IRC log of mediaann on 2008-12-02

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mediaann-irc

12:55:38 [Zakim]

IA_MAWG()8:00AM has now started

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+Joakim

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12:56:09 [jsderber]

chair Daniel

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chair: Daniel

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12:57:02 [jsderber]

Scribe: felix

12:59:15 [Zakim]

+??P2

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-Joakim

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+Joakim

12:59:23 [hui]

I also, will only follow the irc, sorry

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+??P1

13:00:35 [jsderber]

rrsagent, make log public

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13:01:32 [Daniel]

once Felix is coming, let's start today call since he is a scriber today

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+ +51810aaaa

13:02:28 [thierry]

what time is the Annot WG call today ?

13:02:57 [jsderber]

zakim, who is here?

13:02:57 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Joakim, ??P2, ??P1, +51810aaaa

13:02:58 [Zakim]

On IRC I see thierry, Vero, ruben, davy, hui, RRSAgent, Zakim, Daniel, jsderber, wonsuk, trackbot

13:03:12 [Zakim]

+??P8

13:03:40 [Zakim]

+Thierry

13:03:44 [Daniel]

http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-mediaann-minutes.html

13:04:36 [jsderber]

ho is noisy?

13:04:43 [jsderber]

who is noisy?

13:05:15 [jsderber]

zakim, who is noisy?

13:05:22 [Daniel]

any volunteeer for the next call ?

13:05:26 [Zakim]

jsderber, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P2 (9%), Thierry (28%)

13:05:46 [Daniel]

if you would be a scriber, then let chairs know later via email

13:06:05 [jsderber]

zakim, mute Thierry

13:06:05 [Zakim]

Thierry should now be muted

13:07:13 [jsderber]

zakim, who is noisy?

13:07:20 [Daniel]

we'd confirm UTC 13:00 for every call from the next, so don't be confused

13:07:24 [Zakim]

jsderber, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joakim (21%), ??P2 (41%), ??P8 (40%)

13:07:31 [Daniel]

any commnets on this changes ?

13:07:42 [jsderber]

Change meeting hours to permanent at 13.00!

13:07:49 [jsderber]

+1

13:07:55 [wonsuk]

+1

13:08:18 [ruben]

+1

13:08:21 [jsderber]

zakim, mute ??P2

13:08:21 [Zakim]

??P2 should now be muted

13:08:23 [hui]

+1

13:08:47 [jsderber]

zakim, mute ??P8

13:08:47 [Zakim]

??P8 should now be muted

13:09:01 [Daniel]

next call December 16 13:00 UTC

13:09:21 [jsderber]

zakim, unmute ??P8

13:09:21 [Zakim]

??P8 should no longer be muted

13:09:36 [Daniel]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_Ghentf2f_2008

13:10:02 [jsderber]

zakim, unmute ??P2

13:10:02 [Zakim]

??P2 should no longer be muted

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13:10:21 [jsderber]

zakim, unmute Thierry

13:10:21 [Zakim]

Thierry should no longer be muted

13:11:30 [Daniel]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

13:12:15 [Daniel]

ACTION-32 is closed

13:12:39 [Daniel]

I've sent an official liaison letter to MPEG.

13:13:23 [Daniel]

ACTION-42 is closed

13:13:56 [Daniel]

ACTION-20/22/33 is postponed since Felix is not coming

13:15:36 [Daniel]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/FeaturesTable

13:16:56 [jsderber]

Ruben added comments to the table

13:16:56 [Daniel]

Ruben is changing the feature tables

13:17:57 [jsderber]

Victor can speak about the feature table in Ghent

13:19:06 [Daniel]

Ruben's colleague will be able to participate f2f meeting. then he will speak about that

13:19:30 [Daniel]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/FlickrMachineTags

13:21:44 [Daniel]

can you elaborate on the machine tags in brief ?

13:23:40 [jsderber]

Continue discussions about flickr machine tags on next mwwting

13:23:46 [Daniel]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/issues/open/

13:25:48 [Daniel]

Felix proposed a new format for use case & req. document.

13:26:20 [Daniel]

since Felix is not coming today, the updated document will be sent to the mailing list later

13:26:25 [wonsuk]

http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html

13:26:57 [Daniel]

top-down approach is removed from the previous version

13:29:22 [Vero]

the idea is that people who contributed to the use cases could elaborate on them according to the new templte

13:29:52 [Vero]

and they would be integrated in the general use case document

13:30:31 [Daniel]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MXM

13:31:53 [Daniel]

contributor will speak about MXM issue at Ghent meeting

13:32:11 [jsderber]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MetadataExchangeUsecase

13:33:40 [Daniel]

I can't hear Veronique's voice on the phone

13:34:03 [Daniel]

my question: it's incluced in our document ?

13:35:45 [Daniel]

http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html

13:35:55 [Daniel]

http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html

13:36:32 [Daniel]

please take a look at these links, and let group know if you have any opinion on these

13:37:19 [Vero]

yes, it is part of the above document, section 2.8 MEtadata exchange

13:37:37 [Vero]

Felix has added it to the new version, according to his template

13:38:21 [jsderber]

Does Veronique or Wonsuk like to comment the editorial work?

13:38:50 [Daniel]

also, do you mind if we have this metadata exchange use case without any discussion ?

13:38:58 [Vero]

well, I think that the document as Felix has restrucutured it is quite clear and up to the point

13:39:23 [Vero]

if teh WG would approve it, we could edit the application scenario and uses cases that have yet to be re-edited

13:39:33 [Vero]

with the contributor's inputs

13:40:03 [Vero]

anyone can discuss the use cases and requirements

13:40:29 [Vero]

nothing is definitive yet

13:40:49 [Vero]

but this structure is simple and efficient, so I would vote to keep it like it is

13:40:59 [Vero]

the content can be further discussed, of course

13:41:04 [Vero]

and new use cases added

13:41:09 [jsderber]

Ask everyone to read the doucment and come with commetns before the F2F

13:41:47 [Vero]

s/doucment/document/

13:41:51 [Daniel]

question: we would vote to keep it like it is

13:41:59 [Daniel]

+1

13:42:06 [Vero]

what is "it"?

13:42:15 [Vero]

the structure or the content?

13:42:22 [Daniel]

it means the current format of use case and requirement document

13:42:29 [Vero]

ok, +1

13:42:32 [wonsuk]

+1

13:42:39 [jsderber]

+1

13:42:42 [ruben]

+1

13:44:02 [Vero]

nothing special

13:44:06 [Daniel]

any other issues ?

13:44:49 [Daniel]

thanks. and have a safe trip to Ghent

13:44:49 [wonsuk]

see you in ghent..

13:44:51 [wonsuk]

bye

13:44:55 [jsderber]

rrsagent, draft minutes

13:44:55 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mediaann-minutes.html jsderber

13:45:01 [Zakim]

- +51810aaaa

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-??P8

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-Joakim

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-??P2

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-??P1

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zakim, ??P2 is Daniel

13:47:04 [Zakim]

I already had ??P2 as ??P2, jsderber

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zakim, ??P8 is Daniel

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I already had ??P8 as ??P8, jsderber

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+Felix

13:52:29 [Daniel]

hi

13:52:36 [Daniel]

we've done today call

13:52:51 [jsderber]

I did the same two weeks ago!

13:52:52 [Daniel]

13:00 UTC, 22:00 in Korea and Japan

13:52:58 [jsderber]

(missed by 1 h)

13:53:17 [Zakim]

-Felix

13:53:45 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintes', fsasaki. Try /msg RRSAgent help

13:53:48 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki

13:53:49 [Zakim]

-Thierry

13:53:50 [Zakim]

IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended

13:53:51 [Zakim]

Attendees were Joakim, +51810aaaa, Thierry, Felix

13:53:52 [Daniel]

anyhow, have a good night Felix and see you next week in Ghent

13:54:08 [plh]

argh, I didn't manage to join the call once again :(

13:54:20 [fsasaki]

yes, but this time it is my fault

13:54:26 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop logging', fsasaki. Try /msg RRSAgent help

13:54:37 [plh]

when will it be next week?

13:54:41 [plh]

smae time as today?

13:54:43 [fsasaki]

we will have the f2f in Ghent

13:54:47 [plh]

ah yes

13:54:48 [fsasaki]

next week

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13:55:40 [Daniel]

Felix and Philippe, I should go now for taking care of my children...take care and see you later

13:55:47 [fsasaki]

sure, have a good night!

13:55:52 [plh]

have a good night Daniel

13:57:22 [fsasaki]

I will send out the minutes

13:57:52 [fsasaki]

plh, if you have time to look into MA issues, read http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_Ghentf2f_2008 and

13:58:00 [fsasaki]

which is based on http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/FeaturesTable

13:58:27 [fsasaki]

and the requirements document proposal, esp. http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html#requirements

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14:21:10 [fsasaki]

rrsagent, bye

14:21:10 [RRSAgent]

I see no action items