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15:58:16 <TomB> rrsagent, bookmark
15:58:16 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T15-58-16
15:58:21 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
15:58:21 <Zakim> ok, TomB; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:26 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
15:58:30 <TomB> Chair: Tom
15:58:51 <TomB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0005.html
15:58:59 <TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html
15:59:28 <TomB> rrsagent, please make record public
16:00:05 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started
16:00:12 <Zakim> +??P40
16:00:19 <Antoine> Antoine has joined #swd
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16:02:21 <Zakim> + +0786654aaaa
16:02:54 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
16:03:06 <aliman> zakim, 4aaaa is aliman
16:03:06 <Zakim> sorry, aliman, I do not recognize a party named '4aaaa'
16:03:07 <TomB> Regrets: Ed
16:03:11 <Zakim> +Antoine_Isaac
16:03:12 <berrueta> zakim, [CTIC] is me
16:03:14 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
16:03:21 <aliman> zakim, 0786654aaaa is me
16:03:21 <Zakim> sorry, aliman, I do not recognize a party named '0786654aaaa'
16:03:29 <Zakim> +??P59
16:03:36 <seanb> zakim, ??P59 is me
16:03:36 <Zakim> +seanb; got it
16:03:37 <aliman> zakim, + +0786654aaaa is me
16:03:37 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +0786654aaaa is me', aliman
16:03:48 <aliman> zakim, +0786654aaaa is me
16:03:48 <Zakim> +aliman; got it
16:03:55 <aliman> /me got there in the end
16:06:11 <TomB> Scribe: Antoine
16:06:15 <TomB> scribenick: Antoine
16:06:26 <Antoine> Topic: ADMIN 
16:06:51 <Antoine> RESOLVED to accept minutes of the last telecon
16:06:55 <Zakim> +??P22
16:07:11 <Antoine> RESOLVED: next telecon  9 December
16:07:21 <Antoine> Zakim, +??P22 is Guus
16:07:21 <Zakim> sorry, Antoine, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22'
16:07:27 <Antoine> Zakim, ??P22 is Guus
16:07:27 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
16:07:44 <Antoine> Topic: RDFa
16:07:55 <Antoine> ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:08:01 <Antoine> -- CONTINUES
16:08:08 <Antoine> Topic: Recipes
16:08:20 <Antoine> ACTION: Diego write a proposal to republish Recipes with the httpRange-14 reference corrected and a link to an errata document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:08:22 <berrueta> new editor's draft -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/recipes/draft-20081201.html
16:08:29 <GuusS> GuusS has joined #swd
16:08:30 <Antoine> --DONE
16:08:43 <Antoine> Diego: changes are...
16:08:53 <Antoine> ... new companion document
16:09:00 <Antoine> ... new change log section
16:09:16 <Antoine> ... with respect to the issue that was mentioned
16:09:28 <Antoine> ... the obsolete references were replaced
16:10:05 <Antoine> Tom: does the curent version refers to the TAG position?
16:10:16 <Antoine> .. explicitly?
16:10:24 <Antoine> s/curent/current
16:11:05 <Antoine> ... it is not clear to me whether the TAG document is intended to be cited like that
16:11:16 <Antoine> Diego: not sure, indeed
16:11:35 <Antoine> ... we cite the Cool URIs, we also have reference to email of TAG resolution
16:11:51 <Antoine> Tom: we should have somebody review these changes and report back
16:12:25 <Antoine> Guus: I propose that we consult Ralph
16:12:46 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
16:12:49 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:13:05 <Antoine> Topic: RDFA metadata note
16:13:11 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
16:13:14 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:13:21 <Antoine> Topic: AOB
16:13:29 <Antoine> ACTION: Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
16:13:35 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:13:39 <Antoine> Topic: SKOS
16:13:59 <Antoine> ACTION: Guus and Jeremy to give concrete implementation examples of the use of rdfs:label w/ SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
16:14:20 <Antoine> Sean: do we still require dealing with this issue?
16:14:27 <Antoine> ... the draft response has gone out
16:14:37 <Antoine> Tom, Guus: OK
16:14:53 <Antoine> ACTION: Guus and Jeremy to give concrete implementation examples of the use of rdfs:label w/ SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
16:14:55 <Antoine> --DROPPED
16:15:01 <Antoine> ACTION: Alistair send issue 135 response from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action08]
16:15:09 <aliman> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0014.html ISSUE-135 response
16:15:12 <Antoine> --DONE
16:15:33 <Antoine> ACTION: Sean to add rdf:type and rdf:Property assertions to the skos schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action07]
16:15:36 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:15:52 <Antoine> Tom: SKOS namespace question
16:16:02 <Antoine> Sean: a draft response has been written
16:16:13 <seanb> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0019.html
16:16:27 <Antoine> ... Antoine and Alistair are happy with the proposed appendix
16:16:42 <Antoine> ... we can send the draft and we're done
16:17:46 <aliman> PROPOSED: to respond to ISSUE-135 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0019.html
16:18:06 <seanb> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0018.html
16:18:13 <Antoine> PROPOSED that we approve the proposed resolution to ISSUE-153 and ISSUE-175
16:18:14 <aliman> s/135/153/
16:19:20 <Antoine> PROPOSED: to respond to ISSUE-153 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0019.html
16:19:53 <Antoine> Guus: I support
16:20:03 <Antoine> RESOLVED  to respond to ISSUE-153 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0019.html
16:20:15 <aliman> for the record, I support this
16:20:23 <Antoine>  PROPOSED: to respond to ISSUE-175 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0020.html
16:20:31 <Antoine> s/20/18
16:20:50 <Antoine>  PROPOSED: to respond to ISSUE-175 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0018.html
16:21:16 <Antoine> Tom: is there any difference in the text?
16:21:23 <Antoine> Sean: not really
16:21:37 <Antoine> ... just in case one says yes and the other says no
16:21:47 <Antoine> RESOLVED  to respond to ISSUE-175 commenter as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0018.html
16:22:29 <Antoine> Tom: OWL-DL aspect
16:22:46 <Antoine> Sean: I need to discuss with Guus, I don't think there is a big issue here
16:22:50 <Antoine> ACTION: Guus discuss response to issue 157 with Sean [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action12]
16:22:53 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:24:14 <Antoine> Aliman: are we going to say that we will not make substantive changes?
16:24:18 <Antoine> Guus: yes
16:24:42 <Antoine> ... we might have a note indicating what kind of precautions OWL-DL people have to take
16:25:01 <Antoine> ... with the annotation property decision we made that should be ok
16:25:14 <Antoine> ACTION: Alistair add an issue for Bernard's comment on mappingRelation and draft a response [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action13]
16:25:15 <Antoine> --DONE
16:25:35 <aliman> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0012.html new issue for mappingRelation
16:25:53 <Antoine> ACTION: Guus send response for issue 186 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action10]
16:25:55 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:26:20 <Antoine> --DONE
16:26:22 <Antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0010.html
16:26:58 <Antoine> SKOS Primer
16:27:01 <Antoine> ACTION: Antoine propose 1 or 2 SPARQL examples showing named graph usage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action14]
16:27:04 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:27:41 <Ralph> Ralph has joined #swd
16:27:54 <Zakim> +Ralph
16:28:14 <aliman> antoine: issue closed 160, alistair proposed issue is closed by change to primer...
16:28:21 <aliman> ...this is not recorded anywhere else.
16:28:22 <Ralph> [Ralph arrives late]
16:28:42 <Antoine> Alistair: we spent a response to Doug
16:28:56 <TomB> s/spent/sent/
16:29:01 <Antoine> .. he answered but asking a modification to Primer
16:29:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:29:38 <TomB> I just dropped off of the call!
16:29:40 <Zakim> -??P40
16:29:44 <TomB> redialing
16:30:15 <Zakim> +??P28
16:31:19 <Antoine> ACTION: Antoine to write something in Primer wrt. ISSUE 160
16:31:47 <Antoine> Guus: we should go through the issue list
16:32:12 <Antoine> Tom: before: Ralph, we wanted to ask you advice
16:32:27 <Antoine> ... on the process of re-publishing the Recipes
16:32:49 <Antoine> ... especially wrt. having the reference to the TAG decision
16:33:12 <Antoine> ... and about the process of re-publishing the note (reviews, etc.)
16:33:38 <Antoine> Ralph: I don't have a strong opinion about the citation of the TAG finding
16:34:00 <Antoine> ... I suggest that we might use the internal review process we have used in the past
16:34:20 <Antoine> Tom: since the changes are of technical nature
16:34:35 <Antoine> ... Ralph would you be willing to review them from that perspective?
16:34:38 <Antoine> Ralph: yes
16:34:57 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft
16:35:26 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/recipes/draft-20081201.html Recipes Editor's Draft 01-December
16:35:36 <Antoine> Tom: SKOS raised issues
16:35:46 <Antoine> s/raised/open
16:36:06 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/3
16:36:07 <seanb> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/3
16:36:50 <Antoine> Alistair: I assumed that for some issues there would be an agreement
16:36:58 <Antoine> ... as we implemented what the commenter proposed
16:37:19 <Antoine> Ralph: it's probably wise to send a response to reviewer
16:37:25 <Antoine> ... just saying that we agreed
16:37:30 <Antoine> Tom: ISSUE 130
16:37:35 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/130 issue 130
16:37:47 <Ralph> s/ 130/ 130 skos:hasTopConcept and skos:topConceptOf
16:38:12 <Antoine> Alistair: we're expecting answer
16:38:21 <Antoine> ... how long do we need to wait?
16:39:21 <Antoine> ... apart from 153/157/175 there have been answers sent for all issues
16:40:24 <Antoine> ... 181-185 Antoine send on nov 6
16:40:33 <Antoine> Tom: the most recent is 186
16:41:00 <Antoine> Ralph: shorter than a week would be questionable
16:41:25 <Antoine> Tom: by next week we could be done to just three issues
16:41:44 <Ralph> s/done/down
16:42:35 <Antoine> Tom: it seems we're almost done with the issues
16:42:46 <Antoine> ... we should shift our attention to the other documents
16:42:55 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Dec/0023.html "Update on Last Call Comments" [Alistair 2008-12-02]
16:43:01 <Antoine> ... UCR, Primer
16:43:51 <Antoine> Guus: we could be just in time to make a candidate REC request before Xmas
16:43:59 <Antoine> Ralph: it would be tight
16:44:14 <Antoine> .. the document has to pass pubrules checker before 18 dec
16:44:37 <Antoine> ... I won't be available for a telecon on Dec 16
16:44:53 <Antoine> ... if we have something for the 16 I could send it in time
16:45:04 <Antoine> Guus: we would then to have to vote next week
16:45:30 <Antoine> Ralph: we could vote next week if we have responses to the last 3 issues
16:46:00 <Antoine> ... I could try to ask for a director's decision for Dec 17
16:46:31 <Antoine> ... the sooner we get answers, the better for scheduling the decision
16:46:54 <Antoine> Tom: if Guus and Sean can propose a resolution to 157
16:47:07 <Antoine> ... and if we can approve that on the list
16:47:08 <Ralph> s/if we have/with the understanding that our vote is contingent on the commentors accepting our reponse
16:48:21 <Antoine> Ralph: maybe anything we release before Xmas would not get attention
16:49:23 <Antoine> ... we could vote to resolve all the issues and ask for CR in the first week of January
16:50:55 <Antoine> Ralph: my proposal would be to request CR by the 16th
16:51:13 <Antoine> ... on the 17th I will ask for an extension of our charter
16:51:47 <Antoine> Ralph: how long are we considering for CR?
16:51:53 <Antoine> Guus: 4-6 weeks
16:52:22 <Antoine> Ralph: I suggest on Dec 16 resolution to request CR on first week of January
16:52:44 <Antoine> ... and on 17th I ask for a extension to April
16:52:55 <Ralph> s/April/ end of April
16:53:01 <Antoine> ... that would fit an end for CR in March
16:53:57 <Antoine> Guus: we can ask on the list whether people disagree for a response on 157
16:54:35 <Antoine> ... once a draft response has been posted
16:54:47 <Antoine> ... and next Tuesday we make the formal decision
16:54:53 <Antoine> Tom: ok!
16:55:05 <Antoine> Tom: any issues to raise?
16:55:57 <Antoine> Tom: meeting is adjourned
16:56:07 <Zakim> -berrueta
16:56:09 <Zakim> -TomB
16:56:13 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:56:41 <Antoine> zakim, list participants
16:56:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, seanb, aliman, Guus, Ralph, TomB
16:56:56 <Antoine> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:57:06 <Antoine> RRSAgent, generate minutes
16:57:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html Antoine
16:57:20 <Antoine> Zakim, bye
16:57:20 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, seanb, aliman, Guus, Ralph, TomB
16:57:20 <Zakim> Zakim has left #swd
16:57:50 <Antoine> RRSAgent, bye
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> I see 15 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-actions.rdf :
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [1]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-07-55
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Diego write a proposal to republish Recipes with the httpRange-14 reference corrected and a link to an errata document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action02] [2]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-08-20
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [3]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-12-46
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03] [4]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-13-11
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10] [5]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-13-29
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus and Jeremy to give concrete implementation examples of the use of rdfs:label w/ SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10] [6]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-13-59
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus and Jeremy to give concrete implementation examples of the use of rdfs:label w/ SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10] [7]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-14-53
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair send issue 135 response from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action08] [8]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-15-01
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean to add rdf:type and rdf:Property assertions to the skos schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action07] [9]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-15-33
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus discuss response to issue 157 with Sean [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action12] [10]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-22-50
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair add an issue for Bernard's comment on mappingRelation and draft a response [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action13] [11]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-25-14
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus send response for issue 186 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action10] [12]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-25-53
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine propose 1 or 2 SPARQL examples showing named graph usage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action14] [13]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-27-01
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine to write something in Primer wrt. ISSUE 160 [14]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-31-19
16:57:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [15]
16:57:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-irc#T16-34-57