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15:45:25 <shadi> zakim, this will be bad
15:45:25 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
15:50:14 <shadi> meeting: BAD TF
15:50:43 <shadi> chair: Shadi
15:50:46 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2008Nov/0002.html
15:51:14 <shadi> agenda+ WCAG 2.0 Evaluation
15:51:54 <shadi> agenda+ Demo Markup and Styling
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15:53:04 <shadi> agenda+ Broken CSS on the Articles Page
15:53:09 <Tom> Tom has joined #badtf
15:53:28 <shadi> agenda+ Proposal for Demo Navigation
15:53:58 <shadi> agenda+ Next Steps to Pursue
15:54:05 <shadi> agenda+ Next Meetings
15:54:10 <shadi> agenda?
15:57:09 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has now started
15:57:11 <Zakim> + +03130239aaaa
15:57:57 <shadi> regrets: Sylvie
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15:58:42 <jspoorta> zakim, aaaa is jspoorta
15:58:42 <Zakim> +jspoorta; got it
15:59:26 <Tom> not getting phone passcode to work, will keep trying
15:59:57 <shadi> zakim, code?
15:59:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 22383 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
15:59:57 <Eric> same here
16:00:15 <Zakim> +Shadi
16:00:16 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:00:18 <Zakim> +Shadi
16:00:38 <Zakim> + +49.173.673.aabb
16:00:48 <Eric> Zakim, aabb is me
16:00:48 <Zakim> +Eric; got it
16:01:01 <Zakim> + +1.714.968.aacc
16:01:05 <Michael> Michael has joined #badtf
16:01:27 <Zakim> + +49.201.750.0.aadd
16:02:38 <shadi> shadi has changed the topic to: Passcode: 22383
16:02:52 <shadi> zakim, who is on the call?
16:02:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see jspoorta, Shadi, Eric, +1.714.968.aacc, +49.201.750.0.aadd
16:03:05 <shadi> zakim, aacc is Tom
16:03:06 <Zakim> +Michael
16:03:13 <Zakim> +Tom; got it
16:03:27 <shadi> zakim, aadd is Maik
16:03:38 <Zakim> +Maik; got it
16:03:46 <shadi> zakim, who is on the call?
16:03:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see jspoorta, Shadi, Eric, Tom, Maik, Michael
16:04:38 <shadi> agenda?
16:05:47 <shadi> zakim, select a victim
16:05:47 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose jspoorta
16:06:28 <shadi> scribe: jspoorta
16:07:23 <Michael> michael proposes to set up a list for scribes to be prepared next time
16:07:56 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:07:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "WCAG 2.0 Evaluation" taken up [from shadi]
16:09:37 <jspoorta> shadi: are we missing anything from WCAG 2.0?
16:10:10 <jspoorta> shadi: specifically the after pages.
16:10:29 <Michael> zakim,  mute me
16:10:29 <Zakim> Michael should now be muted
16:12:55 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/after/
16:13:04 <jspoorta> shadi: we need an evaluation of it
16:14:40 <jspoorta> Tom: what does it need to cover: sufficient techniques or all success criteria?
16:16:20 <shadi> action: Tom to evaluate after pages against WCAG 2.0 by 24 November
16:16:36 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:16:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Demo Markup and Styling" taken up [from shadi]
16:17:42 <jspoorta> shadi: Eris' conclusion: markup needs optimisation
16:18:11 <Michael> Zakim, unmute me
16:18:11 <Zakim> Michael should no longer be muted
16:19:04 <jspoorta> Michael: after code should be best possible
16:19:37 <jspoorta> Michael: visual layout should be the same
16:21:53 <jspoorta> Tom: nervous about demonstrating bad practice
16:23:19 <jspoorta> Eric: change of design is a lot of work
16:24:01 <shadi> s/Eric/Maik
16:26:47 <shadi> action: Eric to provide a sample after page with optimized code
16:27:13 <Michael> q+
16:28:04 <shadi> ack m
16:30:17 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:30:17 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Broken CSS on the Articles Page" taken up [from shadi]
16:30:52 <shadi> agenda+ Icon/Markup Annotated Pages
16:31:15 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/before/info
16:32:57 <jspoorta> shadi: should Broken CSS on Articles Page be dropped?
16:33:27 <jspoorta> Michael: maybe too unrealistic as it is now
16:35:01 <Michael> q+
16:35:17 <shadi> ack m
16:35:40 <jspoorta> Maik: is the link between bad CSS + markup and broken CSS communicated?
16:36:28 <Eric> s/Maik/Eric/
16:39:52 <shadi> Reading order is distorted without style sheets - see Page Structure in the Evaluation Report different format
16:41:15 <jspoorta> Michael: problem with reading order usually appears in headers and floating boxes
16:43:55 <jspoorta> shadi: after pages has priority
16:44:20 <shadi> action: Eric to implement incorrect reading order (but without it breaking on most browsers) on the before "Articles Page"
16:44:37 <shadi> zakim, take up next
16:44:37 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Proposal for Demo Navigation" taken up [from shadi]
16:45:02 <Michael> http://www.wienfluss.net/BAD/BAD.png
16:45:22 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2008Nov/0004.html
16:49:59 <jspoorta> Tom: are the tabs just visual?
16:50:32 <jspoorta> Micheal: maybe ARIA, but keep it simple - markup
16:50:32 <shadi> action: Michael to implement a prototype of the proposed navigation by 24 November
16:50:53 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 7
16:50:54 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Icon/Markup Annotated Pages" taken up [from shadi]
16:53:47 <jspoorta> shadi: both accessible and inaccessible annotation pages?
16:55:30 <shadi> js: where should the icons be placed?
16:57:04 <Michael> q+
16:57:17 <shadi> js: would be images within a link, and with CSS and Javascript text boxes would pup-up
16:57:44 <shadi> ...bottom of the page would have a list with the information about the problem
16:59:19 <shadi> saz: need to code now, the content will come later
17:00:11 <shadi> ms: had some discussion, might summarize on the list
17:01:50 <jspoorta> shadi: Different icons for different problems
17:02:54 <jspoorta> shadi:before: one for real issues, one for warnings; after: one is sufficient
17:03:54 <jspoorta> Eric: after: two icons: information and error corrected
17:05:58 <shadi> action: shadi to recruit somebody to help out with the JavaScript
17:07:02 <shadi> action: jan sjoerd to provide an update for the icon/markup annotation
17:08:06 <shadi> js: should we provide a verbosity setting? like show only A or AA etc.
17:08:24 <shadi> zakim, take up 5
17:08:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up 5', shadi
17:08:31 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 5
17:08:31 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Next Steps to Pursue" taken up [from shadi]
17:08:49 <shadi> action: shadi to chase liam on his action item
17:09:17 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 6
17:09:17 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Next Meetings" taken up [from shadi]
17:09:27 <Zakim> -Tom
17:09:32 <jspoorta> shadi: next meeting on 26th of november 2008
17:09:38 <Zakim> -Maik
17:09:39 <Zakim> -Michael
17:09:41 <Zakim> -Eric
17:09:43 <Zakim> -Shadi
17:09:55 <Zakim> -jspoorta
17:09:56 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
17:09:57 <Zakim> Attendees were +03130239aaaa, jspoorta, Shadi, +49.173.673.aabb, Eric, +1.714.968.aacc, +49.201.750.0.aadd, Michael, Tom, Maik
17:10:45 <shadi> zakim, bye
17:10:45 <Zakim> Zakim has left #badtf
17:10:50 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
17:10:55 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
17:10:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-badtf-minutes.html shadi
17:10:57 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
17:11:01 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
17:11:01 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-badtf-actions.rdf :
17:11:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Tom to evaluate after pages against WCAG 2.0 by 24 November [1]
17:11:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-badtf-irc#T16-16-20
17:11:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric to provide a sample after page with optimized code [2]
17:11:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-badtf-irc#T16-26-47
17:11:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric to implement incorrect reading order (but without it breaking on most browsers) on the before "Articles Page" [3]
17:11:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-badtf-irc#T16-44-20
17:11:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to implement a prototype of the proposed navigation by 24 November [4]
17:11:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-badtf-irc#T16-50-32-1
17:11:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to recruit somebody to help out with the JavaScript [5]
17:11:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-badtf-irc#T17-05-58
17:11:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jan sjoerd to provide an update for the icon/markup annotation [6]
17:11:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-badtf-irc#T17-07-02
17:11:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to chase liam on his action item [7]
17:11:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-badtf-irc#T17-08-49