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20:56:49 <fsasaki> meeting: mawg
20:56:51 <fsasaki> chair: Felix
20:56:56 <fsasaki> scribe: tbd
20:57:12 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0124.html
20:57:40 <Zakim> +??P1
20:57:51 <fsasaki> Regrets: Raphael, Hui, Werner, Thierry, Victor
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20:58:17 <tobiasb> Zakim, ??P1 is me
20:58:17 <Zakim> +tobiasb; got it
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20:58:58 <cgi-irc> Zakim, cgi-irc is me
20:58:58 <Zakim> sorry, cgi-irc, I do not recognize a party named 'cgi-irc'
20:58:59 <fsasaki> me zakim, dial felix-home
20:58:59 <Zakim> +jcraig
20:59:14 <Zakim> +Felix
20:59:42 <Zakim> -jcraig
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21:00:02 <Zakim> +jcraig
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21:00:59 <cgi-irc> Zakim, cgi-irc is Vero
21:00:59 <Zakim> sorry, cgi-irc, I do not recognize a party named 'cgi-irc'
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21:02:21 <frank> hello everybody - frank on irc only
21:02:36 <fsasaki> present: ruben, tobiasb, veronique, pchampin, Felix, Ernie, jcraig, Wonsuk, Davy, Joakim, frank
21:03:18 <fsasaki> topic: Agenda review / approval of previous minutes
21:03:26 <Daniel> I am on the call, can you hear me ? probably mic is some problmatic via skype...
21:03:33 <joakim> felix: Joakim became co-chair
21:03:50 <fsasaki> present+ Daniel
21:04:01 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mediaann-minutes.html
21:04:07 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0124.html
21:04:54 <fsasaki> minutes approved
21:04:56 <fsasaki> topic: Selection of scribe for next meeting
21:05:21 <fsasaki> handle via mail
21:05:22 <fsasaki> Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time
21:05:45 <joakim> Next call  2 December
21:05:50 <fsasaki> topic: Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time
21:05:51 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_Ghentf2f_2008
21:06:43 <joakim> Felix plan to update agenda in next two weeks
21:07:23 <Daniel> +1
21:07:44 <Daniel> can we ask who will be participating this upcoming f2f on the IRC ?
21:08:07 <joakim> Update agenda on Wiki if you miss something
21:08:12 <Daniel> my mic is not working...:-( 
21:08:18 <Ruben> I will participate on the IRC
21:08:21 <DrErnie> What's the date/ time zone for the F2F meeting?
21:08:28 <cgi-irc> I will participate on IRC
21:08:29 <Daniel> I will
21:08:38 <tobiasb> I will be in Ghent
21:08:42 <fsasaki> I will
21:08:46 <davy> I will also be in Ghent
21:08:48 <wonsuk> I will
21:08:48 <DrErnie> sorry, too early for me. :-)
21:08:55 <pchampin> not sure yet
21:09:01 <pchampin> if I do, that will be on IRC
21:09:21 <frank> I will be in Ghent too
21:09:27 <Ruben> Victor will be in Ghent representing the "UPC gang"
21:09:27 <joakim> +1
21:10:51 <fsasaki> topic: Action items
21:10:55 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
21:11:33 <fsasaki> ACTION-20 - ongoing
21:11:44 <fsasaki> ACTION-22 - ongoing, waiting for Karen
21:12:00 <fsasaki> ACTION-32
21:12:20 <Daniel> not yet, I will do asap
21:12:26 <fsasaki> ongoing
21:12:38 <fsasaki> ACTION-33 - ongoing
21:12:50 <fsasaki> close ACTION-37
21:12:51 <trackbot> ACTION-37 Write a mail about the general structure of the use cases / req document closed
21:12:59 <fsasaki> close ACTION-38
21:12:59 <trackbot> ACTION-38 Draft a first agenda for the f2f meeting closed
21:13:10 <fsasaki> close ACTION-39
21:13:10 <trackbot> ACTION-39 Put description about transmission cc in Wiki closed
21:13:43 <fsasaki> close ACTION-40
21:13:43 <trackbot> ACTION-40 to send around an exemple of what she means with "plugging into complex model" closed
21:13:54 <fsasaki> close ACTION-41
21:13:55 <trackbot> ACTION-41 Look into the MPEG API closed
21:14:12 <fsasaki> topic:  Use case and requirements document structure
21:14:17 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0100.html
21:16:33 <veronique> it is fine with me
21:16:36 <pchampin> +1
21:16:41 <Daniel> +1
21:16:44 <Ruben> +1
21:16:45 <joakim> +1
21:16:46 <wonsuk> +1
21:16:48 <tobiasb> +1
21:16:49 <veronique> the structure wold be clear 
21:16:51 <davy> +1
21:17:26 <Daniel> one think that I have a direction is to make a usecase&req draft as simple as possible
21:17:48 <joakim> Veronique can make the change to new documetn strucutre
21:19:02 <veronique> Me and Wonsuk will change the structure
21:20:28 <fsasaki> topic: Features table from Ruben
21:20:41 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/FeaturesTable
21:20:50 <joakim> Lets spend time on document during f2f 
21:21:06 <frank> +1
21:22:36 <Daniel> it's very useful. yes we will be able to spend much time for this discussion in Ghent
21:22:37 <joakim> Ruben commented the feature table
21:23:09 <pchampin> I think a line may be missing from the table
21:23:25 <joakim> The table can serve as a template for everyone to edit
21:24:07 <joakim> One line might be missing: the issue of annotating fragments
21:24:37 <joakim> Or is it realted to the Media fragments group?
21:26:09 <veronique> are there description properties that are valid only for fragments of media documents?
21:26:15 <Ruben> like SegmentDecomposition in MPEG-7
21:26:55 <joakim> Ruben thinks media fragments should be considered
21:27:34 <joakim> Identify fragments such as charcaters or an emotion in a scene
21:28:00 <Ruben> Well I did not say that, I'm just trying to understand Pierre-A... 
21:28:14 <joakim> exchange metdata independent of the media
21:28:32 <joakim> Ruben will summerize his thoughts
21:29:13 <fsasaki> s/Ruben /Pierre-Antoine Champin /
21:29:36 <fsasaki> topic: Re-confirmation request from Daniel about the scope of our group
21:29:45 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0111.html
21:30:22 <fsasaki> "The main focus of our group is video. We are also looking into other 
21:30:24 <fsasaki> multimedia vocabularies, including ID3. However, I cannot tell (yet) to 
21:30:26 <fsasaki> what extend these will be taken into account."
21:31:19 <Daniel> my thought is. video (and partially autio) is in-scope, music/image/text is out-of scope, any thoughts ?
21:32:04 <Daniel> sorry, I can't speak out using mic yet...pls be patient
21:32:05 <wonsuk> s/autio/audio
21:32:05 <veronique> why would image and music be out of scope (particularly if audio is in scope)..
21:32:30 <frank> what daniel wants to say is: we focus on temporal media only?
21:32:55 <veronique> I agree with audio as a priority
21:33:18 <fsasaki> s/audio /video /
21:33:20 <joakim> Felix: Video is in the center, but we might take other modalities into account
21:33:22 <frank> audio should really be in there
21:33:33 <veronique> but audio and images standards are quite close on some aspects
21:34:01 <veronique> that's why I do not see images as "out of scope"
21:34:49 <Daniel> just trying to make a clear definition of *video*
21:36:37 <fsasaki> joakim: think we should also images into account, since there are many image files available. Would be not good to disregard them
21:37:03 <Daniel> I agree with Joakim's concern, yeah seems to be also complex. I'd propose an email discussion on the list later. I will post
21:37:42 <Daniel> OK, after email discussion, then I will wrap up that and go to f2f
21:38:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
21:39:22 <fsasaki> topic: Layer structure discussion
21:39:49 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Flat_syntax_for_structured_model
21:41:03 <joakim> P-A: Inorder to decide if we need strucutre or flat model we should construct a conemptual model first
21:42:14 <veronique> s/conemptual/conceptual
21:42:34 <joakim> We should decide if we need a syntax
21:42:55 <joakim> in that case keep the syntax simple
21:43:50 <joakim> We need a mixture of  structured and flat model
21:44:22 <joakim> A conceptual model could help avoiding repeating propoerties
21:45:15 <Zakim> -Felix
21:46:22 <joakim> we deicde based on the use case document
21:46:32 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MXM
21:47:15 <Ruben> Victor is not here
21:47:38 <Daniel> yeah, victor is not here, so let's move that on the mailing list or next call
21:47:40 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/TXFeed
21:48:36 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/XMP
21:49:04 <Daniel> XMP review will be part of f2f agenda.
21:49:31 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Nov/0097.html
21:50:37 <joakim> Flickr machine tags are interesting because they are flat
21:51:35 <joakim> Not using a name space but a prefix
21:52:51 <joakim> Should we investigate flickr machines tags closer?
21:53:51 <joakim> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
21:54:09 <veronique> the approach sounds interesting, even if images are not the primary focus of the WG
21:54:29 <Daniel> are somebody take this as a new ACTION ITEM ?
21:54:53 <pchampin> i can do that
21:55:00 <Daniel> good, 
21:55:42 <joakim> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html
21:56:50 <Daniel> ok, it's just boilerplate issue
21:57:12 <Daniel> last question before closing
21:57:23 <Daniel> are you all ok this call time ?
21:57:47 <veronique> well, it is quite late here...
21:57:48 <wonsuk> It's very early to me.
21:57:51 <Daniel> I saw may regrets since it's too late...what do you think ? shall we change ?
21:58:29 <Daniel> OK, Joakim and myself will make some alternative for the call time
21:58:33 <Zakim> -jcraig
21:58:34 <veronique> but there has been a vote about this schedule, no?
21:58:44 <veronique> ok
21:58:58 <Daniel> we can vote our schedule whenever we want...:-)
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21:59:06 <Daniel> thanks, and see you next call
21:59:14 <Ruben> Bye
21:59:16 <Zakim> -Davy
21:59:18 <Zakim> -Wonsuk
21:59:19 <Daniel> minutes draft
21:59:19 <Zakim> -ruben
21:59:21 <Zakim> -pchampin
21:59:24 <joakim> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:59:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-mediaann-minutes.html joakim
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21:59:40 <Zakim> -Ernie
21:59:40 <frank> bye
21:59:42 <Zakim> -veronique
21:59:46 <joakim> bye
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22:05:19 <Zakim> Attendees were tobiasb, pchampin, jcraig, Felix, Ernie, Wonsuk, ruben, veronique, +46.1.07.17.aaaa, Davy, Joakim
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