19:30:03 RRSAgent has joined #svg 19:30:03 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/11/17-svg-irc 19:30:05 RRSAgent, make logs public 19:30:07 Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG 19:30:08 Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference 19:30:08 Date: 17 November 2008 19:30:08 ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()2:30PM scheduled to start now 19:30:26 GA_SVGWG()2:30PM has now started 19:30:28 +Shepazu 19:31:29 +[IPcaller] 19:32:31 +??P5 19:32:38 Zakim, ??P5 is me 19:32:38 +ed; got it 19:32:43 Zakim, [IP is me 19:32:43 +anthony; got it 19:32:58 chris has joined #svg 19:34:02 +??P3 19:34:12 Zakim, code? 19:34:12 the conference code is 7841 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), heycam 19:35:45 Zakim, who's here? 19:35:45 On the phone I see Shepazu, anthony, ed, ??P3 19:35:47 On IRC I see chris, RRSAgent, Zakim, ed, heycam, shepazu, anthony, trackbot 19:35:54 +??P6 19:35:57 Zakim, ??P6 is me 19:35:57 +heycam; got it 19:36:10 Zakim, ??P3 is chris 19:36:10 +chris; got it 19:36:11 zakim, ??p3 is me 19:36:12 I already had ??P3 as chris, chris 19:36:33 zakim, who is here? 19:36:33 On the phone I see Shepazu, anthony, ed, chris, heycam 19:36:34 On IRC I see chris, RRSAgent, Zakim, ed, heycam, shepazu, anthony, trackbot 19:38:36 scribe: anthony 19:38:42 chair: Erik 19:39:28 Topic: SVG Trip Report 19:39:56 DS: As you probably know I went to Japan a week and half a go 19:40:01 ... to speak at a conference 19:40:17 ... and meet with people from the JIS interest group 19:40:20 ... I spoke at the conference 19:40:42 ... at a Conference called Wed Directions East 19:41:19 ... was started by John Ollsop 19:41:42 ... he started the conference series 19:41:47 ... on in Australia 19:41:52 ... I was speaking on SVG and Canvas 19:41:55 s/Ollsop/Allsop/ 19:42:02 ... I just went over both of them 19:42:10 ... features, and how they could be integrated 19:42:23 ... demoed 'wow' stuff they could do 19:42:32 ... other presentations were awesome 19:42:47 ... I was asked to give a presentation at Wed Directions North 19:42:53 ... as a result 19:43:09 ... I'm already starting work on the next presentation 19:43:15 ... coding up a site with examples 19:43:32 ... I'll be asking for feedback and presenting it to you guys 19:44:14 ... saw some amazing data visualisation 19:44:37 ... I also talked to people from CSS world 19:44:52 ... there is good support for SVG, CSS, and HTML to be integrated in 19:45:19 ... a closer package 19:45:29 ... I met with the JIS Group 19:45:43 ... they discuss Japanese centric market interest 19:46:03 ... a few things came out of the meeting 19:46:19 ... presentation from takagi-san from KDDI 19:46:59 ... he's been working on a map architecture using SVG 19:47:23 ... he's been moved from R&D to productisation 19:47:59 ... he's got some level of detail stuff in his spec 19:48:14 ... ways of using RDF to establish a virtual view port 19:48:35 ... to establish mapping between coordinate systems 19:48:55 ... there is also a tiling aspect to it 19:49:16 ... there is an algorithm that decides which tiles are displayed 19:50:42 ... he plans on bringing this to the SVG Working Group 19:50:53 ... in about 6 months or so 19:51:03 ... and at the same time bring it up with the JIS Group 19:51:39 ... probably the only this could get industry support is if SVG is adopted by JIS 19:52:07 ... we've already overcome one hurdle by moving SVG Tiny forward now 19:54:27 ... however, inorder to convince the government that this version is not going to be super-seeded but in addition to be stable it needs to be sustained 19:54:59 ... for mobile that is the case 19:55:16 ... no matter how fast we move as a working group we need to make sure something is implemented 19:55:32 ... the JIS group will be looking at SVG over the course of the next year 19:56:23 ... so between now and the next 6 months they may announce that it will be adopted 19:58:49 ... In summary point 1 was there was an interesting map proposal 19:59:10 ... simply proposing something to the Working Group doesn't mean it will be published as is though 19:59:33 ... they want us to get in contact with the ISO people for this as well 20:00:08 ... we have to make it clear that if wants to come to us with this that we should check with other vendors if 20:00:13 ... this is the right way to go 20:01:26 ... Point 2 the JIS wants to standardise SVG Tiny 1.2 and the mapping module 20:02:29 ... the significance of this is if JIS becomes an SVG standard people that have not originally adopted SVG my adopt it now 20:02:45 ... JIS in Japan carry a great deal of weight 20:05:59 ... there were several companies there I think they are waiting to see where SVG goes with the market 20:19:21 Testimonials from Adobe; BitFlash; Canon; Corel; CSIRO; Ericsson; 20:19:21 Hewlett Packard; ILOG; KDDI; Nokia; Openwave; Schema Software; Sharp; 20:19:21 Texas Instruments 20:19:21 http://www.w3.org/2003/01/svg11-testimonial 20:19:55 Topic: Testimonials 20:20:17 DS: Reminder that we need testimonials 20:20:21 ... example link above 20:20:23 another example: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2006JulSep/0025.html 20:22:43 ... don't have to be part of the Working Group to make a testimonial 20:22:49 ... as long as you're a member 20:23:17 Topic: Filter Property 20:23:45 CL: [Gives history lesson on filter property] 20:34:16 ed__ has joined #svg 20:34:51 -ed 20:35:02 ed___ has joined #svg 20:35:37 +??P5 20:35:49 [Discussion on feature strings] 20:36:10 ed____ has joined #svg 20:36:33 -??P5 20:36:38 I think we should have feature strings for each element, more useful for authors to detect support and provide fallback 20:36:48 ed has joined #svg 20:37:33 DS: There are two practical off shoots from this 20:37:46 ... describe a method for people to detect SVG Filters 20:37:52 ed__ has joined #svg 20:38:47 +??P5 20:38:50 CM: The thread on the ECMA script discussion got into discussion of hacks Webkit has 20:39:40 RRSAgent, pointer please? 20:39:40 See http://www.w3.org/2008/11/17-svg-irc#T20-39-40 20:39:53 ... when testing for filters and document.all you get a false negative 20:40:57 ... so it's a matter of whether things should be changed at our end 20:41:09 ... or perhaps change what is returned in CSS 20:41:43 DS: As SVG gets mixed into HTML we'll probably run into this problem 20:42:23 s/change what is returned in CSS/change the property name on the CSSStyleDeclaration object to something other than "filter"/ 20:44:43 ED: note that the CSS WG seems to be doing a new revision of the CSS OM, http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom/ 20:45:54 DS: Can you post something along those lines? 20:46:04 CM: I'll just post to say we are looking into it 20:46:52 Topic: Module/Future Work 20:47:23 DS: We could consider the modules to be chapters of a spec 20:47:57 CL: I assumed that we would at some point use the modules by reference or stick them into a spec 20:48:02 ... there are problems both ways 20:48:11 CM: There's are pros and cons with each way 20:48:18 agreed 20:48:21 ... integration, and defining hooks 20:48:36 ... and the advantage of being able to advance modules at different rates is a good one 20:49:13 ED: agrees with heycam that there are pros and cons 20:55:10 DS: Priorities should be layout, diffusion curves, 2.5D and make sure we work well with CSS on that 20:55:29 AG: I think Chris wanted to work on Vector Effects stuff 20:57:35 ED: has a lot of filter module actions, should get around to doing them, put off because of tiny1.2 work 21:04:52 -anthony 21:04:53 -??P5 21:05:01 rrsagent, make minutes 21:05:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/17-svg-minutes.html chris 21:05:10 zakim, who is here? 21:05:10 On the phone I see Shepazu, chris, heycam 21:05:11 On IRC I see ed--, chris, RRSAgent, Zakim, heycam, shepazu, anthony, trackbot 21:06:04 rrsagent, make logs public 21:06:27 rrsagent, make minutes 21:06:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/17-svg-minutes.html chris 21:13:01 -chris 21:13:02 -heycam 21:13:21 -Shepazu 21:13:23 GA_SVGWG()2:30PM has ended 21:13:24 Attendees were Shepazu, [IPcaller], ed, anthony, heycam, chris 21:28:42 ChrisL has joined #svg 22:52:19 heycam has joined #svg 22:54:49 shepazu, did you sort out the ITS stuff? 23:13:42 heycam: not yet 23:13:54 so i've just committed the updated diff chapters 23:13:57 and with the updated publish.conf 23:14:11 for some reason the linked stylesheet's not working properly when viewing the diff chapters from dev.w3.org 23:14:16 seems ok on my local machine though 23:14:48 could you cvs up, and view one of the diff chapters locally, and confirm that the green/red/yellow highlights show up? 23:15:05 RRSAgent, bye 23:15:05 I see no action items