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17:56:46 <skw> zakim, this will be tag
17:56:46 <Zakim> ok, skw; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
17:57:37 <skw> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/11/20-agenda
17:57:46 <skw> Meeting: TAG Weekly
17:57:54 <skw> Chair: Stuart Williams
17:58:02 <skw> Scribe: Dan Connolly
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17:59:41 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has now started
17:59:49 <Zakim> +Stuart
18:00:37 <skw> zakim, Stuart is skw
18:00:38 <Zakim> +skw; got it
18:00:46 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
18:01:31 <Zakim> +alanr_
18:02:19 <Zakim> +DanC.a
18:03:57 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
18:03:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ADsafe javascript" taken up [from DanC]
18:04:02 <DanC> oops
18:04:05 <DanC> Topic: Convene
18:04:35 <DanC> regrets: TimBL
18:04:58 <DanC> Regrets+ Raman, Noah Tim
18:05:01 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
18:05:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see skw, Ashok_Malhotra, alanr_, DanC.a
18:05:26 <jar> i'm here
18:05:34 <skw> zakim, alanr_ is jar
18:05:34 <Zakim> +jar; got it
18:05:49 <Zakim> +??P3
18:06:16 <DanC> Zakim, ??P3 is DaveO
18:06:16 <Zakim> +DaveO; got it
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18:06:51 <DanC> PROPOSED: to accept http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-tagmem-minutes
18:07:20 <DanC> RESOLVED to approve version of 2008/11/14 12:40:01
18:07:37 <DanC> 27th Nov cancelled
18:07:46 <DanC> RESOLVED: to meet 4 Nov, Noah to scribe
18:07:57 <DanC> Topic: Issue  tagSoupIntegration-54
18:08:24 <DanC> action-188?
18:08:24 <trackbot> ACTION-188 -- Dan Connolly to investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. -- due 2008-11-19 -- OPEN
18:08:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188
18:08:48 <DanC> regrets+ Norm
18:09:11 <DanC> http://homer.w3.org/~connolly/projects/urlp/raw-file/tip/tinker.html
18:10:49 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
18:10:49 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
18:10:51 <Zakim> +Ht
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18:13:59 <ht> zakim, disconnect ht
18:13:59 <Zakim> Ht is being disconnected
18:14:00 <Zakim> -Ht
18:14:06 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
18:14:06 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
18:14:08 <Zakim> +Ht
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18:16:35 <DanC> (scribe is negligent at this point; needs help)
18:17:22 <skw> DanC demonstrates his progress on issue-188 by reference to the above page.
18:18:03 <skw> Presents Javascript parsing of ABNF grammar to construct exploded grammar(??)
18:18:22 <skw> Headed toward compiling to a regexp.
18:19:09 <skw> ht: CMSMCQ(??) started along a similar path a year or two back
18:19:37 <skw> Some discussion of prgamatics - and multiple parsing of ??
18:19:59 <ht> s/(??)//
18:21:44 <skw> danc: TAG visted HTML-WG to discuss splitting the spec.
18:21:50 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Oct/0127.html HTML5 Specification - List of sections and corresponding work estimates Ian Hickson (Monday, 27 October)
18:22:31 <skw> ... Ian Hickson has offer estaimates of workload/expertise to split the editing task.
18:23:35 <jar> I fear I don't have enough of a big picture view to understand why 2.5.2 and following are so hairy.  But no one would do this voluntarily, so something must be going on.
18:24:56 <skw> danc: thinks that good technical writers can add alot to a document without being subject experts.
18:25:28 <ht> HST notes that "Legacy extended IRIs for XML resource identification" http://www.w3.org/TR/leiri/ is relevant here
18:28:15 <DanC> q+ to note james clark's http://blog.jclark.com/2008/11/what-allowed-in-uri.html
18:30:26 <skw> ht: Ian Hickson agreed that the LEIRI spec addresses the promblem of spaces in URI, but not the problem of document character encoding inparameter strings
18:30:29 <DanC> ack danc
18:30:29 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note james clark's http://blog.jclark.com/2008/11/what-allowed-in-uri.html
18:32:10 <jar> The strings "html" and "browser" do not occur in the jclark post
18:32:11 <skw> You can find him at: jeremy (at) topquadrant.com
18:33:41 <DanC> action-188?
18:33:41 <trackbot> ACTION-188 -- Dan Connolly to investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. -- due 2008-11-20 -- OPEN
18:33:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188
18:35:54 <DanC> action-188 due 31 Dec 2008
18:35:54 <trackbot> ACTION-188 Investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. due date now 31 Dec 2008
18:37:28 <DanC> action-188?
18:37:28 <trackbot> ACTION-188 -- Dan Connolly to investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. -- due 2008-12-30 -- OPEN
18:37:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188
18:37:48 <DanC> action-188 due 27 Nov 2008
18:37:48 <trackbot> ACTION-188 Investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. due date now 27 Nov 2008
18:40:25 <DanC> DanC: Mike's action from the joint ftf is now done.
18:40:48 <skw> danc: Mike Smith as completed his HTML-WG action item to draft an HTML5 syntax document.
18:41:50 <DanC> HT: the public-html thread includes discussion of XML error handling
18:42:37 <DanC> (mike smith's action, to wit: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/77 )
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18:43:05 <DanC> s/ to draft an HTML5 syntax document/to motivate HTML WG discussion of spec modularization/
18:43:20 <ht> Here's pointer to (near) the beginning of the error handling thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Nov/0102.html
18:44:36 <DanC> Zakim, next item
18:44:36 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, DanC
18:44:49 <DanC> Topic: Issue uriBasedPackageAccess-61
18:47:34 <skw> partial survey: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Oct/0126.html
18:47:55 <DanC> earlier discussion; http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/11/06-minutes#item05
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18:50:47 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
18:50:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see skw, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DanC.a, DaveO, Ht
18:52:31 <DanC> ACTION stuart: find record of webapps/tag discussion of widget package uris
18:52:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-195 - Find record of webapps/tag discussion of widget package uris [on Stuart Williams - due 2008-11-27].
18:53:44 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Oct/0126.html ZIP-based packages and URI references into them ODF proposal Larry Masinter (Friday, 31 October) 
18:54:03 <skw> Found: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/20-wam-minutes.html#item12
18:54:30 <DanC> close action-195
18:54:30 <trackbot> ACTION-195 Find record of webapps/tag discussion of widget package uris closed
18:54:55 <DanC> "DanC: and the fact that it's not easily guessable
18:54:55 <DanC> ... if that it's not easily guessable is a requirement
18:54:55 <DanC> ... then that rules out domain names."
18:55:09 <skw> DanC: yes
18:55:10 <skw> ... what's the time scale?
18:55:10 <skw> MC: we want to finish this within 3 months.
18:55:27 <DanC> "MC: we want to finish this within 3 months.
18:55:27 <DanC> DanC: are there any test cases for this?
18:55:27 <DanC> MC: no
18:55:27 <DanC> ... we're starting an implementation now"
18:56:28 <timbl> Zakim, call tim-work
18:56:28 <Zakim> I am sorry, timbl; I do not know a number for tim-work
18:56:34 <timbl> Zakim, call timbl-work
18:56:34 <Zakim> ok, timbl; the call is being made
18:56:36 <Zakim> +Timbl
18:56:53 <DanC> ACTION stuart: notify webapps wg that TAG is unlikely to meet the 3 month timeframe and ask for notification when tests relevant to widget URIs become available
18:56:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-196 - Notify webapps wg that TAG is unlikely to meet the 3 month timeframe and ask for notification when tests relevant to widget URIs become available [on Stuart Williams - due 2008-11-27].
18:57:27 <timbl> Zakim, who is on the call?
18:57:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see skw, Ashok_Malhotra, jar, DanC.a, DaveO, Ht, Timbl
18:57:49 <DanC> Topic: Safe Javascript and web apps security
18:58:33 <timbl> pen2007ink
18:59:06 <timbl> sorry random paste
19:01:00 <ht> zakim, who is making noise?
19:01:04 <timbl> Zakim, who is making noise?
19:01:10 <Zakim> ht, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: skw (16%), Ashok_Malhotra (11%), DaveO (4%)
19:01:20 <Zakim> timbl, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: skw (35%), DaveO (8%)
19:01:22 <ht> zakim, mute skw
19:01:22 <Zakim> skw should now be muted
19:01:25 <timbl> Zaim, mute whoever is making noise
19:01:34 <ht> zakim, unmute skw
19:01:34 <Zakim> skw should no longer be muted
19:01:40 <ht> zakim, mute daveo
19:01:40 <Zakim> DaveO should now be muted
19:01:41 <DanC> Zakim, who's talking?
19:01:52 <Zakim> DanC, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
19:04:06 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
19:04:15 <noah> Noah joins the call.
19:04:21 <ht> zakim, [ is noah
19:04:21 <Zakim> +noah; got it
19:05:10 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#requirements
19:05:10 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#use-cases
19:05:15 <DanC> timbl: the "access control spec" has a misnomer for a name
19:05:28 <noah> zakim, who is talking?
19:05:38 <Zakim> noah, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: skw (46%)
19:06:13 <DanC> timbl: I'm not sure adding domains to the model improves things
19:06:39 <DanC> ack dorchard 
19:06:39 <skw> unmute daveo
19:06:56 <skw> zakim, who is muted?
19:06:56 <Zakim> I see DaveO muted
19:07:09 <skw> zakim, unmute DaveO
19:07:09 <Zakim> DaveO should no longer be muted
19:07:19 <ht> zakim, mute daveo
19:07:19 <Zakim> DaveO should now be muted
19:07:24 <jar> I'm totally confused on the relation between the W3C effort on safe javascript, Crockford, and Google (Mark Miller / Caja). 
19:07:56 <DanC> DanC: thanks for getting some requirements in the access control spec
19:07:59 <DanC> ... DaveO
19:08:21 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#use-cases
19:11:05 <DanC> TimBL: yes, that 1st bullet is a sentence; read a comma before "this"
19:11:08 <DanC> DanC: OK.
19:11:17 <DanC> "If the contacts part of an e-mail application allows a social networking site to add contacts, this could be done through a cross-site PUT requests."
19:12:34 <DanC> (timbl has told me a story about fedex and AA.com that I grokked on some days.)
19:14:19 <Zakim> -Ht
19:15:19 <DanC> Topic: F2F Tue-Thu 9-11 Dec 2008 Planning
19:15:20 <timbl> Pointer to survey?
19:15:40 <timbl> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/
19:15:58 <DanC> SKW: we have one more pre-ftf telcon, 4 Dev
19:16:15 <DanC> SKW: agenda is due at T-14 days, 27 Nov
19:17:07 <skw> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/
19:18:38 <DanC> action-194?
19:18:39 <trackbot> ACTION-194 -- Noah Mendelsohn to revise Self-Describing Web Draft Finding in response to September 2008 F2F meeting -- due 2008-11-25 -- OPEN
19:18:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/194
19:19:54 <jar> nov 25 = 2 weeks before f2f
19:21:49 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/results
19:21:51 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/
19:22:50 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/results
19:23:37 <Ashok> Sorry, guys .... gotta go!
19:23:42 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
19:25:10 <DanC> action-194 due 5 Dec 2008
19:25:10 <DanC> hello? trackbot?
19:25:10 <trackbot> ACTION-194 Revise Self-Describing Web Draft Finding in response to September 2008 F2F meeting due date now 5 Dec 2008
19:26:41 <timbl> The Abstract and Intro of aCaja look actually rather interesting. "Caja represents our discovery that a subset of JavaScript is an object-capability language"
19:27:08 <timbl> Zakim, who is in a railway station?
19:27:08 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, timbl.
19:27:33 <timbl> Zakim, who is making noise?
19:27:39 <skw> q?
19:27:43 <Zakim> timbl, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: skw (5%), DaveO (30%)
19:28:13 <jar> The Caja principal (Mark S Miller) is involved in Ecmascript standards process...
19:28:34 <DanC> ACTION-183 due 2 Dec 2008
19:28:34 <trackbot> ACTION-183 Incorporate formalism into versioning compatibility strategies due date now 2 Dec 2008
19:29:23 <jar> I think it would be a mistake for the web apps WG to overlook Caja
19:29:48 <DanC> Caja... quite... pls note that in a comment in the survey
19:29:51 <timbl> "Caja is an enforced subset of JavaScript we designed to make as 
19:29:51 <timbl> little impact as possible on regular JavaScript programming.."
19:30:01 <jar> OK, thanks
19:30:07 <DanC> ADJOURN.
19:30:26 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
19:30:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see skw, jar, DanC.a, DaveO, Timbl, noah
19:31:42 <Zakim> -jar
19:35:33 <Zakim> -Timbl
19:36:13 <Zakim> -DaveO
19:36:14 <Zakim> -skw
19:38:44 <Zakim> -noah
19:43:48 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, DanC.a, in TAG_Weekly()1:00PM
19:43:52 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
19:44:00 <Zakim> Attendees were skw, Ashok_Malhotra, DanC.a, jar, DaveO, Ht, Timbl, [IBMCambridge], noah
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