IRC log of mediafrag on 2008-11-26

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09:57:29 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs public
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09:57:31 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
09:57:31 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
09:57:32 [trackbot]: Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:57:32 [trackbot]: Date: 26 November 2008
09:58:11 [davy]: davy has joined #mediafrag
09:58:12 [Zakim]: IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
09:58:18 [Zakim]: +erik
09:58:43 [davy]: zakim, davy is with erik
09:58:43 [Zakim]: +davy; got it
10:00:05 [Zakim]: + +61.2.801.2.aaaa
10:00:21 [davy]: zakim, aaaa is Silvia
10:00:21 [Zakim]: +Silvia; got it
10:01:58 [erik]: regrets for: Raphael, Guillaume, Michael
10:02:18 [erik]: RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:02:18 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-mediafrag-minutes.html erik
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10:06:02 [Zakim]: +Yves
10:07:33 [Zakim]: +Thierry
10:07:38 [thierry]: zakim, mute me
10:07:38 [Zakim]: Thierry should now be muted
10:08:23 [erik]: Yves, are you on the phone too?
10:08:33 [thierry]: I ammuted but still have a terrible buzz
10:08:51 [nessy]: zakim, mute me
10:08:51 [Zakim]: sorry, nessy, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
10:09:22 [Silvia]: zakim, mute me
10:09:22 [Zakim]: Silvia should now be muted
10:09:55 [erik]: ok, let's get started
10:10:02 [erik]: Yves, can you scribe?
10:10:16 [thierry]: Buz still here ;-(
10:10:31 [Silvia]: zakim, unmute me
10:10:31 [Zakim]: Silvia should no longer be muted
10:10:44 [davy]: scribe: davy
10:10:49 [davy]: scribenick: davy
10:11:05 [davy]: Accept minutes of last week?
10:11:09 [erik]: +1
10:11:24 [Silvia]: +1
10:11:28 [davy]: minutes accepted
10:11:42 [davy]: topic: 2nd F2F meeting
10:12:12 [davy]: erik: both groups will consist of 10 people
10:12:45 [davy]: ... other people from MMLab and VRT medialab will also attend the meeting
10:12:52 [Silvia]: zakim, mute me
10:12:52 [Zakim]: Silvia should now be muted
10:13:02 [davy]: ... there is also a first draft of the agenda
10:13:40 [davy]: erik goes through the draft agenda
10:13:46 [Yves]: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/SecondF2FAgenda
10:15:44 [Yves]: sounds good to me!
10:15:51 [davy]: erik: anyone has some problems with the draft?
10:16:10 [Silvia]: looks good to me
10:16:13 [davy]: topic: preparation of working draft
10:16:34 [davy]: 3.5 existing technologies
10:16:43 [davy]: erik: work is ongoing
10:16:55 [Silvia]: zakim, unmute me
10:16:55 [Zakim]: Silvia should no longer be muted
10:16:56 [davy]: 3.4 RTSP
10:17:44 [davy]: erik: this page seems ok for the moment
10:17:50 [davy]: 3.3 HTTP
10:18:04 [davy]: erik: raphael still has to do this
10:18:12 [davy]: 3.2 types of fragment addressing
10:18:17 [Yves]: I will take a shot at it as well (HTTP page)
10:19:56 [davy]: silvia: put information into wiki, decisions about what to support are taken in f2f
10:20:04 [Yves]: +1
10:20:09 [erik]: +1
10:20:10 [davy]: +1
10:20:15 [Silvia]: +!
10:20:19 [Yves]: I'll add thing about pros and cons of different solutions
10:20:25 [Yves]: wrt HTTP use
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10:21:10 [erik]: get better soon! (at least 8 & 9 dec :)
10:21:11 [davy]: 3.1 use cases and requirements
10:21:35 [davy]: silvia elaborates on the document
10:21:42 [Zakim]: +jackjansen
10:22:08 [davy]: silvia: we should still decide what is in and out of scope
10:22:36 [davy]: ACTION erik to review the use cases and requirements document
10:22:36 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-14 - Review the use cases and requirements document [on Erik Mannens - due 2008-12-03].
10:22:55 [Yves]: it might be ood to publish the use case document as a WG Note at some point (better to reference a frozen document form the main spec0
10:23:00 [Yves]: s/ood/good/
10:23:29 [davy]: RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:23:29 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-mediafrag-minutes.html davy
10:24:12 [jackjansen]: the minutes are empty:-(
10:24:22 [Silvia]: Yves: it is my expectation that the wiki page will be turned into the FPWD by Raphael - is that how you think about it, too?
10:25:04 [Yves]: silvia; yes
10:26:24 [davy]: action Jack to add additional use cases in the wiki page
10:26:24 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-15 - Add additional use cases in the wiki page [on Jack Jansen - due 2008-12-03].
10:27:15 [davy]: close ACTION-13
10:27:15 [trackbot]: ACTION-13 Examples of combining Media Fragment URI with SMIL clipBegin and clipEnd closed
10:27:36 [davy]: topic: issues
10:27:53 [davy]: cache discussion
10:28:00 [Yves]: yes
10:28:05 [davy]: erik: leave this open untill next week
10:28:52 [erik]: 4.issues
10:29:25 [erik]: elaboration on Davy's page ... http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_Fragment_Caches
10:29:38 [Silvia]: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Types_of_Fragment_Addressing
10:29:57 [erik]: Davy: still a lot of work has to be done on Table
10:31:09 [erik]: Davy: difference between two pages ("types of adressing" & "HTTP Fragment caches") ... but of course some info is overlapping
10:31:27 [Yves]: this may be merged in the HTTP page
10:32:00 [Yves]: fragments axis in Types_of_Fragment_Addressing
10:32:00 [erik]: still a page needed on caching (protocol & handshaking stuff)?
10:34:50 [davy]: topic: aob
10:35:20 [davy]: silvia: we should work on the syntax page
10:35:32 [davy]: ... people are waiting for that
10:35:56 [davy]: ... specially HTML5 group (video element)
10:37:29 [davy]: jack: is it a good idea for HTML5 group? Values regarding fragments are now longer available as attributes
10:38:17 [davy]: silvia: attributes are still available
10:40:50 [davy]: s/now/not
10:41:40 [davy]: jack: we should provide some guidelines based on a given scenario
10:42:15 [davy]: s/attributes are still available/attributes are gone, but are still available in the API
10:42:42 [davy]: erik: new member: Conrad Parker
10:43:06 [davy]: silvia: he will probably only be active on mailinglist
10:44:07 [thierry]: No fine
10:45:13 [Zakim]: -jackjansen
10:45:18 [Zakim]: -Silvia
10:45:20 [Zakim]: -Yves
10:45:20 [Zakim]: -erik
10:45:30 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves
10:48:30 [Zakim]: IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
10:48:32 [Zakim]: Attendees were erik, davy, +61.2.801.2.aaaa, Silvia, Yves, Thierry, jackjansen
10:48:36 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves
10:52:27 [davy]: davy has left #mediafrag
11:04:09 [Silvia]: Yves: I hope you get better soon