IRC log of sml on 2008-11-20

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meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-11-20
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scribenick: Sandy
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scribe: Sandy Gao
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XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has now started
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+[Microsoft]
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Nov/0038.html
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+Sandy
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-Sandy
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+Sandy
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+JohnArwe
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MSM sent regrets, is on a plane
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chair: John Arwe
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+Kumar
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regrets: MSM, Kirk
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topic: Approval of minutes from 2008-11-13 telecon
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RESOLUTION: approve 2008-11-13 telecon meeting minutes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Nov/att-0029/20081113-sml-minutes.html
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topic: action items
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Action 203 is done.
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Sorry, couldn't find user - 203
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topic: Cancel 11/27, 12/25, 1/1 due to US Holidays?
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RESOLUTION: these calls are cancelled.
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topci: Candidate Rec draft status
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s/topci/topic/
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Kumar: expected publication date Nov. 25.
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Kuamr: namespace policy was not included in the publication request.
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Kumar: should we have one for each namespace uri, or one that covers all the namespaces?
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John: seems we need one for each namespace URI, which is the same as Len's reading.
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Ginny: how about one document but linked from multiple places?
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Kumar: will confirm with W3C whether it's OK to have single doc with multiple links.
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All: OK with Kumar's draft.
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RESOLUTION: Kumar to consult with W3C with his draft.
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topic: Working Group Note drafts
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Len: now has CVS setup OK. wondering where the XLink note should go.
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John: likely to put the notes in the same directory as the specs.
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[Public] / 2007 / xml / sml
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Kumar: source/build files need to go to "sml" directory.
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http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2007/xml/sml/
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-minutes.html Sandy
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topic: Triage bugs with no keywords or target
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John: seems 4633 is done in the CR candidate draft. should be closed.
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Kumar: yes. I will close 4633.
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John: 6207 is for CR changes. should also be closed.
19:24:12 [johnarwe_]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6237 is new, found looking at cosmos code
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topic: Bug 6237 is SMLIF locator/documentURI content a URI reference?
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John: can documentURI be relative? e.g. to refer to documents in the same directory on the file system.
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John: spec doesn't answer one way or the other
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Ginny: sounds like relative should be allowed.
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John: suggest to use "should". That is, contents of documentURI elements *should* be a URI reference.
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028/#anyURI
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Ginny: the schema type is anyURI, so relative references are already allowed by the normative schema.
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Sandy: then what base URI should be used to resolve such relative references?
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http://www.w3.org/TR/sml-if/#Base_URI
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John: 5.3.4 is the relevant section about where the [base URI] is applied.
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6191
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11/6 telecon agreed on the following revision.
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smlif 5.4.2, betw existing parag 2 and 3, add:
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Note: Since the URI prefixes specified as ruleAlias and documentAlias elements
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are aliases, they are subject to all of the processing for aliases as described
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in [5.3.3]. For example, if they are relative references then they would be
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transformed to absolute URIs before comparison.
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John: last week we decided that 5.3.4 does cover aliases. A non-normative note was added. See above under bug 6191.
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s/last week/at 2008-11-06 telecon,
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It sounds like the proposal emerging is, in section 5.2.2 of SMLIF where it currently says: SML-IF specifies one way that MAY be used to provide the location of the referenced document, the documentURI element.
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Have it say: SML-IF specifies one way that MAY be used to provide the location of the referenced document, the documentURI element. (same so far)
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... (new) It is a consequence of documentURI's schema definition that it contains a URI reference, i.e that it may be an absolute URI or relative reference. When it is a relative reference, the [base URI] property SHOULD be used to transform it to an absolute URI, as stated in [5.3.2 Base URIs].
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John: we can add a "should" to say: if documentURI value is relative, then [base URI] *should* be used to resolve it. See above for details.
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Ginny: this matches my expectation.
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RESOLUTION: adopt the above wording change to resolve bug 6237. No further review needed.
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ACTION: Michael to add "PR" as a valid "target milestone" value in SML bugzilla system.
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Created ACTION-206 - Add \"PR\" as a valid \"target milestone\" value in SML bugzilla system. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2008-11-27].
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topic: implementation reports
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John: anyone thinks the impl reports contain member-confidential material?
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All: no.
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RESOLUTION: move impl report discussion to the public mailing list.
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Kumar: about the impl report format, I think it's easier if the source is in something like Excel, then transform to xml.
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John: think we are OK with using Excel for now. Wondering how to merge changes made by different people.
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Kumar: we can try to merge the xml file and import back into Excel.
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John: there were concerns about using the generic link to COSMOS CVS repository. We may need to point to specific versions of the test cases.
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Kumar: better to use the generic pointer (to the latest version) now. after things stablize, we can go through them and add version numbers.
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Kumar: COSMOS impl report looks OK.
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Ginny: also looked at the diff. what's the next step?
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John: need to look at the "potential problem" ones and decide what to do.
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John: first such instance is "SchemaBindingNS". If schema binding is supported, then "SchemaBindingNS" can't be implemented.
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Kumar: sounds like we need a new "conditionally required" category, in addition to "reqiured" and "optional".
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John: Same problem with "smlifBaseUri" and "locatorNS"
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s/"optional"./"optional". The condition can be included in the "description" field.
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Kumar: I wil add the new "CR = conditionally required" category. Will import changes made to description and implementedByCosmos elements.
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John: noSchemaNV. no implementation for this. should reconsider where this feature belongs. suggest to move from "interop" list to "extensibility" list.
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RESOLUTION: move "noSchemaNV" from "interop" list to "extensibility" list.
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John: Similarly, should "baseUriCheck" be an interop feature?
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Kumar: doesn't look interop.
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Ginny: agreed.
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RESOLUTION: move "baseUriCheck" from "interop" list to "extensibility" list.
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John: "baseUriReq" seems to be a duplicate of "baseUri" (renamed to "baseUriIfRelativeURIExists" in COSMOS report)
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new/old line numbers: 105/109 smlif:baseuri 139/152 xml:base 163/176 at least one of them required 219/237 appears to dup the prev one(s)
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new/old line numbers: 105/109 smlif:baseuri 139/152 xml:base 163/176 at least one of them required 219/237 appears to dup the prev one(s)
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[note to scribe: change new/old to old/new]
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Ginny: agree that "baseUriReq" is a duplicate of "baseUri"
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RESOLUTION: remove "baseUriReq" from the feature list.
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Kumar: I will make changes agreed upon today and send out the master copy of the source.
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topic: Other Test Case discussion
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John: will go through Ginny's list and see whether COSMOS already has tests to cover them. e.g. non-schema-determined ID.
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John: should we put the impl report, feature list etc. at a fixed location, so that we don't have to fish through the archive all the time.
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Ginny: sounds like a good idea.
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Kumar: I can add Ginny's list to my Excel. That'll make it easier to manage the lists.
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ACTION: John to put content of Kumar's zip file at a location, preferrably publicly accessible.
20:45:50 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-207 - Put content of Kumar's zip file at a location, preferrably publicly accessible. [on John Arwe - due 2008-11-27].
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-[Microsoft]
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-Ginny_Smith
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-Kumar
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-Sandy
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-JohnArwe
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XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
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Attendees were [Microsoft], Sandy, JohnArwe, Kumar, Ginny_Smith
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-minutes.html Sandy
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bye rrsagent
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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Michael to add "PR" as a valid "target milestone" value in SML bugzilla system. [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-irc#T19-49-05
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ACTION: John to put content of Kumar's zip file at a location, preferrably publicly accessible. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-sml-irc#T20-45-50