IRC log of bpwg on 2008-11-13

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14:54:02 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be BPWG
14:54:02 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:54:03 [trackbot]: Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:54:03 [trackbot]: Date: 13 November 2008
14:54:27 [jo]: zakim, ping me in 5 mins
14:54:27 [Zakim]: ok, jo
14:55:59 [francois]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Nov/0030.html
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14:57:09 [francois]: Regrets: Bryan, SangwhanMoon, rob, BruceLawson, Kai, DavidStorey
14:57:49 [francois]: Regrets+ abel, nacho
14:59:08 [jo]: zakim, code?
14:59:08 [Zakim]: the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
14:59:28 [Zakim]: jo, you asked to be pinged at this time
14:59:40 [Zakim]: MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started
14:59:48 [Zakim]: +??P4
15:00:02 [jo]: zakim, ??P4 is me
15:00:02 [Zakim]: +jo; got it
15:00:23 [Zakim]: +Francois
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15:01:50 [Zakim]: +DKA
15:02:11 [francois]: Chair: jo
15:02:34 [Zakim]: +dom
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15:02:46 [DKA]: zakim, who's here?
15:02:46 [Zakim]: On the phone I see jo, Francois, DKA, dom
15:02:47 [Zakim]: On IRC I see DKA, cgi-irc, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, francois, dom, trackbot
15:02:54 [dom]: zakim, mute me
15:02:54 [Zakim]: dom should now be muted
15:02:57 [DKA]: Hi all!
15:02:58 [Zakim]: +Andrei
15:03:09 [DKA]: Ahem... Hello Mobile Web Fans!
15:03:12 [miguel]: miguel has joined #bpwg
15:03:23 [Zakim]: +??P31
15:03:28 [dom]: zakim, Andrei is really Adam
15:03:29 [Zakim]: +Adam; got it
15:03:32 [yeliz]: zakim, ??P31 is yeliz
15:03:35 [Zakim]: +yeliz; got it
15:03:41 [DKA]: I am happy to scribe today.
15:03:50 [DKA]: Scribe: Dan
15:03:53 [yeliz]: zakim, mute yeliz
15:03:53 [Zakim]: yeliz should now be muted
15:03:54 [DKA]: ScribeNick: DKA
15:04:39 [DKA]: Topic: Korea poll
15:04:41 [Zakim]: +[W3C-Spain]
15:04:58 [jo]: -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/BPWG-F2F-Seoul-2009/ Seoul Poll
15:05:26 [SeanP]: SeanP has joined #bpwg
15:05:36 [DKA]: Jo: What do people think?
15:06:19 [dom]: DKA: I'm a bit worried of organizing a long-haul travel for that F2F
15:06:26 [dom]: ... getting a lot pressure on reducing travel cost
15:06:51 [Zakim]: +SeanP
15:06:52 [dom]: ... maybe we could revisit that plan
15:07:08 [DKA]: Dan: I'm worried about the wisdom of organizing a long-haul f2f. Positive about the idea and I feel it would be very valuable I am worried about it.
15:07:19 [DKA]: Jo: Suggest we reopen the poll.
15:07:33 [DKA]: Jo: We haven't had a full response so let's encourage people to do this for next week.
15:07:47 [DKA]: ACTION: Dan to encourage people to answer the poll.
15:07:48 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-882 - Encourage people to answer the poll. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2008-11-20].
15:07:49 [dom]: [I would also suggest revisiting that decision]
15:07:59 [dom]: ack me
15:08:03 [DKA]: Jo: What do you mean?
15:08:35 [jo]: s/What/Dom what/
15:08:46 [dom]: zakim, mute me
15:08:46 [Zakim]: dom should now be muted
15:08:47 [DKA]: Dom: Having a f2f meeting in Korea might be problematic for many people to participate. It would be good explain this...
15:09:23 [DKA]: Topic: mobileOK Basic Tests in PR
15:09:27 [DKA]: Jo: Anything to report?
15:09:44 [DKA]: Francois: nothing to report - things going as smooth as possible. We received a few strongly supporting comments from AC.
15:09:50 [dom]: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/mobileOK-basic10-tests/
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15:09:59 [DKA]: Jo: Let's make sure everyone has expressed support.
15:10:14 [DKA]: Topic: ETSI
15:10:15 [dom]: q+ DKA
15:10:22 [dom]: ack dka
15:10:44 [DKA]: q-
15:11:00 [DKA]: Jo: Let's move on.
15:11:03 [yeliz]: zakim, unmute yeliz
15:11:03 [Zakim]: yeliz should no longer be muted
15:11:07 [DKA]: Topic: Update on Mobile Accessibility
15:11:27 [DKA]: Yeliz: not much to report. No update on the document. Not sure about the progress of the main technical document.
15:12:13 [DKA]: ACTION: Yeliz to take an action to talk to Alan and report back to group on status of technical doc.
15:12:14 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-883 - Take an action to talk to Alan and report back to group on status of technical doc. [on Yeliz Yesilada - due 2008-11-20].
15:12:31 [DKA]: Topic: BP 1.5
15:12:31 [yeliz]: zakim, mute yeliz
15:12:31 [Zakim]: yeliz should now be muted
15:12:37 [dom]: ack me
15:12:38 [DKA]: Jo: anything to say here?
15:13:02 [DKA]: Dom: Didn't Kai ask for specific approval of the new proposed structure?
15:13:18 [DKA]: Jo: Maybe we can take that resolution.
15:13:39 [jo]: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Kai please go ahead per the discussions under ACTION-871 and ACTION-872
15:14:04 [DKA]: Dom: He was asking if we wanted to go ahead with the new format for BP 1.5.
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15:14:24 [Zakim]: +abel
15:14:25 [DKA]: Dom: I think he wanted more detail than that.
15:15:02 [jo]: ACTION: Jo to ask Kai to summarise ACTION-871 and ACTGION-872 threads so we can take a resolution on it
15:15:04 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-884 - Ask Kai to summarise ACTION-871 and ACTGION-872 threads so we can take a resolution on it [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-11-20].
15:15:17 [dom]: zakim, mute me
15:15:17 [Zakim]: dom should now be muted
15:15:20 [DKA]: Topic: MobileOK Scheme
15:15:23 [DKA]: Jo: A draft today on that.
15:15:25 [Zakim]: -abel
15:15:46 [DKA]: Jo: I proposed a resolution earlier today. There are more changes in the works to the draft.
15:15:50 [jo]: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/mobileOK-Trustmark/latest tomorrow's draft of mobileOK Scheme
15:16:20 [DKA]: Jo: What we've got now is better than what's there right now.
15:16:21 [DKA]: +1
15:16:28 [francois]: +1 to publish the new draft
15:16:33 [DKA]: no
15:16:39 [Zakim]: +abel
15:16:40 [DKA]: Jo: Any views - should we delay?
15:17:18 [jo]: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG requests prublication of the mobileOK Scheme Dated 14 Nov 2008 as a Group Working Draft
15:17:26 [dom]: ack me
15:17:43 [DKA]: Dom: For clarification this would mean this is not the final document just another working version.
15:18:05 [DKA]: Jo: Yes because we don't have a link to the license version. I wish it could be the final version.
15:18:10 [dom]: +1 on new WD
15:18:16 [jo]: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG requests publication of the mobileOK Scheme Dated 14 Nov 2008 as a Group Working Draft
15:18:16 [DKA]: +1 on the resolution
15:18:16 [jsmanrique]: +1
15:18:18 [dom]: zakim, mute me
15:18:18 [Zakim]: dom should now be muted
15:18:19 [francois]: +1
15:18:21 [adam]: +1
15:18:23 [yeliz]: +1
15:18:23 [DKA]: Jo: Any objections?
15:18:32 [DKA]: DKA: +1 on the resolution
15:18:33 [DKA]: jsmanrique: +1
15:18:33 [DKA]: dom: zakim, mute me
15:18:33 [DKA]: Zakim: dom should now be muted
15:18:33 [DKA]: francois: +1
15:18:33 [DKA]: adam: +1
15:18:35 [DKA]: yeliz: +1
15:18:37 [DKA]: DKA: Jo: Any objections?
15:18:54 [PhilA]: :-)
15:19:07 [DKA]: RESOLUTION: BPWG requests publication of the mobileOK Scheme Dated 14 Nov 2008 as a Group working draft
15:19:27 [DKA]: Jo: Yay!
15:19:34 [PhilA]: double yay!
15:19:49 [DKA]: Topic: Content Transformation
15:19:51 [DKA]: Jo: Francois?
15:20:04 [DKA]: Francois: there's a new draft in town
15:20:20 [DKA]: Francois: New draft includes all the changes we made due to last call comments.
15:20:25 [PhilA]: PhilA has left #bpwg
15:20:31 [DKA]: Francois: Some comments in already.
15:20:34 [jo]: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/081107 New draft of CT
15:20:59 [DKA]: Francois: New invited expert - Edwardo - he has sent constructive comments.
15:21:06 [jsmanrique]: Zakim: abel is manrique
15:21:12 [yeliz]: zakim, mute yeliz
15:21:12 [Zakim]: yeliz was already muted, yeliz
15:21:16 [dom]: s/Edwardo/Eduardo/
15:21:47 [DKA]: Jo: So a few things to tidy up. But very little left open. Moderately positive about getting through all of these within next couple of weeks.
15:22:37 [DKA]: Jo: We've got a big hole in https where we need further clarification and have had no replies yet.
15:23:14 [DKA]: Francois: I sent an email to the IETF mailing list and didn't get any replies. I think that probably it also means there's not much more information that we're missing. I don't think we should worry too much.
15:23:26 [DKA]: Jo: Questions / comments?
15:23:55 [DKA]: Dan: Will CT be one of the documents released before end-of-year?
15:24:02 [DKA]: Jo: I'd like it to be.
15:24:04 [dom]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2008AprJun/0066.html publication moratorium for the end of year
15:24:11 [DKA]: Francois: Yes but not sure it can be last call working draft.
15:24:17 [DKA]: Jo: Be positive!
15:24:31 [DKA]: Topic: BP2
15:25:10 [DKA]: Adam: Not much progress this and next week - after that things should pick up. Completed draft before meeting after next.
15:25:41 [DKA]: Jo: Looking at the timings, there's a publication moritorium before the end of the year - we should aim to have another public draft before that.
15:25:43 [DKA]: Adam: yes.
15:27:18 [DKA]: Dan: Should we consider mobile ajax styleguide from OAA?
15:27:31 [DKA]: http://www.openajax.org/member/wiki/Mobile_Device_APIs_Style_Guide
15:27:39 [DKA]: Adam: I will review.
15:27:46 [dom]: [I think this is for developing APIs, rather than developing content]
15:27:46 [DKA]: Topic: Issues & Actions
15:27:53 [jo]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open
15:28:12 [DKA]: Yes but we should still review and see if there's anything relevant to bp2.
15:28:24 [dom]: zakim, mute yeliz
15:28:24 [Zakim]: yeliz was already muted, dom
15:28:27 [DKA]: ACTION-694?
15:28:27 [trackbot]: ACTION-694 -- Scott Hughes to review apple document and summarise the parts that might be applicable to BP2 -- due 2008-07-29 -- OPEN
15:28:27 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694
15:29:17 [dom]: ack me
15:29:20 [DKA]: Jo: Scott member of the group?
15:29:31 [DKA]: Dan: Scott has had his time pulled away from the group unfortunately.
15:29:38 [DKA]: Jo: Can we transfer this action to someone else please?
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15:30:20 [DKA]: Dan: Please assign the action back to me and I will chase Scott.
15:30:31 [dom]: ACTION-694?
15:30:31 [trackbot]: ACTION-694 -- Daniel Appelquist to review apple document and summarise the parts that might be applicable to BP2 -- due 2008-11-20 -- OPEN
15:30:31 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694
15:30:54 [DKA]: ACTION-697?
15:30:54 [trackbot]: ACTION-697 -- Daniel Appelquist to summarize the points he can glean from examination of the frost library -- due 2008-09-10 -- OPEN
15:30:54 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/697
15:31:09 [DKA]: Dan: summarizes points as follows:
15:31:13 [DKA]: Dan: no points.
15:31:29 [jo]: CLOSE ACTION-697
15:31:30 [trackbot]: ACTION-697 Summarize the points he can glean from examination of the frost library closed
15:31:37 [DKA]: ACTION-710?
15:31:37 [trackbot]: ACTION-710 -- François Daoust to test the Effect of HEAD Requests on Various Servers -- due 2008-07-16 -- OPEN
15:31:37 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/710
15:32:16 [DKA]: Francois: I did this - should I send a public report.
15:32:27 [DKA]: Dan: I think so - just for posterity's sake.
15:32:36 [DKA]: Francois: I will send as an email.
15:32:54 [DKA]: ACTION-711?
15:32:54 [trackbot]: ACTION-711 -- Soonho Lee to provide Feedback on Content Transformation Document -- due 2008-07-10 -- OPEN
15:32:54 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/711
15:33:07 [DKA]: CLOSE ACTION-711
15:33:07 [trackbot]: ACTION-711 Provide Feedback on Content Transformation Document closed
15:33:15 [DKA]: ACTION-721?
15:33:15 [trackbot]: ACTION-721 -- François Daoust to prepare a report's form to fill to test Aaron static/dynamic example -- due 2008-08-14 -- OPEN
15:33:15 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/721
15:33:55 [DKA]: Francois: A long time ago, Aaron sent a couple of tests comparing static web page with dynamicly assembling the page. I haven't done this.
15:34:07 [DKA]: Francois: I think it's still a good idea.
15:34:16 [DKA]: ACTION-730?
15:34:16 [trackbot]: ACTION-730 -- François Daoust to work with jo to figure out the details of a workshop on Content Transformation -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN
15:34:16 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/730
15:34:34 [DKA]: Jo: Postpone this until February ok?
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15:34:58 [DKA]: Jo: I will move it to February the 20th of next year.
15:35:22 [DKA]: ACTION-783?
15:35:22 [trackbot]: ACTION-783 -- Daniel Appelquist to come up with alternative phrasing for Web 2.0 -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN
15:35:22 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/783
15:35:34 [DKA]: The whole general thingy you know?
15:35:41 [dom]: ack me
15:36:15 [DKA]: Dom: the MWABP talks about Web 2.0 and this action was to find a better phrasing.
15:36:16 [Zakim]: + +1.585.278.aaaa
15:36:31 [dom]: zakim, mute me
15:36:31 [Zakim]: dom should now be muted
15:36:31 [jeffs]: zakim, aaaa is jeffs
15:36:32 [Zakim]: +jeffs; got it
15:36:33 [DKA]: Jo: I vote for leaving it as is.
15:37:04 [dom]: "Readers of this document are expected to be familiar with the creation of Web applications, and to have a general familiarity with the technologies involved, such as Web servers, HTTP, and Web 2.0."
15:37:11 [dom]: in http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20081008#audience
15:37:49 [DKA]: http://www.w3.org/TR/mwabp/#audience
15:39:12 [DKA]: Adam: I will take it on - please close it.
15:39:23 [DKA]: ACTION-787?
15:39:24 [trackbot]: ACTION-787 -- Scott Hughes to draft text re power efficiency -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN
15:39:24 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/787
15:39:56 [DKA]: Dan: I will chase Scott.
15:40:28 [DKA]: ACTION-788
15:40:30 [DKA]: ACTION-788?
15:40:30 [trackbot]: ACTION-788 -- Daniel Appelquist to communicate with OpenAjax Alliance about the backlighting issue and null gestures -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN
15:40:30 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/788
15:41:30 [DKA]: Dan: I contacted OAA but didn't received a response yet.
15:41:43 [DKA]: Jo: We will re-action you to get a response [edits action]
15:41:57 [DKA]: ACTION-789?
15:41:57 [trackbot]: ACTION-789 -- Scott Hughes to propose text for different interaction modes in discussion with Adam -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN
15:41:57 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/789
15:42:21 [jo]: Close ACTION-789
15:42:21 [trackbot]: ACTION-789 Propose text for different interaction modes in discussion with Adam closed
15:42:24 [DKA]: Adam: This turns into a section of BP2.
15:42:33 [DKA]: ACTION-791?
15:42:33 [trackbot]: ACTION-791 -- Daniel Appelquist to draft some text on WICD -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN
15:42:33 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/791
15:42:54 [jo]: Close ACTION-791
15:42:54 [trackbot]: ACTION-791 Draft some text on WICD closed
15:43:05 [DKA]: ACTION-794?
15:43:05 [trackbot]: ACTION-794 -- Adam Connors to lead off discussion on ISSUE-265 following completion of next draft BP2 -- due 2008-07-17 -- OPEN
15:43:05 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/794
15:43:11 [DKA]: ISSUE-265?
15:43:11 [trackbot]: ISSUE-265 -- Discussion of Jonathan's Submission ref separation of structure presentation and behavior at http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhpvgnmn_54d7cbhrhn -- OPEN
15:43:11 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/265
15:43:30 [DKA]: Jo: Adam?
15:43:52 [DKA]: Adam: Have not completed response - leave open.
15:43:53 [dom]: zakim, who's making noise?
15:43:55 [DKA]: ACTION-796?
15:43:59 [trackbot]: ACTION-796 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact BBC to see if they can make their mobile web site mobileOK -- due 2008-06-25 -- OPEN
15:43:59 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/796
15:44:04 [Zakim]: dom, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jsmanrique (38%), jo (39%), DKA (50%), Adam (4%)
15:44:26 [DKA]: ACTION-797?
15:44:27 [trackbot]: ACTION-797 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to check on availability of data about the number of acceptable links in a focus-based browser -- due 2008-09-24 -- OPEN
15:44:27 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/797
15:44:38 [DKA]: Jo: Jeff?
15:45:09 [DKA]: Jeff: I've got a UI colleague looking for prior literature but hasn't found any yet. Think it's worth continuting looking.
15:45:16 [DKA]: Jo: Ok we'll leave it open for now.
15:45:26 [DKA]: ACTION-820?
15:45:26 [trackbot]: ACTION-820 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to look at providing examples for accessibility document -- due 2008-10-01 -- OPEN
15:45:26 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/820
15:46:32 [DKA]: Jeff: In 2 weeks we will pick up after the group look at condensing down WCAG into something usable by mobile developers...
15:46:47 [DKA]: Jo: Let's leave it open for the time being.
15:46:51 [DKA]: ACTION-823?
15:46:52 [trackbot]: ACTION-823 -- Adam Connors to stimulate another round of discussion on what is missing from BP-2 FPWD -- due 2008-08-07 -- OPEN
15:46:52 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/823
15:47:01 [jo]: Close ACTION-823
15:47:01 [trackbot]: ACTION-823 Stimulate another round of discussion on what is missing from BP-2 FPWD closed
15:47:08 [DKA]: ACTION-830?
15:47:10 [trackbot]: ACTION-830 -- Bryan Sullivan to review correspondence with Dennis cf LC-2065 and to draft a) proposed changes to the document and b) a proposed response to Dennis -- due 2008-09-09 -- OPEN
15:47:10 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/830
15:47:16 [DKA]: ACTION-832?
15:47:16 [trackbot]: ACTION-832 -- Sean Patterson to look at what the impact on the document would be if we removed the definitions referred to in LC-2050 -- due 2008-09-08 -- OPEN
15:47:16 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/832
15:48:04 [DKA]: ACTION-846?
15:48:04 [trackbot]: ACTION-846 -- François Daoust to prepare an Implementation Conformance Statement -- due 2008-09-30 -- OPEN
15:48:04 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/846
15:48:24 [DKA]: ACTION-853?
15:48:24 [trackbot]: ACTION-853 -- Adam Connors to re-write 3.1.1 along the lines discussed today. -- due 2008-10-03 -- OPEN
15:48:24 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/853
15:48:45 [DKA]: Adam: That came out of the editorial meeting. it's done.
15:48:52 [jo]: close ACTION-853
15:48:53 [trackbot]: ACTION-853 Re-write 3.1.1 along the lines discussed today. closed
15:49:02 [DKA]: ACTION-855?
15:49:03 [trackbot]: ACTION-855 -- Adam Connors to add an appendix on device info based on Bryan's contribution with a placeholder for additional device capabilities that are implied by the BP2 BPs. -- due 2008-10-03 -- OPEN
15:49:03 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/855
15:49:32 [DKA]: Adam: better leave it open - I'll go through the minutes to clarify.
15:50:05 [DKA]: ACTION-866?
15:50:07 [trackbot]: ACTION-866 -- Jo Rabin to include text referencing resolution to LC-2003 -- due 2008-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:50:07 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/866
15:50:09 [DKA]: ACTION-862?
15:50:09 [trackbot]: ACTION-862 -- Adam Connors to send email about issues -- due 2008-10-15 -- OPEN
15:50:09 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/862
15:50:31 [jo]: Close ACTION-862
15:50:31 [trackbot]: ACTION-862 Send email about issues closed
15:50:39 [DKA]: ACTION-867?
15:50:41 [trackbot]: ACTION-867 -- François Daoust to look into an appendix with relevant normative statements of RFC2616 and report back to the group. -- due 2008-10-27 -- OPEN
15:50:41 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/867
15:51:06 [DKA]: ACTION-870?
15:51:06 [trackbot]: ACTION-870 -- Daniel Appelquist to liaise with Seungyun and Jonathan re setting up a call in 4 weeks with a view to having 2 weekly calls in the morning European time -- due 2008-10-28 -- OPEN
15:51:06 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/870
15:51:18 [DKA]: Dan: Not done yet.
15:51:36 [DKA]: ACTION-873?
15:51:41 [trackbot]: ACTION-873 -- Daniel Appelquist to provide some words on conservative use of resources -- due 2008-10-28 -- OPEN
15:51:41 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/873
15:52:09 [DKA]: Adam: this is the plea to help the poor network operators.
15:52:13 [DKA]: Dan: not done.
15:52:16 [DKA]: ACTION-874?
15:52:16 [trackbot]: ACTION-874 -- Adam Connors to refine the wording on graceful degradation trimming and making more explicit the text -- due 2008-10-27 -- OPEN
15:52:16 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/874
15:52:29 [DKA]: Adam: not done yet.
15:52:36 [DKA]: ACTION-876?
15:52:36 [trackbot]: ACTION-876 -- Adam Connors to send to Jeff list of test cases that Jeff can inflict on a grad student. -- due 2008-10-27 -- OPEN
15:52:36 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876
15:53:54 [DKA]: Jeff: The test cases have been received. We have a grad student lined up when we're back from break.
15:53:58 [jeffs]: jeffs has joined #bpwg
15:54:16 [DKA]: Jo: Rest of the open actions were raised today or not overdue yet.
15:54:41 [jo]: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview Pending Review Actions
15:55:03 [francois]: ScribeNick: adam
15:55:17 [adam]: ACTION-762
15:55:26 [adam]: ACTION-762 ?
15:55:26 [trackbot]: ACTION-762 -- Jo Rabin to review ISSUE-250 with a view to how this affects content of mobileOK scheme -- due 2008-05-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:55:26 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/762
15:55:45 [adam]: jo: going to close this one, I've done my bit.
15:55:53 [jo]: Close ACTION-762
15:55:53 [trackbot]: ACTION-762 Review ISSUE-250 with a view to how this affects content of mobileOK scheme closed
15:56:02 [adam]: ACTION-786 ?
15:56:02 [trackbot]: ACTION-786 -- Jo Rabin to draft wording for an appendix that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are different in the mobile ecosystem. -- due 2008-06-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:56:02 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786
15:56:32 [adam]: ACTION 790 ?
15:56:32 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - 790
15:56:39 [adam]: ACTION-790 ?
15:56:39 [trackbot]: ACTION-790 -- Alan Chuter to produce some text around accessibility of Javascript for Web Application Best Practices -- due 2008-07-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:56:39 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/790
15:56:42 [adam]: ACTION-792 ?
15:56:42 [trackbot]: ACTION-792 -- Abel Rionda to propose some text on SVG -- due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:56:42 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792
15:56:45 [dom]: q+
15:56:47 [dom]: ack me
15:57:05 [dom]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0090.html
15:57:47 [adam]: ACTION-842 ?
15:57:47 [trackbot]: ACTION-842 -- François Daoust to get back to aaron from google to see if he can get some stats for us -- due 2008-10-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:57:47 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/842
15:57:50 [DKA]: Scribe: Dan
15:57:51 [jo]: Close ACtion-842
15:57:51 [trackbot]: ACTION-842 Get back to aaron from google to see if he can get some stats for us closed
15:57:54 [DKA]: ScribeNick: DKA
15:58:00 [DKA]: ACTION-843?
15:58:00 [trackbot]: ACTION-843 -- Jo Rabin to see if he can come up with wording on this section that might accommodate everyone -- due 2008-09-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:58:00 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/843
15:58:05 [DKA]: ACTION-844?
15:58:06 [trackbot]: ACTION-844 -- Adam Connors to raise ISSUEs based on Bryan's comments -- due 2008-09-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:58:06 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/844
15:58:14 [jo]: close action-844
15:58:14 [trackbot]: ACTION-844 Raise ISSUEs based on Bryan's comments closed
15:58:47 [DKA]: ACTION-863?
15:58:47 [trackbot]: ACTION-863 -- Jo Rabin to reword following WSC WG feedback on proposed changes to mobileOK Basic -- due 2008-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:58:47 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/863
15:58:53 [DKA]: Jo: that's done.
15:59:00 [jo]: close ACTION-863
15:59:00 [trackbot]: ACTION-863 Reword following WSC WG feedback on proposed changes to mobileOK Basic closed
15:59:52 [DKA]: ACTION-871?
15:59:52 [trackbot]: ACTION-871 -- Jo Rabin to work with Kai on clarifying purpose text of bp 1.5 -- due 2008-10-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:59:52 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/871
16:00:01 [DKA]: ACTION-872?
16:00:01 [trackbot]: ACTION-872 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to work on reformulating 4 "tests" of BP 1.5 -- due 2008-10-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:00:01 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/872
16:00:07 [jo]: Close Action-872
16:00:07 [trackbot]: ACTION-872 Work on reformulating 4 "tests" of BP 1.5 closed
16:00:08 [DKA]: Jo: both 871 and 872 are done.
16:00:22 [jo]: close action-871
16:00:22 [trackbot]: ACTION-871 Work with Kai on clarifying purpose text of bp 1.5 closed
16:00:32 [DKA]: ACTION-875?
16:00:32 [trackbot]: ACTION-875 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to scope current draft and see what aspects may be of interest to us. -- due 2008-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:00:32 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/875
16:00:41 [yeliz_]: yeliz_ has joined #bpwg
16:00:55 [DKA]: Jo: We'll come back to ETSI review in a second.
16:01:12 [DKA]: ACTION-876?
16:01:12 [trackbot]: ACTION-876 -- Adam Connors to send to Jeff list of test cases that Jeff can inflict on a grad student. -- due 2008-10-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:01:12 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876
16:01:46 [DKA]: ACTION-877?
16:01:46 [trackbot]: ACTION-877 -- François Daoust to create a poll on Alan's document once it's published as an updated working draft with a review period of 4 weeks -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
16:01:46 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/877
16:02:00 [DKA]: ACTION-878?
16:02:00 [trackbot]: ACTION-878 -- François Daoust to create a poll on having f2f in seoul on week of February 2nd -- due 2008-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:02:00 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/878
16:02:07 [DKA]: Jo: That's done.
16:02:10 [jo]: close action-878
16:02:10 [trackbot]: ACTION-878 Create a poll on having f2f in seoul on week of February 2nd closed
16:02:25 [DKA]: Jo: Stupendous!
16:02:41 [DKA]: Topic: Issues Pending Review
16:02:53 [jo]: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/pendingreview Issues Pending Review
16:02:54 [DKA]: [silence]
16:03:22 [jo]: ISSUE-256?
16:03:22 [trackbot]: ISSUE-256 -- Call for 10 mobileOK sites -- RAISED
16:03:22 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/256
16:03:23 [DKA]: ISSUE-256?
16:03:23 [trackbot]: ISSUE-256 -- Call for 10 mobileOK sites -- RAISED
16:03:23 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/256
16:03:30 [DKA]: Jo: It's done right?
16:03:40 [jo]: Close ISSUE-256
16:03:52 [DKA]: +1 to closing
16:04:12 [DKA]: ISSUE-267?
16:04:12 [trackbot]: ISSUE-267 -- Respond to ETSI liaison -- RAISED
16:04:12 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/267
16:04:26 [DKA]: Jo: that's closed - it was the other liaison.
16:04:43 [DKA]: ISSUE-269?
16:04:44 [trackbot]: ISSUE-269 -- Need clarity on the meaning of a mobileOK Claim, Basic Tests or not? -- RAISED
16:04:44 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/269
16:04:52 [DKA]: Jo: That's done afaic
16:04:58 [DKA]: ISSUE-273?
16:04:59 [trackbot]: ISSUE-273 -- Is the mobileOK Pro Tests document supposed to be an addendum to the Best Practices document or to the Basic Tests document? -- RAISED
16:04:59 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/273
16:05:13 [DKA]: Jo: The answer is both.
16:05:32 [dom]: ack me
16:06:42 [jo]: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ref ISSUE-273 the answer is both per AVTION-871 and ACTION-872
16:06:50 [jeffs]: +1
16:06:56 [jo]: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ref ISSUE-273 the answer is both per ACTION-871 and ACTION-872
16:06:59 [DKA]: +1 and stuff
16:07:09 [DKA]: RESOLUTION: ref ISSUE-273 the answer is both per ACTION-871 and ACTION-872
16:07:15 [DKA]: ISSUE-276?
16:07:15 [trackbot]: ISSUE-276 -- 3.1.1 Retain Personalization Information -- RAISED
16:07:15 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/276
16:07:39 [DKA]: Adam: This has been rewritten so this should be closed.
16:07:43 [DKA]: ISSUE-282?
16:07:43 [trackbot]: ISSUE-282 -- What to do about the "together" section in the accessibility doc? Remove it? Expand it? -- RAISED
16:07:43 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/282
16:07:53 [DKA]: Jo: This is a moot point.
16:07:59 [DKA]: Jo: So close.
16:08:05 [dom]: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/pendingreview no pending review issues!
16:08:13 [DKA]: Topic: Open Issues
16:08:36 [jsmanrique]: :-)
16:08:39 [jo]: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open Open Issues
16:08:57 [DKA]: ISSUE-116?
16:08:57 [trackbot]: ISSUE-116 -- Thematic Consistency checking -- OPEN
16:08:57 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/116
16:09:42 [DKA]: Jo: It's no longer relevant. Objections to closing?
16:09:54 [DKA]: [no objections]
16:10:01 [DKA]: ISSUE-188?
16:10:02 [trackbot]: ISSUE-188 -- Should THEMATIC_CONSISTENCY be clarified? -- OPEN
16:10:02 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/188
16:10:13 [achuter]: achuter has joined #bpwg
16:10:18 [jeffs]: kill
16:10:22 [DKA]: Jo: From march 2007. I suggest we close this as well. Objections?
16:10:26 [DKA]: [none]
16:10:31 [DKA]: Jo: It's closed.
16:10:37 [DKA]: ISSUE-248?
16:10:37 [trackbot]: ISSUE-248 -- Can mobile device browsers make use of microformats? -- OPEN
16:10:37 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/248
16:10:44 [DKA]: Jo: Should we keep this open?
16:10:50 [DKA]: Dan: Close it.
16:11:20 [DKA]: Jo: Ok we'll kill it.
16:12:03 [DKA]: ISSUE-262?
16:12:03 [trackbot]: ISSUE-262 -- Discuss the option to offer choices of presentation as a best practices for mobile web apps -- OPEN
16:12:03 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/262
16:12:59 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
16:13:12 [achuter]: zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
16:13:12 [Zakim]: sorry, achuter, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
16:13:22 [achuter]: zakim, IPcaller is me
16:13:22 [Zakim]: +achuter; got it
16:13:28 [DKA]: Jo: Who would like to volunteer some text as choices of representation as a bp of mwabp.
16:13:35 [DKA]: Jo: Anybody?
16:14:21 [DKA]: Jo: I'd like to offer following as proposed text I prepared earlier.
16:14:40 [jo]: http://mobiforge.com/designing/story/a-very-modern-mobile-switching-algorithm-part-i
16:15:20 [DKA]: Jo: let's leave this open for the time being.
16:15:28 [jeffs]: think I need to read that first
16:15:43 [DKA]: ISSUE-263?
16:15:44 [trackbot]: ISSUE-263 -- How to keep the screen alive (re null gestures) - what to recommend? -- OPEN
16:15:44 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/263
16:16:39 [DKA]: ISSUE-264?
16:16:39 [trackbot]: ISSUE-264 -- How to rephrase progressive enhancement to make it fit as a BP? -- OPEN
16:16:39 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/264
16:16:56 [jeffs]: go for the rewite
16:16:58 [DKA]: Adam: this is a conversation we had at last f2f - lots of good actions which are still being written up.
16:17:24 [DKA]: ISSUE-268?
16:17:25 [trackbot]: ISSUE-268 -- Test cases to illustrate mobile web application best practices -- OPEN
16:17:25 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/268
16:17:39 [jeffs]: useful
16:17:43 [DKA]: ISSUE-271?
16:17:43 [trackbot]: ISSUE-271 -- Next steps on the conversion of mobileOK Pro to the Addendum to BP 1.0 -- OPEN
16:17:43 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/271
16:17:48 [DKA]: Jo: Can we close this one?
16:17:52 [jeffs]: kill it
16:18:02 [DKA]: Jo: OK close it.
16:18:07 [DKA]: ISSUE-272?
16:18:11 [trackbot]: ISSUE-272 -- What is the new name of document, currently called "mobileOK Pro Tests Version 1", which is supposed to be an addendum to the Best Practices document, to be? -- OPEN
16:18:11 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/272
16:18:18 [DKA]: Jo: We can close that one.
16:18:23 [DKA]: ISSUE-274
16:18:27 [DKA]: ISSUE-274?
16:18:28 [trackbot]: ISSUE-274 -- Which texts are missing from the addendum that are needed to turn it into an addendum? -- OPEN
16:18:28 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/274
16:18:47 [achuter]: akim, mute me
16:18:51 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
16:18:51 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
16:19:06 [DKA]: Jo: I think we can close this issue.
16:19:13 [jeffs]: kill
16:19:19 [DKA]: Jo: Any objections?
16:19:20 [DKA]: [none]
16:19:26 [DKA]: Jo: Let's close.
16:19:27 [DKA]: ISSUE-275?
16:19:27 [trackbot]: ISSUE-275 -- 4.2.1 Protect Personal Information -- OPEN
16:19:27 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/275
16:19:36 [DKA]: Adam: I rewrote this so it's done.
16:19:40 [DKA]: Jo: Close then.
16:19:48 [DKA]: [278 and 279 as well]
16:19:52 [dom]: q+
16:19:53 [dom]: ack me
16:19:57 [DKA]: Jo: Ok everybodee!
16:20:10 [DKA]: Dom: On ISSUE-279, I think that Bryan has an open action it.
16:20:22 [DKA]: Adam: yes - well spoted.
16:20:43 [DKA]: Jo: So leave ISSUE-279 open [but close ISSUE-278]
16:20:48 [jo]: Topic: Review of Jeff's ACTION-875 on ETSI Review
16:21:16 [jo]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Oct/0031.html Jeff's comments
16:21:23 [jo]: ACTION-875?
16:21:23 [trackbot]: ACTION-875 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to scope current draft and see what aspects may be of interest to us. -- due 2008-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:21:23 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/875
16:21:34 [DKA]: Jo: Take it away Jeff!
16:22:47 [Zakim]: -achuter
16:23:23 [DKA]: Jeff: Basically the document refered to from ETSI is really something that refers to another quite a bit thicker document. Have sent out email with liittle response. Before I go into this document I want to get steer from the group. Some of the sections seem releavnt. Have sent email.
16:24:01 [DKA]: Jo: I think these documents are not review for very much longer.
16:24:21 [DKA]: Jeff: Reality check - I raised 2 issues - do you want me to address both of them in my response?
16:24:37 [DKA]: Jo: That's fine.
16:25:21 [jo]: ACTION: Jeff to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875
16:25:21 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeff
16:25:22 [Zakim]: -SeanP
16:25:35 [jo]: ACTION: Jeffs to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875
16:25:35 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeffs
16:25:51 [jo]: ACTION: sonstein to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875
16:25:51 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-885 - Draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [on Jeffrey Sonstein - due 2008-11-20].
16:26:21 [Zakim]: +SeanP
16:26:23 [DKA]: Jo: Thanks for that Jeff.
16:27:00 [jo]: Topic: AOB
16:27:34 [DKA]: What do you call a problem like Luca?
16:27:49 [Zakim]: -dom
16:27:51 [Zakim]: -SeanP
16:27:52 [Zakim]: -Francois
16:27:53 [DKA]: s/Luca/uh.. best practices/
16:27:57 [Zakim]: -Adam
16:27:58 [Zakim]: -jo
16:28:00 [Zakim]: -yeliz
16:28:02 [Zakim]: -miguel
16:28:04 [Zakim]: -DKA
16:28:04 [miguel]: miguel has left #bpwg
16:28:07 [Zakim]: -jeffs
16:28:09 [Zakim]: -jsmanrique
16:28:10 [Zakim]: MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
16:28:12 [Zakim]: Attendees were jo, Francois, DKA, dom, Adam, yeliz, miguel, SeanP, jsmanrique, +1.585.278.aaaa, jeffs, achuter
16:28:15 [jeffs]: DKA, you there???
16:28:21 [DKA]: That was a brilliant minimalist art piece. you just didn't get it.
16:28:44 [DKA]: Still here.
16:29:03 [jeffs]: ??
16:29:12 [francois]: RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:29:12 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html francois