15:57:54 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #RDB2RDF
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15:58:13 <Ashok> Zakim, this is RDB2RDF
15:58:13 <Zakim> ok, Ashok; that matches INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM
15:58:26 <Ashok> chair: Ashok
15:58:26 <Andre1> Andre1 has joined #RDB2RDF
15:58:44 <Ashok> meeting: RDB2RDF XG Telcon
16:00:48 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
16:01:02 <Zakim> +[IBM_Watson]
16:01:07 <Zakim> +??P4
16:01:56 <lma> lma has joined #RDB2RDF
16:03:20 <Zakim> + +49.322.22.aaaa
16:04:07 <Soeren> Soeren has joined #rdb2rdf
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16:05:39 <Ashok> zakim, who is making noise?
16:05:54 <Zakim> Ashok, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (76%), [IBM_Watson] (4%), +49.322.22.aaaa (57%)
16:06:11 <Zakim> +??P6
16:06:37 <Zakim> +??P7
16:06:38 <Zakim> - +49.322.22.aaaa
16:07:50 <Zakim> + +49.322.22.aabb
16:08:04 <Soeren> aabb is me
16:09:09 <Ashok> scribenick: ssahoo2
16:10:10 <ssahoo2> minutes for F2F (Oct 30, 31) approved
16:10:42 <ssahoo2> no phone call Nov 14, next meeting on Nov 21
16:12:04 <ssahoo2> Ordnance survey use case sent out by Jenny
16:14:01 <ssahoo2> RDF engine benchmarking by Chris Bizer
16:15:12 <Zakim> + +1.512.484.aacc
16:15:54 <ssahoo2> 1.	Introduction  a.	The Problem of Mapping between Relational Data and RDF b.	The Incubator Group Activity (XG) 2.	Mapping Approaches a.	Tools and Generic Solutions b.	Domain-specific Applications 3.	Survey Framework a.	Components of the Survey Framework  4.	Current RDB to RDF Mapping Approaches a.	List of surveyed work 5.	Discussions  a.	RDB2RDF and RDB2OWL 6.	Conclusions 7.	Acknowledgements 8.	Reference List 
16:16:38 <Soeren> Zakim, aabb is me
16:16:38 <Zakim> +Soeren; got it
16:17:01 <juansequeda> juansequeda has joined #RDB2RDF
16:18:13 <Zakim> -??P6
16:18:29 <AxelPolleres> I have prepared some 5 slides to explain the RIF liaison.
16:19:12 <Ashok> Axel's slides http://esw.w3.org/topic/Rdb2RdfXG?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=RIF4RDB2RDF.pdf 
16:19:17 <ssahoo2> Axel presentation on RIF for mapping
16:20:50 <Zakim> +??P6
16:21:25 <ssahoo2> Axel: RIF as common framework for representing rules
16:21:57 <Zakim> - +1.512.484.aacc
16:21:57 <Ashok> zakim, who is making noise?
16:22:06 <AxelPolleres> can the person who joined mute himself?
16:22:08 <Zakim> -??P6
16:22:10 <Zakim> Ashok, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (23%), [IBM_Watson] (19%), ??P4 (33%), Soeren (38%)
16:22:19 <Zakim> -??P4
16:22:34 <Zakim> + +1.512.484.aadd
16:22:40 <AxelPolleres> zakim, who is making noise?
16:22:50 <Zakim> +??P4
16:22:52 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Andrew_Eisenberg (8%), Ashok_Malhotra (7%), [IBM_Watson] (32%)
16:22:54 <Zakim> +??P8
16:22:55 <Zakim> -??P4
16:23:07 <Zakim> -[IBM_Watson]
16:23:08 <juansequeda> I hung up and rejoined and I mute myself
16:23:13 <AxelPolleres> I can't hear anything, still
16:23:18 <AndrewE> zakim, mute me
16:23:18 <Zakim> Andrew_Eisenberg should now be muted
16:23:20 <Zakim> -??P8
16:23:31 <AxelPolleres> Ashok, could it be your phone?
16:23:33 <ssahoo2> I still cant hear anything
16:23:43 <Zakim> +Orri_Erling
16:23:46 <AxelPolleres> or wait, IBM_Watson seems to make the noise
16:23:55 <Zakim> -Orri_Erling
16:23:58 <Soeren> I can not hear anything now either
16:24:00 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute IBM_Watson
16:24:00 <Zakim> sorry, AxelPolleres, I do not know which phone connection belongs to IBM_Watson
16:24:06 <Ashok> zakim, mute lma
16:24:06 <Zakim> sorry, Ashok, I do not know which phone connection belongs to lma
16:24:12 <AndrewE> zakim, mute IBM_Wateson
16:24:12 <Zakim> sorry, AndrewE, I do not know which phone connection belongs to IBM_Wateson
16:24:31 <AndrewE> zakim, mute IBM_Watson
16:24:31 <Zakim> sorry, AndrewE, I do not know which phone connection belongs to IBM_Watson
16:24:35 <Zakim> -??P1
16:24:39 <Ashok> zakim, mute all
16:24:39 <Zakim> sorry, Ashok, I do not know which phone connection belongs to all
16:24:56 <Zakim> +??P1
16:25:04 <Ashok> I'm going to dial back in.
16:25:09 <Zakim> +??P3
16:25:11 <Zakim> - +1.512.484.aadd
16:25:12 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:25:13 <juansequeda> we should all hang up
16:25:13 <Zakim> -??P3
16:25:17 <AxelPolleres> who is +1.512...?
16:25:23 <ssahoo2> I have dialed back
16:25:32 <juansequeda> 512 is me
16:25:41 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
16:25:52 <AxelPolleres> juan, can you tell Zakim and mute yourself?
16:25:57 <Zakim> + +1.512.484.aaee
16:26:13 <juansequeda> zakim, mute me
16:26:13 <Zakim> sorry, juansequeda, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:26:27 <Ashok> Please everyone hang up and redial
16:26:32 <Zakim> -??P1
16:26:34 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
16:26:41 <Zakim> -Soeren
16:26:48 <AndrewE> 61# will mute your phone, 60# will unmute
16:26:51 <Zakim> - +1.512.484.aaee
16:26:53 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:26:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andrew_Eisenberg (muted), Ashok_Malhotra
16:27:00 <AndrewE> zakim, unmute me
16:27:00 <Zakim> Andrew_Eisenberg should no longer be muted
16:27:16 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:27:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andrew_Eisenberg, Ashok_Malhotra
16:27:17 <Zakim> +Soeren
16:27:21 <Zakim> +??P3
16:27:41 <Zakim> + +1.512.484.aaff
16:28:11 <AndrewE> zakim, mute me
16:28:11 <Zakim> Andrew_Eisenberg should now be muted
16:28:46 <Ashok> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:28:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andrew_Eisenberg (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Soeren, ??P3, +1.512.484.aaff
16:29:00 <Zakim> +??P5
16:29:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:29:33 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:29:34 <AndrewE> zakim, unmute me
16:29:34 <Zakim> Andrew_Eisenberg should no longer be muted
16:29:36 <AxelPolleres> same as before.
16:29:45 <Zakim> -??P3
16:29:52 <juansequeda> who was the last one to dial in?
16:29:55 <AndrewE> Axel, it seems to be you that is causing the noise
16:30:05 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
16:30:07 <AxelPolleres> noise gone?
16:30:16 <AndrewE> zakim, mute ??P5
16:30:16 <Zakim> sorry, AndrewE, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??P5
16:30:17 <Zakim> +Orri_Erling
16:30:22 <AxelPolleres> let me try dial in via another number.
16:30:23 <Ashok> No, noise still there
16:30:29 <Zakim> -Orri_Erling
16:30:36 <AxelPolleres> ok, then it was something else...
16:30:51 <AndrewE> zakim, mute ??P5
16:30:51 <Zakim> sorry, AndrewE, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??P5
16:30:52 <Ashok> zakim, whi is making noise?
16:30:53 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Ashok.
16:31:05 <AndrewE> zakim, mute me
16:31:05 <Zakim> Andrew_Eisenberg should now be muted
16:31:06 <Ashok> zakim, who is making noise?
16:31:07 <Zakim> +??P3
16:31:11 <Zakim> -??P3
16:31:20 <ssahoo2> P3 is ssahoo2
16:31:24 <Zakim> Ashok, listening for 16 seconds I could not identify any sounds
16:31:36 <Zakim> -Andrew_Eisenberg
16:31:47 <AxelPolleres> it seems to be a more fundamental problem with the bridge then.
16:32:01 <AxelPolleres> whould we continue via IRC chat at least?
16:32:03 <Zakim> +??P0
16:32:06 <Zakim> - +1.512.484.aaff
16:32:07 <Zakim> -??P0
16:32:42 <Zakim> +Andrew_Eisenberg
16:32:55 <Ashok> I'm thinking we should abandon this call
16:33:00 <Zakim> +??P3
16:33:06 <Zakim> -??P3
16:33:14 <AxelPolleres> +1
16:33:23 <ssahoo2> +1
16:33:26 <AndrewE> zakim, mute IPCaller
16:33:26 <Zakim> sorry, AndrewE, I do not know which phone connection belongs to IPCaller
16:33:36 <AndrewE> +1
16:33:57 <Ashok> Please look at Axel's foils and the document I sent out
16:34:05 <AxelPolleres> shall we postpone the RIF discussion to next time? you migfht want to look at the slides and post opinions per mail
16:34:14 <AxelPolleres> My idea is:
16:34:47 <AxelPolleres> We should put on the charter proposal for a WG that such a WG should define a RIF dialect for describing RDB2RDF mappings.
16:34:53 <Soeren> I somehow do not get what the problem was - I did not hear any noise (besides some breathing)
16:35:02 <Zakim> + +1.512.484.aagg
16:35:07 <AxelPolleres> ... possibly with an own/adapted presentation syntax, but also with a RIF compatible XML syntax.
16:35:20 <Ashok> Soeren, I am hearing a lot of noise.
16:35:35 <AxelPolleres> Soeren, maybe it is your phone then?
16:35:36 <Zakim> +Orri_Erling
16:35:41 <Zakim> -Orri_Erling
16:35:43 <Zakim> -Soeren
16:35:44 <Zakim> - +1.512.484.aagg
16:36:01 <AndrewE> zakim, unmute me
16:36:01 <Zakim> Andrew_Eisenberg was not muted, AndrewE
16:36:04 <ssahoo2> Axel could you please post these points in mail?
16:36:08 <Soeren> I muted myself and zakim also did not report any noise from my line
16:36:09 <AxelPolleres> yes!
16:37:06 <Ashok> Axel, please continue
16:37:18 <Zakim> -Andrew_Eisenberg
16:37:26 <Ashok> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:37:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra
16:38:03 <Ashok> Telcon abandoned due to phone problems.
16:38:04 <Zakim> +Andrew_Eisenberg
16:38:06 <Zakim> -Andrew_Eisenberg
16:38:06 <Zakim> +Andrew_Eisenberg
16:38:24 <Zakim> -Andrew_Eisenberg
16:38:44 <Ashok> zakim, list participants
16:38:44 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Andrew_Eisenberg, Ashok_Malhotra, [IBM_Watson], +49.322.22.aaaa, AxelPolleres, +49.322.22.aabb, +1.512.484.aacc, Soeren, +1.512.484.aadd,
16:38:47 <Zakim> ... Orri_Erling, +1.512.484.aaee, +1.512.484.aaff, [IPcaller], +1.512.484.aagg
16:38:50 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:38:51 <Zakim> INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM has ended
16:38:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Andrew_Eisenberg, Ashok_Malhotra, [IBM_Watson], +49.322.22.aaaa, AxelPolleres, +49.322.22.aabb, +1.512.484.aacc, Soeren, +1.512.484.aadd, Orri_Erling,
16:38:56 <Zakim> ... +1.512.484.aaee, +1.512.484.aaff, [IPcaller], +1.512.484.aagg
16:39:10 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
16:39:26 <Ashok> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:39:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/07-RDB2RDF-minutes.html Ashok
16:41:16 <AxelPolleres> mail sent!
16:41:18 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has left #rdb2rdf
16:41:20 <Zakim> INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM has now started
16:41:26 <Zakim> +??P0
16:41:28 <Zakim> -??P0
16:41:28 <Zakim> INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM has ended
16:41:28 <Zakim> Attendees were