18:59:58 RRSAgent has joined #sml 18:59:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-irc 19:00:22 johnarwe_ has joined #sml 19:00:39 Kumar has joined #sml 19:00:42 meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-11-20 19:00:47 scribenick: Sandy 19:00:54 scribe: Sandy Gao 19:01:14 XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has now started 19:01:15 +[Microsoft] 19:01:19 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Nov/0038.html 19:01:44 +Sandy 19:01:46 -Sandy 19:01:46 +Sandy 19:02:05 +JohnArwe 19:02:21 MSM sent regrets, is on a plane 19:02:25 chair: John Arwe 19:04:27 +Kumar 19:05:03 regrets: MSM, Kirk 19:05:19 ginny has joined #sml 19:05:51 +Ginny_Smith 19:06:46 topic: Approval of minutes from 2008-11-13 telecon 19:07:12 RESOLUTION: approve 2008-11-13 telecon meeting minutes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Nov/att-0029/20081113-sml-minutes.html 19:08:00 topic: action items 19:08:15 Action 203 is done. 19:08:15 Sorry, couldn't find user - 203 19:08:45 topic: Cancel 11/27, 12/25, 1/1 due to US Holidays? 19:08:58 RESOLUTION: these calls are cancelled. 19:09:09 topci: Candidate Rec draft status 19:09:49 s/topci/topic/ 19:10:00 Kumar: expected publication date Nov. 25. 19:10:42 Kuamr: namespace policy was not included in the publication request. 19:11:00 Kumar: should we have one for each namespace uri, or one that covers all the namespaces? 19:11:19 John: seems we need one for each namespace URI, which is the same as Len's reading. 19:12:05 Ginny: how about one document but linked from multiple places? 19:12:33 Kumar: will confirm with W3C whether it's OK to have single doc with multiple links. 19:12:48 All: OK with Kumar's draft. 19:13:39 RESOLUTION: Kumar to consult with W3C with his draft. 19:14:30 ginny_ has joined #sml 19:14:45 topic: Working Group Note drafts 19:15:02 Len: now has CVS setup OK. wondering where the XLink note should go. 19:15:44 John: likely to put the notes in the same directory as the specs. 19:16:45 [Public] / 2007 / xml / sml 19:16:58 Kumar: source/build files need to go to "sml" directory. 19:17:35 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2007/xml/sml/ 19:18:49 rrsagent, generate minutes 19:18:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-minutes.html Sandy 19:20:47 topic: Triage bugs with no keywords or target 19:21:11 John: seems 4633 is done in the CR candidate draft. should be closed. 19:21:22 Kumar: yes. I will close 4633. 19:23:49 John: 6207 is for CR changes. should also be closed. 19:24:12 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6237 is new, found looking at cosmos code 19:24:31 ginny_ has joined #sml 19:26:43 topic: Bug 6237 is SMLIF locator/documentURI content a URI reference? 19:27:10 John: can documentURI be relative? e.g. to refer to documents in the same directory on the file system. 19:27:26 John: spec doesn't answer one way or the other 19:28:04 Ginny: sounds like relative should be allowed. 19:28:34 John: suggest to use "should". That is, contents of documentURI elements *should* be a URI reference. 19:30:06 http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028/#anyURI 19:32:20 Ginny: the schema type is anyURI, so relative references are already allowed by the normative schema. 19:32:38 Sandy: then what base URI should be used to resolve such relative references? 19:32:41 http://www.w3.org/TR/sml-if/#Base_URI 19:34:30 ginny_ has joined #sml 19:35:36 John: 5.3.4 is the relevant section about where the [base URI] is applied. 19:35:38 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6191 19:35:48 11/6 telecon agreed on the following revision. 19:35:48 19:35:48 smlif 5.4.2, betw existing parag 2 and 3, add: 19:35:48 19:35:48 Note: Since the URI prefixes specified as ruleAlias and documentAlias elements 19:35:49 are aliases, they are subject to all of the processing for aliases as described 19:35:51 in [5.3.3]. For example, if they are relative references then they would be 19:35:53 transformed to absolute URIs before comparison. 19:36:04 John: last week we decided that 5.3.4 does cover aliases. A non-normative note was added. See above under bug 6191. 19:38:01 s/last week/at 2008-11-06 telecon, 19:40:26 It sounds like the proposal emerging is, in section 5.2.2 of SMLIF where it currently says: SML-IF specifies one way that MAY be used to provide the location of the referenced document, the documentURI element. 19:40:42 Have it say: SML-IF specifies one way that MAY be used to provide the location of the referenced document, the documentURI element. (same so far) 19:42:50 ... (new) It is a consequence of documentURI's schema definition that it contains a URI reference, i.e that it may be an absolute URI or relative reference. When it is a relative reference, the [base URI] property SHOULD be used to transform it to an absolute URI, as stated in [5.3.2 Base URIs]. 19:43:22 John: we can add a "should" to say: if documentURI value is relative, then [base URI] *should* be used to resolve it. See above for details. 19:45:30 ginny_ has joined #sml 19:45:43 Ginny: this matches my expectation. 19:48:00 RESOLUTION: adopt the above wording change to resolve bug 6237. No further review needed. 19:49:05 ACTION: Michael to add "PR" as a valid "target milestone" value in SML bugzilla system. 19:49:05 Created ACTION-206 - Add \"PR\" as a valid \"target milestone\" value in SML bugzilla system. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2008-11-27]. 19:50:22 topic: implementation reports 19:50:47 John: anyone thinks the impl reports contain member-confidential material? 19:50:49 All: no. 19:51:05 RESOLUTION: move impl report discussion to the public mailing list. 19:55:28 Kumar: about the impl report format, I think it's easier if the source is in something like Excel, then transform to xml. 19:55:30 ginny_ has joined #sml 20:01:01 John: think we are OK with using Excel for now. Wondering how to merge changes made by different people. 20:02:09 Kumar: we can try to merge the xml file and import back into Excel. 20:06:18 John: there were concerns about using the generic link to COSMOS CVS repository. We may need to point to specific versions of the test cases. 20:06:30 ginny_ has joined #sml 20:06:47 Kumar: better to use the generic pointer (to the latest version) now. after things stablize, we can go through them and add version numbers. 20:08:34 Kumar: COSMOS impl report looks OK. 20:10:03 Ginny: also looked at the diff. what's the next step? 20:10:15 John: need to look at the "potential problem" ones and decide what to do. 20:11:02 John: first such instance is "SchemaBindingNS". If schema binding is supported, then "SchemaBindingNS" can't be implemented. 20:13:02 Kumar: sounds like we need a new "conditionally required" category, in addition to "reqiured" and "optional". 20:15:20 John: Same problem with "smlifBaseUri" and "locatorNS" 20:16:15 s/"optional"./"optional". The condition can be included in the "description" field. 20:17:53 Kumar: I wil add the new "CR = conditionally required" category. Will import changes made to description and implementedByCosmos elements. 20:18:30 ginny_ has joined #sml 20:21:51 John: noSchemaNV. no implementation for this. should reconsider where this feature belongs. suggest to move from "interop" list to "extensibility" list. 20:22:13 RESOLUTION: move "noSchemaNV" from "interop" list to "extensibility" list. 20:24:04 John: Similarly, should "baseUriCheck" be an interop feature? 20:24:15 Kumar: doesn't look interop. 20:24:23 Ginny: agreed. 20:24:49 RESOLUTION: move "baseUriCheck" from "interop" list to "extensibility" list. 20:28:09 John: "baseUriReq" seems to be a duplicate of "baseUri" (renamed to "baseUriIfRelativeURIExists" in COSMOS report) 20:28:23 new/old line numbers: 105/109 smlif:baseuri 139/152 xml:base 163/176 at least one of them required 219/237 appears to dup the prev one(s) 20:28:30 ginny_ has joined #sml 20:28:40 new/old line numbers: 105/109 smlif:baseuri 139/152 xml:base 163/176 at least one of them required 219/237 appears to dup the prev one(s) 20:29:41 [note to scribe: change new/old to old/new] 20:33:00 Ginny: agree that "baseUriReq" is a duplicate of "baseUri" 20:33:41 RESOLUTION: remove "baseUriReq" from the feature list. 20:34:49 Kumar: I will make changes agreed upon today and send out the master copy of the source. 20:38:30 ginny_ has joined #sml 20:40:19 topic: Other Test Case discussion 20:40:45 John: will go through Ginny's list and see whether COSMOS already has tests to cover them. e.g. non-schema-determined ID. 20:41:54 John: should we put the impl report, feature list etc. at a fixed location, so that we don't have to fish through the archive all the time. 20:42:07 Ginny: sounds like a good idea. 20:43:02 Kumar: I can add Ginny's list to my Excel. That'll make it easier to manage the lists. 20:45:50 ACTION: John to put content of Kumar's zip file at a location, preferrably publicly accessible. 20:45:50 Created ACTION-207 - Put content of Kumar's zip file at a location, preferrably publicly accessible. [on John Arwe - due 2008-11-27]. 20:46:53 -[Microsoft] 20:46:54 -Ginny_Smith 20:46:54 -Kumar 20:46:55 -Sandy 20:47:00 -JohnArwe 20:47:01 XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended 20:47:03 Attendees were [Microsoft], Sandy, JohnArwe, Kumar, Ginny_Smith 20:47:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-minutes.html Sandy 20:48:02 bye rrsagent 20:48:09 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-actions.rdf : 20:48:09 ACTION: Michael to add "PR" as a valid "target milestone" value in SML bugzilla system. [1] 20:48:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-irc#T19-49-05 20:48:09 ACTION: John to put content of Kumar's zip file at a location, preferrably publicly accessible. [2] 20:48:09 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-irc#T20-45-50