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09:13:43 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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09:13:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
09:13:45 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
09:13:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:13:46 <trackbot> Date: 05 November 2008
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09:25:59 <raphael> Chair: Raphael
09:26:06 <raphael> Regrets: Michael, Silvia
09:26:19 <raphael> :-(
09:26:51 <Yves> if everybody is on irc, I can create a telcon
09:27:09 <raphael> ok, let's wait a bit
09:27:55 <raphael> we wait for Erik, Davy, Vassilis?
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09:28:21 <Zakim> ok, Yves; conference Team_(mediafrag)09:28Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1028Z
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09:30:03 <raphael> Hi guys, there will be a change in the conference code you need to dial
09:30:52 <erik> ok, so we can't get through then?
09:31:18 <jackjansen> Or should we use code CONF1?
09:31:29 <Yves> just use conf1
09:31:32 <Yves> aka 26631
09:31:43 <Zakim> Team_(mediafrag)09:28Z has now started
09:31:51 <Zakim> + +271284aaaa
09:32:31 <Zakim> + +0329331aabb
09:32:39 <Gui> Hello, +27 that's me
09:32:52 <raphael> zakim, +27 is Gui
09:32:52 <Zakim> +Gui; got it
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09:33:18 <Zakim> + +03120592aacc
09:33:29 <davy> zakim, aabb is erik
09:33:29 <Zakim> +erik; got it
09:33:30 <raphael> zakim, +031 is raphael
09:33:30 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
09:33:51 <raphael> zakim, +032 is davy
09:33:51 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+032'
09:34:08 <raphael> zakim, who is here?
09:34:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gui, erik, raphael
09:34:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see mhausenblas, erik, davy, jackjansen, Zakim, RRSAgent, raphael, Gui, Yves, trackbot
09:34:27 <Zakim> + +31.20.616.aadd
09:34:30 <raphael> Michael, the conference code is 26631, change of last minute
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09:34:43 <jackjansen> zakim, aadd is me
09:34:43 <Zakim> +jackjansen; got it
09:35:43 <Zakim> +Yves
09:35:44 <raphael> Present: Raphael, Erik, Yves, Guillaume, Jack, Davy, Michael (irc only)
09:35:58 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:35:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:36:11 <thierry> I can't get into Zakim "conference restricted at this time"
09:36:47 <raphael> Scribe: Davy
09:36:53 <raphael> Scribenick: davy
09:37:51 <Zakim> +Thierry
09:38:02 <davy> topic: telecon hour
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09:39:09 <davy> Yves: propose to have it 1 hour later, but we should ask it to Silvia
09:39:47 <davy> raphael: any problems if it starts 1 hour later?
09:40:06 <mhausenblas> I'm fine with one hour later
09:41:25 <davy> raphael: proposal to start the telecon at 10:00 UTC
09:41:48 <mhausenblas> +1
09:41:52 <erik> +1
09:42:09 <davy> action: yves to make a poll for suggestions for telecon hour: 10:00UTC or 9:30UTC
09:42:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Make a poll for suggestions for telecon hour: 10:00UTC or 9:30UTC [on Yves Lafon - due 2008-11-12].
09:42:45 <erik> q+
09:43:03 <davy> TOPIC: minutes acception
09:43:10 <rtroncy> zakim, ack erik
09:43:10 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
09:44:13 <erik> +1
09:44:19 <Gui> +1
09:45:01 <davy> raphael: any objections for minutes (phoneconf and f2f)
09:45:06 <erik> +1
09:45:23 <mhausenblas> fine with me - no objections
09:45:24 <davy> jackjansen: I did not scribe all day
09:45:55 <davy> raphael: minutes accepted
09:46:30 <davy> raphael: goes through the action items
09:46:42 <davy> topic: second F2F meeting
09:47:35 <davy> raphael: encourages to fill the questionnaire
09:48:19 <rtroncy> michael, please fill http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGF2F2/
09:48:24 <mhausenblas> ok
09:49:07 <davy> erik: please make your arrangement asap (preferable before 8/11/2008)
09:49:28 <davy> raphael: no agenda yet, suggestions are welcome
09:49:41 <Gui> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/GhentLogistic
09:50:29 <davy> TOPIC: preparation of working draft
09:50:48 <davy> 1. Use cases and requirements draft (Silvia)
09:51:20 <davy> raphael: take time to read it and provide some comments
09:51:27 <davy> ... any comments yet?
09:51:56 <davy> raphael: suggest to take 2 nominates to review this document
09:52:08 <davy> jackjansen: I will volunteer
09:52:35 <davy> Guillaume: I will also review it
09:52:57 <davy> action: jackjansen and Gui to review the use cases and requirements draft
09:52:57 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jackjansen
09:53:30 <davy> 2. Types of Fragment addressing (guillaume)
09:54:04 <jackjansen> s/jackjansen/Jack
09:54:14 <davy> raphael: idea was to describe 4 dimensions to address fragments
09:54:58 <davy> guillaume: description of possibilities of media types and these dimensions
09:55:46 <davy> yves: regarding linking to a parent resource
09:55:58 <davy> ... I will look more deeply into that next week
09:56:14 <davy> 3. HTTP implementation (Raphael)
09:56:23 <davy> raphael: more information next week
09:56:53 <davy> raphael: 3th protocol: file implementation
09:57:08 <Gui> ://
09:57:24 <davy> s/file/file://
09:57:49 <Yves> file always get the full result, so identifying fragment forces seeking
09:57:59 <rtroncy> 4. RTSP implementation (davy)
09:58:15 <jackjansen> zakim, mute me
09:58:15 <Zakim> jackjansen should now be muted
09:58:20 <rtroncy> See: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/RTSP_implementation
10:00:00 <rtroncy> Davy: I describe how to address a track and a temporal fragment in rtsp
10:00:05 <jackjansen> zakim, unmute me
10:00:05 <Zakim> jackjansen should no longer be muted
10:00:41 <rtroncy> ... some feedback would be nice
10:01:00 <rtroncy> ... is there any more specialist of rtsp in the room?
10:01:07 <rtroncy> Jack: I will read it!
10:01:48 <rtroncy> Action: Jack to review the RTSP implementation document
10:01:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Review the RTSP implementation document [on Jack Jansen - due 2008-11-12].
10:02:35 <davy> 5. existing technologies survey (erik)
10:02:50 <davy> raphael: merge this to the state of the art page
10:03:13 <davy> erik: I can only look at it from 15/11/2008
10:03:22 <davy> ... it will be ready at second F2F
10:04:24 <davy> Guillaume: how to give feedback on drafts?
10:04:36 <davy> raphael: write mail to the mailinglist
10:04:50 <davy> ... provide the version you have reviewed
10:05:00 <davy> ... give comments section per section
10:05:09 <davy> TOPIC: Issues
10:05:48 <davy> raphael: caching discussion
10:05:58 <davy> ... time ranges is really hard
10:07:16 <rtroncy> Jack: i think time is complex and cache should not necessary try to understand time ... thus only cache bytes range
10:07:39 <rtroncy> Davy: I do not say exactly the contrary, but i'm arguing about implementation
10:08:19 <rtroncy> Jack: caching time ranges requires cache server to do recombination ... so have knowledge about the various media container foramts
10:08:25 <rtroncy> s/foramts/formats
10:08:50 <davy> yves: implementation hard or not, if we no it can be done, than there is no problem
10:09:12 <davy> Jack: caching based on byte offsets will work on 99% of the cases
10:09:19 <rtroncy> Yves: when the implementation is done ... it is done! We know it can be done ... implementation difficulty should not influence the design
10:10:51 <davy> jack: it would work with time ranges, but I see no advantages
10:11:14 <davy> Yves: with time ranges, you can directly request the fragment
10:11:22 <jackjansen> zakim, mute me
10:11:22 <Zakim> jackjansen should now be muted
10:11:49 <jackjansen> zakim, unmute me
10:11:49 <Zakim> jackjansen should no longer be muted
10:12:07 <davy> jack: I fully agree
10:12:32 <davy> ... I think we should leave this issue open
10:12:52 <davy> raphael: more discussion on the mailinglist
10:13:01 <erik> +q
10:13:11 <davy> topic: AOB
10:13:15 <rtroncy> zakim, ack Erik
10:13:15 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
10:13:30 <Yves> regrets for me next week (HTTP meeting)
10:13:50 <Zakim> -jackjansen
10:13:51 <Zakim> -erik
10:13:53 <Zakim> -raphael
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10:13:59 <Zakim> -Yves
10:14:04 <Zakim> -Thierry
10:14:10 <davy> RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:14:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html davy
10:17:20 <rtroncy> thanks davy for the scribing
10:17:31 <davy> no prob
10:17:52 <Yves> I'll edit those minutes
10:19:30 <rtroncy> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008Nov/0019.html
10:20:04 <rtroncy> close ACTION-7
10:20:04 <trackbot> ACTION-7 Request a new time slot on the Zakim bridge closed
10:20:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html rtroncy
10:23:23 <Yves> enjoy your holidays ;)
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10:29:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves
10:29:22 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
10:29:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: yves to make a poll for suggestions for telecon hour: 10:00UTC or 9:30UTC [1]
10:29:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-irc#T09-42-09
10:29:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jackjansen and Gui to review the use cases and requirements draft [2]
10:29:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-irc#T09-52-57
10:29:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jack to review the RTSP implementation document [3]
10:29:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-irc#T10-01-48