IRC log of xproc on 2008-11-20
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- 15:50:49 [Norm]
- Zakim, this will be xproc
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- ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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- Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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- Date: 20 Nov 2008
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- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/20-agenda
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- Meeting: 130
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- Chair: Norm
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- Scribe: Norm
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- ScribeNick: Norm
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- Norm has changed the topic to: XProc WG meets 20 Nov: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/20-agenda
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- Regrets: Michael
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- XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
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- +Norm
- 15:59:36 [MoZ]
- Zakim, what is the code ?
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- the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MoZ
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- +MoZ
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- +Alex_Milows
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- +[ArborText]
- 16:03:52 [ht]
- zakim, please call ht-781
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- ok, ht; the call is being made
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- +Ht
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- Present: Norm, Mohamed, Alex, Paul, Henry
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- Topic: Accept this agenda?
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- -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/20-agenda
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- Accepted.
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- Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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- -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/13-minutes
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- Accepted.
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- Topic: Next meeting: telcon 4 Dec 2008?
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- Skipping 27 Nov, US Thanksgiving.
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- No regrets heard.
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- Topic: Fixing static context before CR
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-comments/2008Nov/0098.html
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- Norm explains the situation and proposes to strike "or made available through p:namespaces"
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- Accepted.
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- Topic: Fixing p:wrap match="/"
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- Norm explains that it's only about user convenience.
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- +??P21
- 16:08:19 [richard]
- zakim, ? is me
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- +richard; got it
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- Present: Norm, Mohamed, Alex, Paul, Henry, Richard
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- Henry suggests that since XSLT 2.0 allows something similar, we should too.
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- -Ht
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- Alex: I agree with Henry
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- Norm: If you match /, you get all the nodes in the document.
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- Mohamed: Is it the only place where we should do this?
- 16:10:46 [ht]
- zakim, please call ht-781
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- ok, ht; the call is being made
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- +Ht
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- Norm: After a quick check, I don't see any others that make any sense.
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- Proposal: Make the change.
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- Mohamed: What about www-form-url-encode.
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- Norm: Well...www-form-url-encode does allow match=/, but will invariably produce a dynamic error if you do that.
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- Accepted.
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- Topic: Allow extension steps to use c: namespace
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- -Ht
- 16:15:15 [ht]
- zakim, please call ht-781
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- ok, ht; the call is being made
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- +Ht
- 16:15:22 [Norm]
- See: http://exproc.org/proposed/steps/
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- Norm: I think we should allow people to reuse the c: namespace.
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- Alex: I wouldn't want to restrict what people can produce from their steps.
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- Mohamed: We have three namespaces, on two of them we explicitly don't want people to reuse them.
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- Richard: What about in inline documents?
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- Norm: We're pretty clear that content in an inline is just content and we don't care what it is.
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- Mohamed: If we used the c: namespace and we use an element that's already been defined in this specification, can we add an attribute to it?
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- Henry: I think we should just say that common sense suggests that such usages shouldn't overlap with the uses defined in this spec.
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- s/spec./spec. unless the usage is identical./
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- Alex: I'm with Henry.
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- Mohamed: Today we don't mandate that if you extend the output of an existing step, you must use an extension attribute. So you could put a @type on c:result and that might effect interoperability.
- 16:22:27 [Norm]
- Norm: This is a bigger can of worms than I thought, perhaps we shouldn't say anything.
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- Norm: If we do this later, does it push us back in the process?
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- Henry: No, how could it effect the conformance of an implementation. This isn't a big deal.
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- X crashed :-(
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- Norm: So do we want to try to nail this down today, or come back to it later.
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- Henry: I'm fine to come back later
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- Mohamed: Me too.
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- Norm: Ok, we'll leave this.
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- Topic: Any other comments on the CR draft.
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- -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/CR-xproc-20081126/
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- Norm: Any comments?
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- Mohamed: Congratulations!
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- Norm: Congrats to us all.
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- Topic: Any other business?
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- Mohamed: What's the future work?
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- Norm: We need to get the test suite finished, we need to encourage implementors, and we need to turn our attention to the default XML processing model.
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- Adjourned.
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- RRSAgent, please set logs world-visible
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- -MoZ
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- -Alex_Milows
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- -richard
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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- -Ht
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- -PGrosso
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- -Norm
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- XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Norm, MoZ, Alex_Milows, PGrosso, Ht, richard
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