IRC log of soap-jms on 2008-12-02

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logging to
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be SJMS
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 02 December 2008
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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has now started
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17:05:08 [mphillip]
scribe: mphillip
17:05:17 [Roland]
Chair: Roland
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Regrets: Eric, Bhakti, Amy
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17:05:48 [Roland]
Topic: Actions
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Topic : Actions
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Action 19 - No progress
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Sorry, couldn't find user - 19
17:07:22 [mphillip]
Roland: no progress on actions 32 and 48
17:07:44 [mphillip]
Roland: or 51 and 53
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close action-54
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ACTION-54 Send email to secretary general to progress the IETF spec closed
17:08:38 [mphillip]
Topic: URI Spec
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Roland: Eric has forwarded a note containing the options to the list
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Topic: Binding Spec
17:10:06 [mphillip]
Roland: In Last Call - no comments received yet
17:10:12 [mphillip]
Topic: Testing
17:10:32 [mphillip]
Roland: No test cases created yet, no nothing else to discuss at this time
17:11:37 [mphillip]
Phil: On the subject of assertions, in our spec. we are prescriptive about the format of the message body
17:12:07 [mphillip]
Phil: i.e. If the message contains attachments, it will be a mime multipart message
17:12:22 [mphillip]
Phile: otherwise it will be a regular SOAP envelope
17:13:05 [mphillip]
Phil: However it is not the transport's responsibility to determine the format of the message - this happens higher in the stack by the SOAP serialiser
17:15:22 [mphillip]
Phil: The spec. might be easier to implement if we alter some of the assertions in the spec so that they do not impose these message formats
17:15:54 [mphillip]
Roland: The most important consideration is interoperability - how would changes like this affect interoperability
17:17:26 [mphillip]
Phil: This *shouldn't* affect interoperability - the content type of the payload should be passed up the SOAP stack for the higher levels to interpret
17:19:13 [mphillip]
Phil: In the Apache Axis 2 JAX-WS implementation, if MTOM is enabled then every message is created as a mime-multipart message regardless of whether it has an attachment
17:19:55 [mphillip]
Roland: We need to work through the implications of how this might affect interoperability
17:24:03 [Phil];%20charset=utf-8
17:24:37 [mphillip]
Roland: The point of testing is to find issues like this and we may have to react to them
17:28:58 [mphillip]
Phil: The JMS content type property and the SOAP or other payload of the message must match but do we need to be more prescriptive than that?
17:29:30 [mphillip]
Roland: We need to look at the SOAP with Attachments spec. to see if these are the requirements from that spec.
17:31:03 [mphillip]
action Phil to look at the relevant specifications e.g. SOAP with Attachments to assess whether SOAP/JMS binding spec. needs the assertions regarding content type
17:31:04 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-55 - Look at the relevant specifications e.g. SOAP with Attachments to assess whether SOAP/JMS binding spec. needs the assertions regarding content type [on Phil Adams - due 2008-12-09].
17:32:30 [mphillip]
Phil: From the standpoint of interoperability, the content type doesn't matter to the SOAP/JMS transport - it just has to be relayed between the SOAP sending and receiving nodes
17:32:51 [mphillip]
Phil: HTTP and JMS should work the same way
17:32:58 [mphillip]
Roland: That was our intent
17:34:19 [mphillip]
Peter: SWA spec mentions SMTP - JMS is in similar situation
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17:35:06 [mphillip]
rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate mphillip
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I have made the request to generate Yves
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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Roland, Derek, mphillip, Peter_Easton, Yves, Phil
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I have made the request to generate Yves
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