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13:26:12 <shadi> trackbot, start meeting
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13:26:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
13:26:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:26:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
13:26:17 <trackbot> Date: 19 November 2008
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13:27:52 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:28:00 <shadi> chair: Mike
13:28:27 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Nov/0026.html
13:28:42 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema
13:28:56 <shadi> agenda+ Http in RDF
13:29:10 <shadi> agenda+ Content in RDF
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13:30:17 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
13:30:23 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:30:30 <Zakim> + +1.512.286.aaaa
13:30:32 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:30:43 <MikeS> zakim, +1.512 is MikeS
13:30:43 <Zakim> +MikeS; got it
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13:31:30 <MikeS> zakim, who is on the phone
13:31:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', MikeS
13:31:43 <MikeS> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:31:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikeS, Shadi
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13:32:11 <Zakim> +??P9
13:32:24 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:32:42 <JohannesK> Zakim, ??P9 is JohannesK
13:32:42 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
13:32:47 <Zakim> +CarlosV
13:33:42 <shadi> agenda?
13:34:24 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:34:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Schema" taken up [from shadi]
13:34:25 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20081106
13:34:43 <shadi> MS: objective for today is to go through some of the open questions
13:35:03 <shadi> ...primarily the "specific questions", then the "editorial questions"
13:35:20 <shadi> ...may need to leave the others for future calls
13:35:31 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Nov/0025.html
13:36:17 <shadi> [Definition of Outcome]
13:36:41 <shadi> CV: philosophical question, how we want design this
13:37:00 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Nov/0023
13:38:49 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Nov/att-0012/earl.rdf
13:39:03 <shadi> <earl:Outcome rdf:ID="pass">
13:39:03 <shadi> <rdfs:label xml:lang="en">Pass</rdfs:label>
13:39:03 <shadi> <rdfs:comment xml:lang="en">Test passed</rdfs:comment>
13:39:03 <shadi> <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#Thing"/>
13:39:03 <shadi> </earl:Outcome>
13:41:20 <shadi> SAZ: seems to be agreement that owl:Thing is not  necessary
13:42:36 <shadi> ...want to have custom values
13:43:16 <shadi> ...option 1: individual outcome values should be subclasses of earl:Outcome
13:44:00 <shadi> ...option 2: is to do the approach explained in <earl:Outcome rdf:ID="pass">
13:44:00 <shadi> <rdfs:label xml:lang="en">Pass</rdfs:label>
13:44:00 <shadi> <rdfs:comment xml:lang="en">Test passed</rdfs:comment>
13:44:00 <shadi> <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#Thing"/>
13:44:00 <shadi> </earl:Outcome>
13:44:56 <shadi> ...option 2: is to do the approach explained in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Nov/0023.html
13:46:51 <shadi> JK: preference to make the outcome values resources rather than classes
13:47:07 <shadi> ...and to make new values new resources
13:48:12 <shadi> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#cannotTell">
13:48:12 <shadi>    <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.example.org/my#CannotTellOutcome"/>
13:48:12 <shadi> </rdf:Description>
13:50:19 <shadi> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://www.example.org/my#CannotTellOutcome">
13:50:19 <shadi>    <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#cannotTell"/>
13:50:19 <shadi> </rdf:Description>
13:52:28 <shadi> CV: do we need to do this?
13:52:45 <shadi> ...can just subclass earl:Outcome
13:53:03 <shadi> JK: what would my:probablyPass mean?
13:53:12 <shadi> CV: would be earl:Outcome
13:55:09 <shadi> SAZ: want to create a "probablyPass" value, which is actually a "cannotTell"
13:56:40 <shadi> ...think that the atomic values that we provide in EARL (pass, fail, ...) need to be classes
13:56:53 <shadi> CV: seems cumbersome
13:59:13 <shadi> MS: not convinced that need to be classes
14:00:18 <shadi> JK: what was the use case? some tool creates a "my:probablyPass" but a second tool doesn't know the "my:" vocabulary
14:00:37 <shadi> ...should still be able to infer that it is an earl:cannotTell
14:02:14 <shadi> SAZ: workaround by JK changes meaning of initial vocabulary
14:02:24 <shadi> ...think this is bad RDF ethics
14:04:19 <shadi> action: shadi to ask SWIG if there other ways to do this rather than to create individual classes for each value
14:04:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Ask SWIG if there other ways to do this rather than to create individual classes for each value [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-26].
14:04:28 <JohannesK> <rdfs:Class rdf:ID="OutcomePass">
14:04:29 <JohannesK>   <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="&earl;Outcome"/>
14:04:31 <JohannesK> </rdfs:Class>
14:06:51 <shadi> [Adoption of DOAP]
14:07:10 <shadi> MK: should we adopt this, and if so how?
14:07:29 <shadi> CV: description of a project, vocabulary is quite simple
14:07:46 <shadi> ...offers versioning, home page, etc
14:08:02 <shadi> ...all the part of open source projects
14:08:38 <shadi> MS: do we want to adopt this?
14:10:30 <shadi> SAZ: do not think we need to add any terms for DOAP
14:10:48 <shadi> ...could adopt it like we adopt FOAF
14:11:21 <shadi> MS: what benefit would we get from adopting DOAP? we have dc:version and foaf:homepage in a software already
14:12:28 <shadi> JK: is there a problem with someone using DOAP terms?
14:13:16 <shadi> SAZ: would be just repeating dc:version and doap:version for example, but no compatibility issues
14:13:56 <shadi> action: cvelasco to suggest specific DOAP terms that would be useful for us to adopt (because they go beyond what we currently have)
14:13:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Suggest specific DOAP terms that would be useful for us to adopt (because they go beyond what we currently have) [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2008-11-26].
14:14:20 <shadi> [Conformance section]
14:14:51 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20081106#conformance
14:15:17 <shadi> MS: we have conformance notes inline, do we also want a conformance section?
14:18:22 <shadi> SAZ: think there is a level describing the individual classes and entities, and the other is about processing
14:19:35 <shadi> MS: is there presendence?
14:19:49 <shadi> SAZ: i think SPARQL and maybe POWDER
14:20:32 <shadi> action: msquilla to check about SPARQL and POWDER approach on processing rules
14:20:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Check about SPARQL and POWDER approach on processing rules [on Michael Squillace - due 2008-11-26].
14:21:50 <shadi> SAZ: also CC/PP may have a similar approach
14:30:57 <shadi> JK: there is a difference btween EARL generating tools and EARL processing tools
14:33:59 <Zakim> -CarlosV
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14:35:25 <shadi> action: msquilla and shadi to take another pass at the conformance section
14:35:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - And shadi to take another pass at the conformance section [on Michael Squillace - due 2008-11-26].
14:36:16 <Zakim> -JohannesK
14:36:20 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:36:22 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
14:36:27 <Zakim> -MikeS
14:36:28 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:36:30 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.512.286.aaaa, Shadi, MikeS, Carlos_Iglesias, JohannesK, CarlosV
14:37:10 <MikeS> do you have time to debrief afte you finish the minutes?
14:38:10 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
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14:38:14 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'minutes', shadi.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:38:31 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:38:34 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:38:39 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:38:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-er-minutes.html shadi
14:38:43 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:38:43 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-er-actions.rdf :
14:38:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to ask SWIG if there other ways to do this rather than to create individual classes for each value [1]
14:38:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-er-irc#T14-04-19
14:38:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cvelasco to suggest specific DOAP terms that would be useful for us to adopt (because they go beyond what we currently have) [2]
14:38:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-er-irc#T14-13-56
14:38:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: msquilla to check about SPARQL and POWDER approach on processing rules [3]
14:38:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-er-irc#T14-20-32
14:38:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: msquilla and shadi to take another pass at the conformance section [4]
14:38:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-er-irc#T14-35-25