IRC log of svg on 2008-11-17

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Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 17 November 2008
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19:32:38 [ed]
Zakim, ??P5 is me
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+ed; got it
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Zakim, [IP is me
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+anthony; got it
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Zakim, code?
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the conference code is 7841 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), heycam
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Zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Shepazu, anthony, ed, ??P3
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On IRC I see chris, RRSAgent, Zakim, ed, heycam, shepazu, anthony, trackbot
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Zakim, ??P6 is me
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+heycam; got it
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Zakim, ??P3 is chris
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+chris; got it
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zakim, ??p3 is me
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I already had ??P3 as chris, chris
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zakim, who is here?
19:36:33 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Shepazu, anthony, ed, chris, heycam
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On IRC I see chris, RRSAgent, Zakim, ed, heycam, shepazu, anthony, trackbot
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scribe: anthony
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chair: Erik
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Topic: SVG Trip Report
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DS: As you probably know I went to Japan a week and half a go
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... to speak at a conference
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... and meet with people from the JIS interest group
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... I spoke at the conference
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... at a Conference called Wed Directions East
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... was started by John Ollsop
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... he started the conference series
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... on in Australia
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... I was speaking on SVG and Canvas
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... I just went over both of them
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... features, and how they could be integrated
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... demoed 'wow' stuff they could do
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... other presentations were awesome
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... I was asked to give a presentation at Wed Directions North
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... as a result
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... I'm already starting work on the next presentation
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... coding up a site with examples
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... I'll be asking for feedback and presenting it to you guys
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... saw some amazing data visualisation
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... I also talked to people from CSS world
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... there is good support for SVG, CSS, and HTML to be integrated in
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... a closer package
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... I met with the JIS Group
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... they discuss Japanese centric market interest
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... a few things came out of the meeting
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... presentation from takagi-san from KDDI
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... he's been working on a map architecture using SVG
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... he's been moved from R&D to productisation
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... he's got some level of detail stuff in his spec
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... ways of using RDF to establish a virtual view port
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... to establish mapping between coordinate systems
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... there is also a tiling aspect to it
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... there is an algorithm that decides which tiles are displayed
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... he plans on bringing this to the SVG Working Group
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... in about 6 months or so
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... and at the same time bring it up with the JIS Group
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... probably the only this could get industry support is if SVG is adopted by JIS
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... we've already overcome one hurdle by moving SVG Tiny forward now
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... however, inorder to convince the government that this version is not going to be super-seeded but in addition to be stable it needs to be sustained
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... for mobile that is the case
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... no matter how fast we move as a working group we need to make sure something is implemented
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... the JIS group will be looking at SVG over the course of the next year
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... so between now and the next 6 months they may announce that it will be adopted
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... In summary point 1 was there was an interesting map proposal
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... simply proposing something to the Working Group doesn't mean it will be published as is though
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... they want us to get in contact with the ISO people for this as well
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... we have to make it clear that if wants to come to us with this that we should check with other vendors if
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... this is the right way to go
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... Point 2 the JIS wants to standardise SVG Tiny 1.2 and the mapping module
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... the significance of this is if JIS becomes an SVG standard people that have not originally adopted SVG my adopt it now
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... JIS in Japan carry a great deal of weight
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... there were several companies there I think they are waiting to see where SVG goes with the market
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Testimonials from Adobe; BitFlash; Canon; Corel; CSIRO; Ericsson;
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Hewlett Packard; ILOG; KDDI; Nokia; Openwave; Schema Software; Sharp;
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Texas Instruments
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20:19:55 [anthony]
Topic: Testimonials
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DS: Reminder that we need testimonials
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... example link above
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another example:
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... don't have to be part of the Working Group to make a testimonial
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... as long as you're a member
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Topic: Filter Property
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CL: [Gives history lesson on filter property]
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20:35:49 [anthony]
[Discussion on feature strings]
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I think we should have feature strings for each element, more useful for authors to detect support and provide fallback
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DS: There are two practical off shoots from this
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... describe a method for people to detect SVG Filters
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CM: The thread on the ECMA script discussion got into discussion of hacks Webkit has
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RRSAgent, pointer please?
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20:39:53 [anthony]
... when testing for filters and document.all you get a false negative
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... so it's a matter of whether things should be changed at our end
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... or perhaps change what is returned in CSS
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DS: As SVG gets mixed into HTML we'll probably run into this problem
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s/change what is returned in CSS/change the property name on the CSSStyleDeclaration object to something other than "filter"/
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ED: note that the CSS WG seems to be doing a new revision of the CSS OM,
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DS: Can you post something along those lines?
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CM: I'll just post to say we are looking into it
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Topic: Module/Future Work
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DS: We could consider the modules to be chapters of a spec
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CL: I assumed that we would at some point use the modules by reference or stick them into a spec
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... there are problems both ways
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CM: There's are pros and cons with each way
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... integration, and defining hooks
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... and the advantage of being able to advance modules at different rates is a good one
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ED: agrees with heycam that there are pros and cons
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DS: Priorities should be layout, diffusion curves, 2.5D and make sure we work well with CSS on that
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AG: I think Chris wanted to work on Vector Effects stuff
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ED: has a lot of filter module actions, should get around to doing them, put off because of tiny1.2 work
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate chris
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Shepazu, chris, heycam
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On IRC I see ed--, chris, RRSAgent, Zakim, heycam, shepazu, anthony, trackbot
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rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate chris
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GA_SVGWG()2:30PM has ended
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Attendees were Shepazu, [IPcaller], ed, anthony, heycam, chris
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shepazu, did you sort out the ITS stuff?
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heycam: not yet
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so i've just committed the updated diff chapters
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and with the updated publish.conf
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for some reason the linked stylesheet's not working properly when viewing the diff chapters from
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seems ok on my local machine though
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could you cvs up, and view one of the diff chapters locally, and confirm that the green/red/yellow highlights show up?
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RRSAgent, bye
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