IRC log of svgig on 2008-11-20
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be SVGIG
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- ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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- Meeting: SVG Interest Group Teleconference
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- Date: 20 November 2008
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- shepazu
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- GA_SVGIG()11:00AM has now started
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- +Shepazu
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- +??P5
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- -??P5
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- +??P5
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- + +1.713.851.aaaa
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- Christophe, it depends upon the WG
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- I think most of them are
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- + +1.312.540.aabb
- 16:00:14 [JeffSchiller]
- Zakim, aabb is JeffSchiller
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- +JeffSchiller; got it
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Rob_Russell
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- i'm here, but, as mentioned, not in reach of a phone
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- me
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- Previous minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-svgig-minutes.html
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- Scribe: Christophe
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- Meeting: SVG IG
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008OctDec/0087.html
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- Chair: Jeff, Doug
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- Topic: SVG Spec
- 16:07:26 [Christophe]
- DS: SVG 1.2 has entered PR phase (yesterday). Announcement: http://www.w3.org/News/2008#item192
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/
- 16:08:38 [Christophe]
- DS: Notable change: URL is no longer 'SVGMobile' etc but 'SVGTiny': http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/PR-SVGTiny12-20081117/
- 16:09:10 [Christophe]
- DS: Sort of important: clarify the message of SVG. Want to work on marketing.
- 16:09:32 [Christophe]
- JS: I.e. the spec is not only aimed at the mobile space.
- 16:09:47 [shepazu]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.2/Tiny/ImpReport.html
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- SVG counting in mobile space: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/
- 16:10:06 [Christophe]
- DS: See also implementation report at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.2/Tiny/ImpReport.html
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- 16:10:35 [Christophe]
- DS: New version of the test suite does not rely on XML ID.
- 16:11:14 [Christophe]
- DS: Desktop browsers were not interested in implementing XML ID, and there were other issues related to XML ID.
- 16:11:21 [Zakim]
- +Don_Doherty
- 16:11:32 [Christophe]
- DS: Basically say: "only use XML ID if you are in a non-browser environment"
- 16:13:00 [Christophe]
- DS: Only risk now would be if W3C member companies now said they don't want to publish it. (Not very likely.)
- 16:13:31 [Christophe]
- DS: Companies interested in seeing SVG 1.2 published are asked to support it.
- 16:13:46 [Christophe]
- DS: Possibly REC in mid December.
- 16:13:51 [stelt]
- woot!!
- 16:14:54 [Christophe]
- DS: SVG GI web site would be a good promotion tool. The book, too.
- 16:15:25 [Christophe]
- rrsagent, make logs world
- 16:15:40 [Christophe]
- DS: also ask more people to implement SVG
- 16:16:36 [Christophe]
- DS: Convince people in Safari and Firefox to take SVG 1.2 as an implementation target by saying X is better defined in SVG 1.2; it's a better reference for resolving bugs.
- 16:17:02 [Christophe]
- JS: Pushback microDOM?
- 16:17:18 [Christophe]
- DS: That was one of the less populart parts in SVG, but it's very useful.
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- JS: In terms of implementation, microdom is easier that full SVG 1.1 DOM. Another DOM might be expensive.
- 16:18:05 [Christophe]
- DS: Much of it is convenience methods.
- 16:18:33 [Christophe]
- DS: Anything that can be implemented as it stands: encourage vendors to implement.
- 16:19:08 [Christophe]
- JS: Future? SVG 2.0 Core mentioned in places
- 16:19:20 [Christophe]
- DS: Not yet 100% certain about path forward.
- 16:19:52 [Christophe]
- DS: Current plan: build modules that describe specific pieces of functionality. you could plug them into SVG Tiny 1.2.
- 16:20:29 [Christophe]
- DS: SVG 1.2 has most of the features of SVG 2.0; the modules ... Other modules would introduce new features.
- 16:21:07 [Christophe]
- DS: SVG 2 would be a major rewrite of the spec but not necessarily much new functionality. tighthening up the spec and changes things to make it more adaptable. Integration with HTML content.
- 16:21:51 [Christophe]
- DS: Make it a more stable platform. E.g. allowing non-namespaced href on outgonig links as well as ... etc.
- 16:23:18 [Manuel]
- I'd like to see mentioning of text format handling in SVG 2.0via XHTML *or* XSL-FO, that would be great.
- 16:23:25 [Christophe]
- DS: We resolved to work on modules. In the near future, there would be a path to follow before a single profile ...
- 16:23:52 [Christophe]
- Topic: SVG IG Japan
- 16:24:59 [Christophe]
- DS: Japanese chapter - Japanese market is not comfortable communicating through the same channels as rest of W3C. They're more comfortable discussing technical matters in japanese.
- 16:25:24 [Christophe]
- DS: Try to see how they can promote SVG in Japan, find use cases and requirements and bring the back to the SVG IG.
- 16:25:35 [Christophe]
- DS: Two main things going one:
- 16:26:35 [Christophe]
- DS: (1) KDDI (service provider) is working on a "map module": module for mapping uses. Have a prototype. Not necessarily a general SVG viewer, but works on mobiles.
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- LOD
- 16:27:28 [Christophe]
- DS: They're working on things like level of detail (e.g. when you zoom in, blocks resolve into individual buildings etc)
- 16:28:06 [Christophe]
- DS: Range of zoom - e.g. from zoom level 5 - 10 show X, from 10 - 15 show X details etc
- 16:28:22 [Christophe]
- JS: At the highest zoom level, you dont want all the details in your document.
- 16:28:56 [Christophe]
- DS: See the 'discard' element; also need 'add' element: add something to the DOM when useful.
- 16:29:41 [Zakim]
- + +33.1.77.11.aacc
- 16:29:49 [Christophe]
- DS: Also tile mechanism so you don't need whole map.
- 16:29:55 [darobin]
- Zakim: aacc is me
- 16:30:05 [darobin]
- Zakim, aacc is me
- 16:30:05 [Zakim]
- +darobin; got it
- 16:30:42 [Christophe]
- DS: (2) Also working on making SVG 1.2 Tiny ratify in JISC. Until it is a JISC standard, Japanese companies won't implement it.
- 16:31:13 [Christophe]
- DS: More a formalization thing. If they decide that it is a good time to have this spec, they'll translate it.
- 16:31:40 [Christophe]
- DS: They're also interested in making the mapping module a JISC standard.
- 16:31:53 [Christophe]
- DS: Not aware of changes that they would want to make.
- 16:32:04 [darobin]
- q+
- 16:32:24 [Christophe]
- Topic: SVG Open 2009
- 16:32:42 [Christophe]
- JS: Google no sponsor for SVG Open 2009
- 16:33:38 [Christophe]
- RB: Liaison statement from ITU (?) to SVG about standardizing SVG for interactive TV.
- 16:34:53 [Christophe]
- RB: The statement was sent by one of the ITU groups; a group that has to do with interactivity.
- 16:35:08 [Christophe]
- DS: Discuss off-line.
- 16:36:04 [Christophe]
- DS: JSR-287 : up for ratification as well.
- 16:36:32 [Christophe]
- JS: One of the companies there is NVidia.
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- Topic: SVG Open 2009
- 16:37:09 [Christophe]
- XX: someone had good contacts with NVidia.
- 16:37:19 [darobin]
- s/XX/RB/
- 16:37:30 [darobin]
- s/someone/Nandini/
- 16:38:17 [stelt]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley shows loads of parties to maybe contact
- 16:38:29 [Christophe]
- JS: Conference: can work that out on the mailing list.
- 16:38:40 [Christophe]
- JS: Robin Berjon: first time on IG call.
- 16:38:57 [Christophe]
- RB: Independent consultant. Was member of SVG WG for a few years.
- 16:39:11 [shepazu]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/ElementTraversal/
- 16:39:14 [Christophe]
- RB: Also editor on the community site.
- 16:39:37 [Christophe]
- DS: Element traversal spec: really useful for SVG.
- 16:40:28 [Christophe]
- DS: Was moved out of SVG and moved to Web Apps WG and is going to PR.
- 16:40:36 [shepazu]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/ElementTraversal/index.html
- 16:40:50 [Christophe]
- DS: There is an implementation report at http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/ElementTraversal/index.html
- 16:41:20 [Christophe]
- RB: Same interface as in HTML 5?
- 16:41:20 [stelt]
- SVG Open 2009: Enschede city has economical relation with Palo Alto city. Thin, but looking into it for leads
- 16:42:34 [Christophe]
- DS: Already planning Element Traversal 2.0.
- 16:42:59 [Rob_Russell]
- http://ejohn.org/blog/element-traversal-api/
- 16:43:46 [Christophe]
- DS: Element Traversal 2.0 already being implemented; could be published next year.
- 16:43:55 [Christophe]
- Topic: SVG Community Website
- 16:44:10 [Christophe]
- RR: Working on a theme.
- 16:44:54 [Christophe]
- RR: Looks good graphically, but ... Will be uploaded to the site later; either default or optional.
- 16:45:49 [Christophe]
- RR: Also turned on the update check .... Drupal updated.
- 16:46:15 [stelt]
- the sooner to have something other than the default Drupal the better IMHO. We can perfect later
- 16:46:38 [shepazu]
- q+ to ask about RSS feed for news
- 16:46:51 [Manuel]
- i'm working on how the forums page could look, but it will last a bit (weekend?)
- 16:46:55 [stelt]
- I've figured out how moderating works :-)
- 16:48:00 [JeffSchiller]
- http://www.planetsvg.com/news
- 16:48:05 [Christophe]
- RR: list items - new: need to get URL at bottom of the blurb.
- 16:48:15 [stelt]
- make NEWS index ?
- 16:48:25 [Christophe]
- s/new/news/
- 16:49:13 [Christophe]
- RR: Need to work on news feed and global feed for articles (RSS or Atom)
- 16:50:10 [Christophe]
- RS: currently site looks like nothing is happening.
- 16:50:46 [Christophe]
- RR: (...) In the theme we can filter which types of content go into which boxes.
- 16:51:32 [Christophe]
- JS: News and latest stories and articles should be major focus.
- 16:53:01 [Christophe]
- RR: Manuel working on ... theme.
- 16:54:57 [Christophe]
- DS: Worried about input and output. Would like this as source of info for SVG WG page. RSS feed for news available?
- 16:55:21 [Christophe]
- RR: No feed for news yet. There will also be other feeds.
- 16:56:11 [stelt]
- raw feed is what editors get
- 16:56:22 [Christophe]
- DS: Also interested in raw feed with Google news alerts etc where SVG is mentioned .
- 16:56:49 [Christophe]
- RR: The editors get that feed and approve things for publication.
- 16:57:16 [gwadej]
- Apologies, but I have a meeting and have to go. Bye.
- 16:57:30 [Zakim]
- - +1.713.851.aaaa
- 16:58:11 [Christophe]
- Zakim, +1.713 was gwadej
- 16:58:11 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '+1.713 was gwadej', Christophe
- 16:59:15 [Christophe]
- DS: Would like to be notified. Would rather have a feed from SVG than one from Google.
- 16:59:28 [Christophe]
- s/SVG/PlanetSVG/
- 17:00:25 [stelt]
- to get "SVG Capital", StaVanGer, etc. filtered out
- 17:00:31 [Christophe]
- DS: Forums: when building community site, they noticed that "old folks" like e-mail while "young folks" prefer forums.
- 17:01:21 [Christophe]
- RR: We need a "Frankenstein's monster" for mail and forums.
- 17:01:45 [stelt]
- Jon Cruz said he wanted to help on that
- 17:02:01 [Christophe]
- RB: There are modules for sending mails to people when there's a new post on the forum etc.
- 17:02:28 [Christophe]
- RB: You ca't reply via the e-mail, but there's a link to the forum.
- 17:02:46 [Christophe]
- s/ca't/can't/
- 17:03:06 [Christophe]
- DS: That would not be as good as replying to a thread via e-mail.
- 17:03:23 [Christophe]
- RB: You would need to integrate with a mail module on the back end.
- 17:03:24 [Manuel]
- have to leave, bye
- 17:03:45 [Christophe]
- DS: If we get simply the notification, that would satisfy the "old fogeys".
- 17:05:13 [stelt]
- i'll bill an extra hour then :-)
- 17:06:49 [Christophe]
- DS: Would also like to see old news stories from SVG.org. Should be possible to get a dump of the news stories, maybe also the blogs.
- 17:06:58 [Christophe]
- RR: Legal ramifications?
- 17:07:14 [Rob_Russell]
- (that was js)
- 17:08:01 [stelt]
- i'd like my diary from there as well
- 17:09:07 [Christophe]
- DS: Get tutorials and/or fresh materials ("instant tricks" etc) on the site.
- 17:09:36 [Christophe]
- JS: Would like to get one or two tutorials. Anyone else who can write something up?
- 17:10:18 [Christophe]
- XX: We could get content from xml.com that is more than one year odl - see A. Quint's articles?
- 17:10:22 [stelt]
- there are many inkscape tuts on Youtube
- 17:10:27 [darobin]
- s/XX/RB/
- 17:12:20 [Christophe]
- (...)
- 17:13:00 [Christophe]
- DS: go through tutorials sites elsewhere. E.g. Photoshop tutorial -> how do the same thing in SVG.
- 17:13:49 [darobin]
- http://vectortuts.com/
- 17:14:05 [darobin]
- http://psdtuts.com/
- 17:14:06 [Christophe]
- DS: Also simpler things e.g. what is the simplest way to do a gradient, markers, etc.
- 17:14:23 [stelt]
- http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/how-to-do-photoshop-like-effects-in-svg/
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- -Don_Doherty
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- -??P5
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- -JeffSchiller
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- -darobin
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- -Rob_Russell
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Shepazu
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- GA_SVGIG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Shepazu, +1.713.851.aaaa, +1.312.540.aabb, JeffSchiller, Christophe_Strobbe, Rob_Russell, Don_Doherty, +33.1.77.11.aacc, darobin
- 17:16:34 [Christophe]
- Present: Doug_Schepers, Jeff_Schiller, Bruce_Rindahl, Rob_Russel, Ruud_Steltenpool, Donald_Doherty, Robin_Berjon, Anthony_Grasso, Christophe_Strobbe
- 17:16:42 [Christophe]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 17:16:42 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-svgig-minutes.html Christophe
- 17:17:59 [Christophe]
- regrets: David_Dailey, Dominic_DePasquale, David_Porter, Andreas_Neumann, Manuel_Strehl
- 17:18:13 [Christophe]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 17:18:13 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-svgig-minutes.html Christophe
- 17:18:49 [Christophe]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008OctDec/0087.html
- 17:18:51 [Christophe]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 17:18:51 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-svgig-minutes.html Christophe
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- zakim, bye
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- Present: Doug_Schepers, Jeff_Schiller, Bruce_Rindahl, Rob_Russel, Ruud_Steltenpool, Donald_Doherty, Robin_Berjon, Anthony_Grasso, Christophe_Strobbe, G_WadeJohnson
- 17:20:32 [Christophe]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 17:20:32 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-svgig-minutes.html Christophe
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- 17:21:00 [Christophe]
- rrsagent, bye
- 17:21:00 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items