20:57:32 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 20:57:32 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-wai-wcag-irc 20:57:36 rrsagent, make log world 20:57:42 meeting: WCAG 20:58:02 agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/824e742c0811182050qa3d6aep521c99598b11b2b7@mail.gmail.com 20:58:37 scribeOptions: -final -scribeOnly 20:58:57 +Cooper 20:59:36 +??P6 20:59:41 zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Scano 20:59:41 +Roberto_Scano; got it 20:59:43 David_MacDonald has joined #wai-wcag 20:59:49 shawn has left #wai-wcag 20:59:57 + +1.443.415.aaaa 21:00:15 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 21:00:23 +Andrew_Kirkpatrick 21:00:25 +David_MacDonald 21:00:46 awk has joined #wai-wcag 21:01:09 +Ben 21:01:10 rscano_ has joined #wai-wcag 21:01:21 zakim, I am Roberto_Scano 21:01:21 ok, rscano_, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano 21:01:29 +Loretta_Guarino_Reid 21:01:54 -Bruce_Bailey 21:02:38 +??P7 21:02:51 +Bruce_Bailey 21:02:57 zakim, ??P7 is Bengt_Farre 21:02:57 +Bengt_Farre; got it 21:03:22 Christophe has joined #wai-wcag 21:03:48 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 21:03:49 +Andi_Snow_Weaver 21:04:03 +[Microsoft] 21:04:28 zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly 21:04:28 +Cynthia_Shelly; got it 21:04:30 +Christophe_Strobbe 21:04:47 Andi has joined #wai-wcag 21:05:32 Scribe: Christophe 21:05:53 zakim: agenda? 21:05:56 -Bruce_Bailey 21:05:58 zakim, agenda? 21:05:58 I see nothing on the agenda 21:05:59 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 21:06:21 Topic: Announcements, Questions, and Updates 21:06:32 + +1.202.393.aabb 21:06:35 -Andi_Snow_Weaver 21:06:51 +Bruce_Bailey 21:06:58 Meeting: WCAG WG 21:07:01 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008OctDec/0046.html 21:07:06 +Andi_Snow_Weaver 21:07:15 chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid 21:07:50 +Sofia_Celic 21:08:12 -Bruce_Bailey 21:08:32 Ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 21:08:54 Sof has joined #wai-wcag 21:09:13 +Bruce_Bailey 21:10:01 -Bruce_Bailey 21:10:13 rscano has joined #wai-wcag 21:10:42 bengt__ has joined #wai-wcag 21:11:13 Topic: Miscellaneous Proposals for 20 Nov 2008 21:11:20 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 21:11:20 Results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20081120misc/results 21:11:28 Topic: Addressing AC member Comment - RE Changing Short Names to Make it Easier to Understand when GL 1.2 Success Criteria Apply 21:11:37 Resolution: accepted as proposed 21:11:49 Topic: Combine C12 and C14 21:12:18 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 21:12:33 bengt___ has joined #wai-wcag 21:13:10 +Bruce_Bailey 21:14:44 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 21:14:46 Ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 21:15:26 Resolution: keep C12, C13 and C14 separate 21:15:36 Topic: Related Techniques changes 21:16:19 rscano has joined #wai-wcag 21:16:42 bengt___ has joined #wai-wcag 21:27:02 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 21:29:04 Resolution: accepted as amended 21:29:42 Topic: Revisions to User Agent notes 21:31:21 +??P1 21:31:41 rscano_ has joined #wai-wcag 21:35:16 q+ 21:39:42 bengt___ has joined #wai-wcag 21:40:05 -Bruce_Bailey 21:42:55 attribute is accessibility supported. The content of the title 21:42:55 attribute needs to be available to all keyboard users (not only those 21:42:55 with text-to-speech software) for this attribute to be accessibility 21:43:12 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 21:44:56 -Roberto_Scano 21:46:10 H33: Supplementing link text with the title attribute 21:46:17 H89: Using the title attribute to provide context-sensitive help 21:46:28 H28: Providing definitions for abbreviations by using the abbr and 21:46:30 acronym elements 21:46:49 H86: Providing text alternatives for ASCII art, emoticons, and leetspeak 21:47:41 +Bruce_Bailey 21:50:17 Resolution: accepted as amended 21:50:22 Topic: Issue 2677: Low-power devices? 21:50:40 Resolution: accepted as amended 21:50:53 Topic: Issue 2678: Group common failures as well as (good) techniques 21:52:36 Resolution: issue 2678 accepted as amended 21:52:51 Topic: Issue 2679: H32 only mentions one type of SUBMIT button 21:54:42 Resolution: issue 2679 accepted as amended 21:54:54 Topic: Issue 2680: Technique H45 procedure description incomplete 21:56:14 Resolution: issue 2680 accepted as amended 21:56:29 Topic: Issue 2681: HTML Headings technique: duplicated 21:56:42 -Bruce_Bailey 21:56:46 Resolution: issue 2681 accepted as proposed 21:56:56 Topic: Issue 2682: H33 sufficient technique for 2.4.4? 21:59:11 Ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 21:59:36 bengt___ has joined #wai-wcag 21:59:57 +Bruce_Bailey 22:01:06 Resolution: issue 2682 accepted as proposed 22:02:27 bengt____ has joined #wai-wcag 22:03:02 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 22:05:46 Ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 22:06:37 -Tim_Boland 22:07:16 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 22:08:26 -Cynthia_Shelly 22:09:03 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 22:12:15 Ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 22:12:38 bengt____ has joined #wai-wcag 22:15:06 q+ 22:15:11 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 22:15:22 bengt_____ has joined #wai-wcag 22:16:14 ack dav 22:17:27 Ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 22:18:47 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 22:23:43 ack andi 22:24:29 My test page of 4.5-5 region http://www.eramp.com/david/contrast%20analysis.htm 22:30:37 bengt_____ has joined #wai-wcag 22:32:58 ack bruce 22:33:41 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 22:33:43 1.4.3 - 5:1 22:33:51 1.4.4: 200% 22:33:55 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 22:33:58 1.4.6: 7:1 22:34:05 1.4.7: 20db 22:34:14 1.4.7 1 or 2 seconds 22:34:19 1.4.8: 80 characters 22:34:29 1.4.8 one and a half line spacing 22:34:33 1.4.8: 200% 22:34:39 2.2.1: 20 seconds 22:34:45 2.2.1: 20 hours 22:34:49 2.2.2: 5 seconds 22:35:09 2.3.1: 3 flashes 22:35:20 2.3.1 3 times in 1 second 22:35:43 2.3.2: thresholds 22:35:47 3.1.5: reading level 22:36:16 q+ 22:37:46 Ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 22:40:51 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 22:43:04 ack dav 22:43:19 Ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 22:44:24 ack kat 22:48:29 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 22:52:59 zakim, who's making noise? 22:53:09 David_MacDonald, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (27%) 22:53:36 +Gregg_Vanderheiden.a 22:53:43 -Gregg_Vanderheiden 22:54:39 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 22:56:56 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 22:57:57 Ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 23:03:06 ack bruce 23:04:35 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 23:07:17 -Gregg_Vanderheiden.a 23:10:39 -Andrew_Kirkpatrick 23:11:44 Ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 23:12:16 bengt_____ has joined #wai-wcag 23:18:31 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 23:18:33 -Andi_Snow_Weaver 23:18:33 -Loretta_Guarino_Reid 23:18:35 -Sofia_Celic 23:18:35 -David_MacDonald 23:18:37 -Christophe_Strobbe 23:18:38 -Cooper 23:18:38 -Bengt_Farre 23:18:42 -Bruce_Bailey 23:18:44 -Ben 23:18:45 WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended 23:18:46 Attendees were Cooper, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Roberto_Scano, +1.443.415.aaaa, Bruce_Bailey, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, David_MacDonald, Ben, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bengt_Farre, 23:18:49 ... 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