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09:57:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
09:57:31 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
09:57:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:57:32 <trackbot> Date: 26 November 2008
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09:58:12 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
09:58:18 <Zakim> +erik
09:58:43 <davy> zakim, davy is with erik
09:58:43 <Zakim> +davy; got it
10:00:05 <Zakim> + +61.2.801.2.aaaa
10:00:21 <davy> zakim, aaaa is Silvia
10:00:21 <Zakim> +Silvia; got it
10:01:58 <erik> regrets for: Raphael, Guillaume, Michael
10:02:18 <erik> RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:02:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-mediafrag-minutes.html erik
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10:06:02 <Zakim> +Yves
10:07:33 <Zakim> +Thierry
10:07:38 <thierry> zakim, mute me
10:07:38 <Zakim> Thierry should now be muted
10:08:23 <erik> Yves, are you on the phone too?
10:08:33 <thierry> I ammuted but still have a terrible buzz
10:08:51 <nessy> zakim, mute me
10:08:51 <Zakim> sorry, nessy, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
10:09:22 <Silvia> zakim, mute me
10:09:22 <Zakim> Silvia should now be muted
10:09:55 <erik> ok, let's get started
10:10:02 <erik> Yves, can you scribe?
10:10:16 <thierry> Buz still here ;-(
10:10:31 <Silvia> zakim, unmute me
10:10:31 <Zakim> Silvia should no longer be muted
10:10:44 <davy> scribe: davy
10:10:49 <davy> scribenick: davy
10:11:05 <davy> Accept minutes of last week?
10:11:09 <erik> +1
10:11:24 <Silvia> +1
10:11:28 <davy> minutes accepted
10:11:42 <davy> topic: 2nd F2F meeting
10:12:12 <davy> erik: both groups will consist of 10 people
10:12:45 <davy> ... other people from MMLab and VRT medialab will also attend the meeting 
10:12:52 <Silvia> zakim, mute me
10:12:52 <Zakim> Silvia should now be muted
10:13:02 <davy> ... there is also a first draft of the agenda
10:13:40 <davy> erik goes through the draft agenda
10:13:46 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/SecondF2FAgenda
10:15:44 <Yves> sounds good to me!
10:15:51 <davy> erik: anyone has some problems with the draft?
10:16:10 <Silvia> looks good to me
10:16:13 <davy> topic: preparation of working draft
10:16:34 <davy> 3.5 existing technologies
10:16:43 <davy> erik: work is ongoing
10:16:55 <Silvia> zakim, unmute me
10:16:55 <Zakim> Silvia should no longer be muted
10:16:56 <davy> 3.4 RTSP 
10:17:44 <davy> erik: this page seems ok for the moment
10:17:50 <davy> 3.3 HTTP
10:18:04 <davy> erik: raphael still has to do this
10:18:12 <davy> 3.2 types of fragment addressing
10:18:17 <Yves> I will take a shot at it as well (HTTP page)
10:19:56 <davy> silvia: put information into wiki, decisions about what to support are taken in f2f
10:20:04 <Yves> +1
10:20:09 <erik> +1
10:20:10 <davy> +1
10:20:15 <Silvia> +!
10:20:19 <Yves> I'll add thing about pros and cons of different solutions
10:20:25 <Yves> wrt HTTP use
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10:21:10 <erik> get better soon! (at least 8 & 9 dec :)
10:21:11 <davy> 3.1 use cases and requirements
10:21:35 <davy> silvia elaborates on the document
10:21:42 <Zakim> +jackjansen
10:22:08 <davy> silvia: we should still decide what is in and out of scope
10:22:36 <davy> ACTION erik to review the use cases and requirements document
10:22:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Review the use cases and requirements document [on Erik Mannens - due 2008-12-03].
10:22:55 <Yves> it might be ood to publish the use case document as a WG Note at some point (better to reference a frozen document form the main spec0
10:23:00 <Yves> s/ood/good/
10:23:29 <davy> RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:23:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-mediafrag-minutes.html davy
10:24:12 <jackjansen> the minutes are empty:-(
10:24:22 <Silvia> Yves: it is my expectation that the wiki page will be turned into the FPWD by Raphael - is that how you think about it, too?
10:25:04 <Yves> silvia; yes
10:26:24 <davy> action Jack to add additional use cases in the wiki page
10:26:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Add additional use cases in the wiki page [on Jack Jansen - due 2008-12-03].
10:27:15 <davy> close ACTION-13
10:27:15 <trackbot> ACTION-13 Examples of combining Media Fragment URI with SMIL clipBegin and clipEnd closed
10:27:36 <davy> topic: issues
10:27:53 <davy> cache discussion
10:28:00 <Yves> yes
10:28:05 <davy> erik: leave this open untill next week
10:28:52 <erik> 4.issues
10:29:25 <erik> elaboration on Davy's page ... http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_Fragment_Caches 
10:29:38 <Silvia> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Types_of_Fragment_Addressing
10:29:57 <erik> Davy: still a lot of work has to be done on Table
10:31:09 <erik> Davy: difference between two pages ("types of adressing" & "HTTP Fragment caches") ... but of course some info is overlapping
10:31:27 <Yves> this may be merged in the HTTP page
10:32:00 <Yves> fragments axis in Types_of_Fragment_Addressing
10:32:00 <erik> still a page needed on caching (protocol & handshaking stuff)?
10:34:50 <davy> topic: aob
10:35:20 <davy> silvia: we should work on the syntax page
10:35:32 <davy> ... people are waiting for that
10:35:56 <davy> ... specially HTML5 group (video element)
10:37:29 <davy> jack: is it a good idea for HTML5 group? Values regarding fragments are now longer available as attributes
10:38:17 <davy> silvia: attributes are still available
10:40:50 <davy> s/now/not
10:41:40 <davy> jack: we should provide some guidelines based on a given scenario
10:42:15 <davy> s/attributes are still available/attributes are gone, but are still available in the API
10:42:42 <davy> erik: new member: Conrad Parker
10:43:06 <davy> silvia: he will probably only be active on mailinglist
10:44:07 <thierry> No fine
10:45:13 <Zakim> -jackjansen
10:45:18 <Zakim> -Silvia
10:45:20 <Zakim> -Yves
10:45:20 <Zakim> -erik
10:45:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves
10:48:30 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
10:48:32 <Zakim> Attendees were erik, davy, +61.2.801.2.aaaa, Silvia, Yves, Thierry, jackjansen
10:48:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves
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11:04:09 <Silvia> Yves: I hope you get better soon