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15:58:23 <wilhelm> RRSAgent, make log public
15:58:33 <wilhelm> Zakim, this will be TS
15:58:33 <Zakim> ok, wilhelm; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:59:05 <wilhelm> Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf
16:00:01 <wilhelm> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Nov/0003.html
16:00:18 <wilhelm> Chair: dom 
16:01:41 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
16:01:48 <Zakim> +??P38
16:01:51 <Zakim> +wilhelm
16:01:54 <dom> zakim, ??P38 is me
16:01:54 <Zakim> +dom; got it
16:02:31 <Zakim> + +0788217aaaa
16:02:41 <dom> zakim, aaaa is Kai
16:02:41 <Zakim> +Kai; got it
16:03:04 <dom> Topic: Widgets Testing
16:03:16 <dom> ACTION: Kai to forward his notes to the webapps list and to announce his early work on testing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
16:03:17 <Zakim> +Carmelo
16:03:24 <hendry> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008OctDec/0235.html
16:04:53 <dom> Kai: I haven't received any answer on that yet; I'm still working on it, but would be useful to get feedback
16:05:24 <dom> ACTION: Dom to raise visibility on Kai's work on widgets to the WebAppS WG Chairs
16:05:39 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on widgets testing with Kai [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [PENDING]
16:06:00 <dom> Wilhelm: I'm looking internally to see which systems and resources that we can share from Opera; it's pending approval
16:06:08 <dom> ... I'm trying to get more people involved
16:06:51 <dom> ACTION: Dom to review Kai's work on widgets testing
16:07:20 <Zakim> +??P19
16:07:30 <dom> zakim, ??P19 is dmitri
16:07:30 <Zakim> +dmitri; got it
16:07:38 <dom> Topic: Cookies test suite
16:07:51 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING]
16:07:57 <dom> Wilhelm: made some progress
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16:08:29 <dom> Kai: have you noticed on the new windows mobile browser screenshot of the WCT that it is failing the cookies test?
16:09:06 <dom> ACTION: Kai to investigate why IE Mobile fais the cookies test
16:09:44 <dom> Kai: I'm surprised that it passed the contenteditable and inputmode tests
16:09:58 <dom> Wilhelm: I can make tests that actually use these features to check
16:10:15 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to provide test cases showing actual usage of contenteditable and inputmode for IE Mobile testing
16:10:33 <dom> Topic: Device Independent Testing Guidelines
16:10:54 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to update the di guidelines based on the comments received so far [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING]
16:11:02 <dom> s/PENDING/DONE
16:11:12 <dom> Carmelo: I've put up an updated version in the repository
16:11:18 <hendry> link? to diff? :P
16:11:19 <dom> ... Someone suggested to add examples to the guidelines
16:11:35 <dom> ... if anyone has actual examples to suggest as a basis for inspiration, this would be great
16:11:40 <dom> s/DONE/PENDING
16:11:48 <hendry> http://dev.w3.org/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html
16:11:57 <dom> -> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html CVS 
16:13:58 <dom> ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines
16:14:10 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to review the di guidelines
16:14:20 <dom> ACTION: Kai to contribute to the di guidelines (an example?)
16:14:38 <dom> Topic: Web Compatibility Test
16:14:58 <dom> ACTION: Dom to make it easier to get to wct from /Mobile on W3C site [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]
16:15:06 <dom> http://www.w3.org/Mobile/
16:15:50 <dom> ACTION: Dom to check about requirements for press release on web compatibility test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING]
16:17:25 <dom> Dom: seems like making a press release out of the blue would be a bit awkward
16:17:44 <dom> ... didn't hear much enthusiasm about doing a technical report last time
16:18:06 <dom> ... we could piggy back on a related event, but not sure what
16:20:48 <dom> Kai: we could review the leading browsers through the test
16:20:59 <dom> ... and publish that as a state of the industry
16:23:12 <dom> dom: we need to remain vendors neutral
16:23:27 <dom> ... but we could do a more in depth analysis of the current state of the market
16:24:49 <dom> kai: like that idea; would be worth doing on a regular basis too
16:25:26 <dom> ... I'm happy to contribute screenshots as I take them
16:26:41 <dom> ACTION: Kai to propose a first "draft" of the white paper on WCTMB
16:27:44 <dom> Topic: Agreement on test suites with OMA
16:30:09 <dom> ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report
16:31:34 <dom> Wilhelm: we need to make sure that their tests are correct
16:31:50 <dom> ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites
16:35:39 <dom> Topic: Rechartering
16:35:51 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2008Nov/0002.html Rechartering
16:37:21 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/11/mwi-test-charter.html proposed new charter
16:39:14 <dom> Kai: the mission sounded too hardcore compared to what we actually do
16:43:00 <dom> ACTION: Kai to suggest improved wording for the charter
16:43:38 <Zakim> -Carmelo
16:43:39 <Zakim> -dom
16:43:40 <Zakim> -Kai
16:43:41 <Zakim> -wilhelm
16:43:43 <Zakim> -dmitri
16:43:44 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
16:43:45 <Zakim> Attendees were wilhelm, dom, +0788217aaaa, Kai, Carmelo, dmitri
16:44:08 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:44:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html dom
16:44:15 <dom> Zakim, bye
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16:45:57 <dom> s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/g
16:45:59 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:45:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html dom
16:46:01 <dom> RRSAgent, bye
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> I see 17 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-actions.rdf :
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kai to forward his notes to the webapps list and to announce his early work on testing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [1]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-03-16
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to raise visibility on Kai's work on widgets to the WebAppS WG Chairs [2]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-05-24
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on widgets testing with Kai [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [PENDING] [3]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-05-39
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to review Kai's work on widgets testing [4]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-06-51
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] [5]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-07-51
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kai to investigate why IE Mobile fais the cookies test [6]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-09-06
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wilhelm to provide test cases showing actual usage of contenteditable and inputmode for IE Mobile testing [7]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-10-15
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to update the di guidelines based on the comments received so far [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] [8]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-10-54
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines [9]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-13-58
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wilhelm to review the di guidelines [10]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-14-10
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kai to contribute to the di guidelines (an example?) [11]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-14-20
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to make it easier to get to wct from /Mobile on W3C site [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] [12]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-14-58
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to check about requirements for press release on web compatibility test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] [13]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-15-50
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kai to propose a first "draft" of the white paper on WCTMB [14]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-26-41
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report [15]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-30-09
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites [16]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-31-50
16:46:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kai to suggest improved wording for the charter [17]
16:46:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc#T16-43-00