2684: Nested headings
- 21:38:57 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept issue 2684 as amended.
- 21:39:21 [Andi]
- TOPIC: Issue 2685: validity
- 21:41:04 [Loretta]
- The working group looked at the topic of validity carefully over an extended period of time and concluded that validity was beyond the scope of accessibility and therefore outside the mandate the group’s mission because strict adherence to specifications does not necessarily correlate to accessibility.
- 21:44:42 [greggvanderheiden]
- The working group looked at the topic of validity carefully over an extended period of time and concluded that validity went beyond the scope of accessibility and therefore outside the mandate the group’s mission because some aspects of validity do not affect accessibility.
- 21:45:41 [greggvanderheiden]
- The working group looked at the topic of validity carefully over an extended period of time and concluded that validity went beyond the scope of accessibility and therefore beyond the groups charter because some aspects of validity do not affect accessibility.
- 21:46:14 [rscano]
- ok
- 21:47:04 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept 2685 as amended.
- 21:47:24 [Andi]
- TOPIC: Issue 2686: Too difficult
- 21:47:50 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept issue 2686 as amended.
- 21:48:14 [Andi]
- TOPIC: Issue 2687: Style changer
- 21:50:21 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept issue 2687 as proposed.
- 21:53:21 [Andi]
- TOPIC: Issue 2688: Language of SC 1.4.5 unclear
- 21:53:50 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept issue 2688 as proposed.
- 21:54:15 [Andi]
- TOPIC: Issue 2689: Expand info required by 4.1.2
- 22:00:13 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Scano
- 22:00:55 [Loretta]
- When the Section 508 revisions become official, we would like to update the related resources in the WCAG 2.0 Understanding documents to reference related sections. Understanding 4.1.2 would reference Ssection 3-U.
- 22:01:06 [rscano]
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- 22:02:05 [Loretta]
- In future revisions, the Working Group hopes to include references to the TEITAC documents in the Understanding document.
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- -Marco_Bertoni
- 22:03:27 [mbertoni]
- good night
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- 22:03:58 [Loretta]
- In future revisions, the Working Group plans to include references to the TEITAC documents in the WCAG 2.0 Understanding documents.
- 22:04:59 [Loretta]
- ack br
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- ack k
- 22:05:04 [greggvanderheiden]
- ack k
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- -David_MacDonald
- 22:06:15 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept 2689 as amended.
- 22:06:48 [Andi]
- TOPIC: Issue 2690: G10 should not be acceptable for SC 4.1.2
- 22:13:55 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept issue 2690 as amended.
- 22:14:47 [Andi]
- TOPIC: Issue 2691: Understanding Accessibility Support needs updating
- 22:15:07 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept issue 2691 as amended.
- 22:15:29 [Andi]
- TOPIC: Issue 2692: Statement of Partial Conformance
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- -Tim_Boland
- 22:23:41 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept issue 2692 as proposed.
- 22:23:59 [Andi]
- TOPIC: Issue 2693: require multiple platform support
- 22:24:14 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Accept issue 2693 as proposed.
- 22:28:02 [Andi]
- RESOLUTION: Request to transition WCAG 2.0 to W3C Recommendation
- 22:31:39 [Loretta]
- ack k
- 22:43:07 [Zakim]
- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- -andrew
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
- 22:44:43 [Zakim]
- -Sofia_Celic
- 22:44:47 [Zakim]
- -Makoto_Ueki
- 22:45:00 [Ben]
- Present: Bruce_Bailey, Cooper, Roberto_Scano, Andrew_, Ben_Caldwell, Drew_LaHart, Roberto_Ellero, Sofia_Celic, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Marco_Bertoni, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Makoto_Ueki, David_MacDonald, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Alex_Li, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 22:48:17 [Ben]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 22:48:17 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items