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15:50:49 <Norm> Zakim, this will be xproc
15:50:49 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
15:50:56 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
15:50:56 <Norm> Date: 20 Nov 2008
15:50:56 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/20-agenda
15:50:56 <Norm> Meeting: 130
15:50:56 <Norm> Chair: Norm
15:50:56 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
15:50:58 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
15:51:17 <Norm> Norm has changed the topic to: XProc WG meets 20 Nov: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/20-agenda
15:51:28 <Norm> Regrets: Michael
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15:58:58 <Zakim> +Norm
15:59:36 <MoZ> Zakim, what is the code ?
15:59:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MoZ
16:00:30 <Zakim> +MoZ
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16:01:01 <Zakim> +[ArborText]
16:03:52 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
16:03:52 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
16:03:54 <Zakim> +Ht
16:03:59 <Norm> Present: Norm, Mohamed, Alex, Paul, Henry
16:04:25 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
16:04:25 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/20-agenda
16:04:39 <Norm> Accepted.
16:04:45 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
16:04:45 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/13-minutes
16:05:08 <Norm> Accepted.
16:05:15 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: telcon 4 Dec 2008?
16:05:28 <Norm> Skipping 27 Nov, US Thanksgiving.
16:05:38 <Norm> No regrets heard.
16:05:48 <Norm> Topic: Fixing static context before CR
16:05:55 <Norm> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-comments/2008Nov/0098.html
16:07:00 <Norm> Norm explains the situation and proposes to strike "or made available through p:namespaces"
16:07:06 <Norm> Accepted.
16:07:21 <Norm> Topic: Fixing p:wrap match="/"
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16:08:11 <Norm> Norm explains that it's only about user convenience.
16:08:18 <Zakim> +??P21
16:08:19 <richard> zakim, ? is me
16:08:19 <Zakim> +richard; got it
16:08:27 <Norm> Present: Norm, Mohamed, Alex, Paul, Henry, Richard
16:08:48 <Norm> Henry suggests that since XSLT 2.0 allows something similar, we should too.
16:09:09 <Zakim> -Ht
16:09:11 <Norm> Alex: I agree with Henry
16:10:08 <Norm> Norm: If you match /, you get all the nodes in the document.
16:10:25 <Norm> Mohamed: Is it the only place where we should do this?
16:10:46 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
16:10:48 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
16:10:48 <Zakim> +Ht
16:11:28 <Norm> Norm: After a quick check, I don't see any others that make any sense.
16:12:01 <Norm> Proposal: Make the change.
16:12:13 <Norm> Mohamed: What about www-form-url-encode.
16:13:31 <Norm> Norm: Well...www-form-url-encode does allow match=/, but will invariably produce a dynamic error if you do that.
16:13:37 <Norm> Accepted.
16:13:51 <Norm> Topic: Allow extension steps to use c: namespace
16:13:52 <Zakim> -Ht
16:15:15 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
16:15:15 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
16:15:16 <Zakim> +Ht
16:15:22 <Norm> See: http://exproc.org/proposed/steps/
16:16:08 <Norm> Norm: I think we should allow people to reuse the c: namespace.
16:16:24 <Norm> Alex: I wouldn't want to restrict what people can produce from their steps.
16:16:51 <Norm> Mohamed: We have three namespaces, on two of them we explicitly don't want people to reuse them.
16:18:09 <Norm> Richard: What about in inline documents?
16:18:33 <Norm> Norm: We're pretty clear that content in an inline is just content and we don't care what it is.
16:19:08 <Norm> Mohamed: If we used the c: namespace and we use an element that's already been defined in this specification, can we add an attribute to it?
16:19:41 <Norm> Henry: I think we should just say that common sense suggests that such usages shouldn't overlap with the uses defined in this spec.
16:19:52 <Norm> s/spec./spec. unless the usage is identical./
16:19:58 <Norm> Alex: I'm with Henry.
16:21:56 <Norm> Mohamed: Today we don't mandate that if you extend the output of an existing step, you must use an extension attribute. So you could put a @type on c:result and that might effect interoperability.
16:22:27 <Norm> Norm: This is a bigger can of worms than I thought, perhaps we shouldn't say anything.
16:23:03 <Norm> Norm: If we do this later, does it push us back in the process?
16:23:15 <Norm> Henry: No, how could it effect the conformance of an implementation. This isn't a big deal.
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16:23:36 <richard> X crashed :-(
16:23:41 <Norm> Norm: So do we want to try to nail this down today, or come back to it later.
16:23:47 <Norm> Henry: I'm fine to come back later
16:24:00 <Norm> Mohamed: Me too.
16:24:05 <Norm> Norm: Ok, we'll leave this.
16:24:24 <Norm> Topic: Any other comments on the CR draft.
16:24:35 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/CR-xproc-20081126/
16:25:06 <Norm> Norm: Any comments?
16:25:11 <Norm> Mohamed: Congratulations!
16:26:47 <Norm> Norm: Congrats to us all.
16:27:01 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
16:27:36 <Norm> Mohamed: What's the future work?
16:27:57 <Norm> Norm: We need to get the test suite finished, we need to encourage implementors, and we need to turn our attention to the default XML processing model.
16:28:09 <Norm> Adjourned.
16:28:17 <Norm> RRSAgent, please set logs world-visible
16:28:18 <Zakim> -MoZ
16:28:20 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
16:28:20 <Zakim> -richard
16:28:21 <Norm> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:28:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-xproc-minutes.html Norm
16:30:06 <Zakim> -Ht
16:30:06 <Zakim> -PGrosso
16:30:08 <Zakim> -Norm
16:30:08 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
16:30:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Norm, MoZ, Alex_Milows, PGrosso, Ht, richard
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