IRC log of xmlsec on 2008-11-04

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14:45:43 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #xmlsec
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14:45:45 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs member
14:45:47 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
14:45:47 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
14:45:48 [trackbot]: Meeting: XML Security Working Group Teleconference
14:45:48 [trackbot]: Date: 04 November 2008
14:46:02 [fjh]: Chair: Frederick Hirsch
14:46:26 [fjh]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Nov/0001.html
14:46:40 [fjh]: Regrets: Thomas Roessler
14:46:53 [fjh]: Scribe: Shivaram Mysore
14:47:05 [fjh]: zakim, what is the code?
14:47:05 [Zakim]: the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), fjh
14:49:49 [shivaram]: shivaram has joined #xmlsec
14:53:27 [shivaram]: cool - thanks
14:55:20 [Zakim]: T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM has now started
14:55:27 [Zakim]: + +1.408.907.aaaa
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14:57:56 [Zakim]: +Frederick_Hirsch
14:58:11 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
14:58:11 [Zakim]: On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch
14:58:13 [Zakim]: On IRC I see magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
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15:00:27 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
15:00:27 [Zakim]: On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch
15:00:29 [Zakim]: On IRC I see csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:00:36 [Zakim]: +??P2
15:00:41 [Zakim]: + +1.617.876.aabb
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15:01:02 [Zakim]: +Ed_Simon
15:01:05 [Zakim]: + +1.781.993.aacc
15:01:06 [fjh]: zakim, aabb is smullan
15:01:06 [Zakim]: +smullan; got it
15:01:27 [Zakim]: + +5aadd
15:01:31 [fjh]: zakim, aacc is hlockhart
15:01:31 [Zakim]: +hlockhart; got it
15:01:32 [csolc]: zakim, aadd is csolc
15:01:32 [Zakim]: +csolc; got it
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15:01:38 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
15:01:38 [Zakim]: On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, smullan, Ed_Simon, hlockhart, csolc
15:01:40 [Zakim]: On IRC I see jwray, pdatta, csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:01:42 [Zakim]: +[Oracle]
15:02:01 [Zakim]: + +1.425.237.aaee
15:02:06 [fjh]: zakim, Oracle is pdatta
15:02:06 [Zakim]: +pdatta; got it
15:02:14 [fjh]: zakim, aaee is gerald
15:02:14 [Zakim]: +gerald; got it
15:02:17 [Zakim]: + +1.978.244.aaff
15:02:19 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
15:02:19 [Zakim]: On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, smullan, Ed_Simon, hlockhart, csolc, pdatta, gerald, +1.978.244.aaff
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15:02:26 [Zakim]: On IRC I see jwray, pdatta, csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:02:29 [Zakim]: + +1.614.247.aagg
15:02:30 [jwray]: zakim, aaff is jwray
15:02:32 [scantor]: scantor has joined #xmlsec
15:02:38 [Zakim]: +jwray; got it
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15:02:54 [Zakim]: + +1.512.401.aahh
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15:03:07 [fjh]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Nov/0001.html
15:03:12 [brich]: zakim, aahh is brich
15:03:18 [Zakim]: + +1.206.726.aaii
15:03:20 [Zakim]: +brich; got it
15:03:20 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
15:03:24 [Zakim]: On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2 (muted), smullan, Ed_Simon, hlockhart, csolc, pdatta, gerald, jwray, +1.614.247.aagg, brich, +1.206.726.aaii
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15:03:34 [Zakim]: On IRC I see jcruella, brich, scantor, GeraldE, jwray, pdatta, csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:03:36 [magnus]: zakim, aajj is magnus
15:03:43 [Zakim]: +magnus; got it
15:03:51 [fjh]: zakim, aaii is bal
15:03:56 [Zakim]: +bal; got it
15:04:00 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
15:04:09 [Zakim]: On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2 (muted), smullan, Ed_Simon, hlockhart, csolc, pdatta, gerald, jwray, +1.614.247.aagg, brich, bal, magnus
15:04:16 [Zakim]: On IRC I see bal, jcruella, brich, scantor, GeraldE, jwray, pdatta, csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:04:25 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
15:04:29 [shivaram]: TOPIC: Administrivia:
15:04:35 [Zakim]: +Robert_Miller
15:04:37 [fjh]: zakim, IPcaller is jcc
15:04:41 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
15:04:45 [Zakim]: +jcc; got it
15:04:50 [Zakim]: On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2 (muted), smullan, Ed_Simon, hlockhart, csolc, pdatta, gerald, jwray, +1.614.247.aagg, brich, bal, magnus, jcc, Robert_Miller
15:04:59 [Zakim]: On IRC I see bal, jcruella, brich, scantor, GeraldE, jwray, pdatta, csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:05:06 [fjh]: 25 November, 23 December, 30 December 2008 Teleconferences have been
15:05:09 [fjh]: cancelled
15:05:29 [fjh]: http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/Overview.html#upcoming-meetings
15:05:49 [shivaram]: Folks should plan for travel to Redwood City, CA
15:05:52 [fjh]: 13-14 January, redwood city
15:06:18 [shivaram]: TOPIC: Liaisons and Coordination
15:07:04 [shivaram]: SSTC: what is the general practice in the field
15:08:14 [shivaram]: WS-Policy: there will be an errata regarding C14N and no revision of the spec itself
15:08:23 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft]
15:09:10 [shivaram]: TOPIC: Minutes from F2F 20-21 October 2008
15:09:15 [fjh]: zakim, Microsoft is kelvin
15:09:15 [Zakim]: +kelvin; got it
15:09:30 [shivaram]: they will be approved next week after getting input from other teams
15:09:42 [shivaram]: TOPIC: Transform Simplification
15:09:54 [fjh]: http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Drafts/transform-note/Overview.html
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15:11:38 [fjh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0047.html
15:11:57 [klanz2]: q+
15:12:09 [shivaram]: zakim, kelivin is kyiu
15:12:09 [Zakim]: sorry, shivaram, I do not recognize a party named 'kelivin'
15:12:17 [shivaram]: zakim, kelvin is kyiu
15:12:17 [Zakim]: +kyiu; got it
15:13:01 [fjh]: ack klanz
15:13:05 [shivaram]: Bal: states that there is lot of history here. There are benefits to stating that "I am signing exactly this..."
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15:13:56 [Zakim]: + +1.303.229.aakk
15:14:00 [pdatta]: q+
15:14:03 [shivaram]: Konrad: expressed concern on referencing data in transformations
15:14:19 [bhill]: zakim, aakk is bhill
15:14:19 [Zakim]: +bhill; got it
15:14:57 [shivaram]: Don't intermingle selection, etc with exactly what is signed
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15:16:18 [Zakim]: + +91.97.40.98.aall
15:16:20 [scantor]: zakim, aagg is scantor
15:16:20 [Zakim]: +scantor; got it
15:17:10 [fjh]: zakim, aall is subu
15:17:10 [Zakim]: +subu; got it
15:18:20 [shivaram]: The goal is to reduce complexity, while including the maximum number of use cases
15:18:54 [fjh]: +1 to jwray
15:19:18 [fjh]: jwray notes that could sign xslt and they apply after signing etc to avoid attack issues
15:20:50 [shivaram]: Request Pratik Datta to look into jwray's email
15:21:13 [shivaram]: s/jwray/klanz2
15:21:32 [fjh]: s/klanz2 email/transform note
15:21:33 [klanz2]: what do you mean by "reselection"
15:22:10 [klanz2]: q+
15:22:36 [fjh]: ack pdatta
15:22:40 [fjh]: ack klanz
15:24:41 [shivaram]: klanz2 would like to see a minor revision to 1.0 XML Sig and not break too much compatibility, but, use a more restricted set
15:24:50 [csolc]: want to simplify so you can reduce complexity and this leads to more performant implementations
15:25:14 [csolc]: it also reduces the attack surrface.
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15:25:44 [fjh]: klanz noted that could have two ds:Reference elements, one old style, one new
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15:26:38 [shivaram]: ACTION: klanz2 to email list with specifics on this performant implementaiton
15:26:38 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-99 - Email list with specifics on this performant implementaiton [on Konrad Lanz - due 2008-11-11].
15:27:28 [klanz2]: I'm not sure the Action reflects what we were discussing?
15:27:56 [klanz2]: q+
15:27:58 [fjh]: ACTION: klanz to email proposal regarding 2 ds:References, old and new
15:27:58 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-100 - Email proposal regarding 2 ds:References, old and new [on Konrad Lanz - due 2008-11-11].
15:28:16 [bal]: +q
15:28:30 [fjh]: ack klanz
15:28:34 [fjh]: ack bal
15:28:59 [shivaram]: bal does not see XSLT see as esential. It can be more of a security hole
15:29:00 [fjh]: bal dont see xslt as essential to xml signature transform chain, view as security risk
15:29:03 [fjh]: +1
15:29:05 [csolc]: +1
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15:29:48 [fjh]: q+
15:31:29 [fjh]: discussion of whether signature over presentation or data..
15:31:53 [fjh]: ack fjh
15:32:16 [shivaram]: Bal notes that he is more concerned about data and not much about the presentation aspects for Signature objects
15:33:02 [csolc]: q+
15:33:57 [shivaram]: There is discussion oh the implication of what is signed and how it is presented and the implication of verification of presentation layer
15:34:07 [fjh]: ck csolc
15:34:40 [shivaram]: ack csolc
15:35:00 [shivaram]: q+
15:35:07 [fjh]: why not perform xslt processing before Reference processing
15:35:19 [fjh]: then sign xslt transform as well as what else is required for auditing.
15:35:37 [fjh]: this simplifies xml signature processing, reduces risks, and brings transformation closer to application layer
15:37:52 [fjh]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:38:04 [Zakim]: fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Frederick_Hirsch (13%), klanz2 (19%), bal (50%)
15:38:13 [fjh]: zakim, mute bal
15:38:13 [Zakim]: bal should now be muted
15:38:28 [shivaram]: shivaram: states that may be we should separate out Data and Presentation use of Signing
15:38:52 [shivaram]: and create appropriate best practices
15:39:08 [shivaram]: ack shivaram
15:41:21 [fjh]: konrad notes that xslt not a risk if xslt instance is trusted and reviewed
15:42:26 [Zakim]: -hlockhart
15:42:27 [shivaram]: Use case: if there a XSLT that is trusted and tested, then one should be able to use it
15:42:50 [shivaram]: TOPIC: Open Action Review
15:44:59 [klanz2]: q+
15:45:10 [shivaram]: ffj: states piece mealing spec items so that we can get them resolved faster & better. Then we can piece it together to make it into our requirements doc
15:45:31 [shivaram]: ffj requests suggestions and comments on best ways to achieve the same
15:45:52 [shivaram]: s/ffj/fhj/
15:46:26 [shivaram]: ACTION: fjj to provide a detailed roadmap on getting to the end game of Requirements
15:46:26 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - fjj
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15:46:43 [shivaram]: ACTION: fjh to provide a detailed roadmap on getting to the end game of Requirements
15:46:43 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-101 - Provide a detailed roadmap on getting to the end game of Requirements [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2008-11-11].
15:47:31 [fjh]: http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/actions/open
15:48:34 [klanz2]: q+
15:48:38 [klanz2]: ack klanz2
15:49:13 [klanz2]: http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/actions/13
15:50:30 [klanz2]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Jul/0034.html
15:50:51 [klanz2]: ACTION-13
15:51:03 [fjh]: action 13 done, will add email
15:51:03 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - 13
15:51:18 [fjh]: action 24 2008-12-01
15:51:18 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - 24
15:51:27 [klanz2]: The proposal basically was to use hints to stipulate how a chain of transforms will behave in terms of streaming processing
15:51:43 [fjh]: set deadline for action 24 to end november
15:52:42 [shivaram]: set deadline for action 13 to 11 november
15:52:50 [fjh]: set deadline for action 13 to next week for shivaram
15:53:27 [fjh]: the action 52 went into transform primitives
15:53:36 [fjh]: action-52 closed
15:53:36 [trackbot]: ACTION-52 Attempt summarizing recent discussions as input for design document closed
15:54:17 [fjh]: konrad, derive requiements for simple transform
15:54:53 [fjh]: add transform primitives to requirements document?
15:55:17 [fjh]: need to discuss list of transforms, or canonicalization
15:56:08 [klanz2]: http://www.w3.org/TR/xptr-element/
15:56:24 [fjh]: add to next week agenda discussion of transform primitives, xpointer element
15:56:35 [klanz2]: maybe also http://www.w3.org/TR/xptr-xmlns/
15:57:06 [klanz2]: could be an easy way to be used for selection ...
15:57:22 [fjh]: set date for 55 to next week
15:58:36 [fjh]: part of material for action-66 from norm
15:59:09 [fjh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Nov/0002.html
16:00:18 [fjh]: set date for 85 to next week
16:01:25 [fjh]: kelvin will work on algorithms first then 86
16:02:30 [subu]: subu has joined #xmlsec
16:02:51 [fjh]: planning to look at 88 end dec
16:02:59 [Zakim]: -Robert_Miller
16:03:54 [fjh]: to close either 86 or 90, duplication
16:04:01 [jcruella]: very initial draft in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Nov/0006.html
16:04:27 [fjh]: close action-91
16:04:28 [trackbot]: ACTION-91 Provide a draft for the requirements document for long term signatures. closed
16:05:51 [fjh]: kelvin provided list of uris at f2f
16:06:00 [fjh]: close action-92
16:06:00 [trackbot]: ACTION-92 Propose text for note providing an index to XML Security URIs closed
16:07:38 [fjh]: discussion of action-94, algorithms for 1.1
16:07:41 [klanz2]: could you please, type to the chat ...
16:08:35 [bal]: q+
16:08:40 [klanz2]: q-
16:08:50 [fjh]: ack bal
16:09:00 [bal]: q-
16:09:39 [klanz2]: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4050
16:09:47 [klanz2]: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4051
16:10:25 [klanz2]: 4050 is INFORMATIONAL ...
16:10:47 [klanz2]: bal: inelegant markup ... ?
16:11:14 [klanz2]: proposal? -> harmoniue 4050 and XMLDSIG ?
16:11:26 [klanz2]: s/harmoniue(harmonize/
16:11:58 [fjh]: bal and kelvin note that RFC 4051 is Eastlake list of algs, RFV 4050 definitions of ECC in dsig
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16:12:58 [fjh]: noted that RFC 4050 is translation of ASN.1 spec, structures do not mix well with xml dsig, cannot just merge DTDs
16:13:07 [fjh]: question, do we want to define DTDs going forward
16:13:38 [fjh]: 4050 not elegant, may wish to define structures as appropriate in XML Security, not necessarily matching 4050
16:13:53 [fjh]: depend on 4050 as much as possible
16:14:10 [fjh]: need - samples of ecc signatures, what is supported from 4050, what is actually used
16:14:19 [fjh]: request to implementers for input on this issue
16:14:23 [klanz2]: we support ECC ...
16:14:32 [klanz2]: q+
16:14:35 [esimon2]: I Is the W3C maintaining the DTD spec? Will future XML versions introduce features not properly expressible by DTDs?
16:14:37 [fjh]: ack klanz
16:14:46 [bal]: do you know how much of 4050 you support?
16:15:52 [fjh]: kelvin notes could merge schema, but would require two dtds
16:16:40 [fjh]: kelvin notes might want to simplify schema, improve
16:16:48 [Zakim]: -subu
16:17:24 [shivaram]: yes
16:17:48 [shivaram]: ok
16:18:51 [shivaram]: klanz2 has offered to help kyiu with samples
16:19:17 [fjh]: kelvin, name curve ok, maybe simplify explicit
16:20:35 [shivaram]: ACTION: fjh to check on DTDs with W3C
16:20:46 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-102 - Check on DTDs with W3C [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2008-11-11].
16:21:21 [fjh]: zakim, who is making noise?
16:21:32 [Zakim]: fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Frederick_Hirsch (5%), gerald (34%), bal (55%)
16:21:35 [GeraldE]: q+
16:21:44 [fjh]: ack Geralee
16:21:48 [fjh]: ack GeraldE
16:21:48 [bal]: zakim, mute me
16:21:49 [Zakim]: bal should now be muted
16:22:03 [esimon2]: zakim, mute me
16:22:03 [Zakim]: sorry, esimon2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:22:30 [klanz2]: klanz2 zakim, who is on the phone?
16:23:47 [subu]: subu has joined #xmlsec
16:24:01 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
16:24:01 [Zakim]: On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, smullan, Ed_Simon, csolc, pdatta, gerald, jwray, scantor, brich, bal (muted), magnus, jcc, kyiu, bhill
16:24:04 [Zakim]: On IRC I see subu, csolc, Bruce_Rich, esimon2, bhill, kyiu, bal, jcruella, scantor, GeraldE, jwray, pdatta, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
16:26:31 [fjh]: action-97 closed
16:26:31 [trackbot]: ACTION-97 Add transforms requirements material to requirements draft closed
16:26:44 [fjh]: frederick incorporated material from pratik into transform draft
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16:27:59 [fjh]: action-98 closed
16:28:00 [trackbot]: ACTION-98 Draft database certificate use case and requirements for document, share on mail list closed
16:28:02 [fjh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Nov/0007.html
16:29:32 [fjh]: close action-99
16:29:32 [trackbot]: ACTION-99 Email list with specifics on this performant implementaiton closed
16:30:13 [shivaram]: TOPIC: Issues list review
16:30:19 [fjh]: http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/issues/open
16:33:35 [subu]: subu has left #xmlsec
16:35:25 [klanz2]: q+
16:35:52 [fjh]: ack klanz
16:36:38 [fjh]: konrad notes that we may wish to review issues list for which items can be in v1.1 and addressed sooner, have impact
16:36:48 [fjh]: s/impact/quick impact/
16:37:00 [klanz2]: q-
16:38:10 [fjh]: konrad putting algorithms out in draft note earlier to get feedback as well?
16:38:45 [shivaram]: TOPIC: Best Practices
16:39:14 [shivaram]: Sean and Juan Carlos are working on this
16:39:26 [klanz2]: re previous topic ... I'd advocate for putting a list of small "useful" transforms, transform primitives ...
16:41:32 [fjh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0020.html
16:44:25 [fjh]: action jcc to provide updated email on best practices issue
16:44:27 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-103 - Provide updated email on best practices issue [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2008-11-11].
16:44:57 [shivaram]: TOPIC: Requirements
16:45:02 [fjh]: http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Drafts/xmlsec-reqs/Overview.html
16:46:44 [shivaram]: fjh: Seperate requirements and design work. Publish note on design work after requirements
16:48:42 [klanz2]: sounds good
16:49:45 [klanz2]: do we have a link or something to anchor this ...
16:49:47 [fjh]: TOPIC: encoding related to certificates, leaving it open
16:50:30 [magnus]: q+
16:50:46 [fjh]: ack magnus
16:51:51 [fjh]: magnus notes that have not seen encodings other than DER
16:52:01 [bal]: q+
16:52:04 [fjh]: scott notes that that raises interop issue, why not require DER
16:52:35 [fjh]: scott notes DSig maybe should require DER
16:52:36 [fjh]: ack bal
16:53:08 [fjh]: bal notes reference 5280, requires DER for computing hash, but not serialized that way
16:53:43 [klanz2]: q+
16:54:28 [fjh]: ack klanz
16:55:41 [fjh]: bal asks if PKIX to require DER
16:55:59 [fjh]: scott notes difference of asn1 library and certificate library, and limitation of cert library
16:56:21 [Zakim]: -bhill
16:56:22 [fjh]: scott either need encoding attribute or processing rule in dsig to clarify encoding, why not in 1.1 require DER
16:56:38 [fjh]: issue require DER encoding in 1.1
16:56:46 [fjh]: issue: require DER encoding in 1.1
16:56:46 [trackbot]: Created ISSUE-70 - Require DER encoding in 1.1 ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/issues/70/edit .
16:57:11 [magnus]: q+
16:57:30 [fjh]: issue: change section titles in best practices to match practices
16:57:30 [trackbot]: Created ISSUE-71 - Change section titles in best practices to match practices ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/issues/71/edit .
16:57:51 [fjh]: ack magnus
16:58:56 [fjh]: magnus suggests requiring supporting encoding, concerned about requiring DER, prefer change in base spec
16:59:24 [fjh]: scott notes with schema change we can nail down encoding, or provide encoding attribute
16:59:33 [bal]: q+
16:59:38 [fjh]: allow other encodings through use of extensions
16:59:44 [fjh]: ack bal
16:59:47 [fjh]: q+
17:00:31 [fjh]: scott - huge burden to implement many encodings
17:00:45 [fjh]: ack bal
17:01:57 [fjh]: bal prefers text in spec, rather than new attribuite
17:02:06 [fjh]: s/uite/ute/
17:02:23 [Zakim]: -magnus
17:02:30 [Zakim]: -csolc
17:04:00 [Zakim]: -smullan
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17:04:10 [Zakim]: -pdatta
17:04:14 [Zakim]: -jcc
17:04:15 [Zakim]: -bal
17:04:15 [Zakim]: -gerald
17:04:16 [Zakim]: -klanz2
17:04:16 [Zakim]: -kyiu
17:04:18 [Zakim]: -jwray
17:04:18 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
17:04:21 [Zakim]: -scantor
17:04:25 [Zakim]: On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, brich
17:04:27 [Zakim]: -brich
17:04:29 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Bruce_Rich, esimon2, bhill, kyiu, bal, jcruella, GeraldE, jwray, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
17:04:47 [shivaram]: zakim, who is here?
17:04:50 [fjh]: RRSAgent, generate minutes
17:04:50 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
17:04:55 [Zakim]: On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon
17:05:04 [Zakim]: -Ed_Simon
17:05:08 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Bruce_Rich, esimon2, bhill, kyiu, GeraldE, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
17:05:47 [fjh]: Zakim, list participants
17:05:47 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been +1.408.907.aaaa, shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.617.876.aabb, Ed_Simon, +1.781.993.aacc, smullan, klanz2, +5aadd, hlockhart, csolc,
17:05:51 [Zakim]: ... +1.425.237.aaee, pdatta, gerald, +1.978.244.aaff, +1.614.247.aagg, jwray, +1.512.401.aahh, +1.206.726.aaii, brich, +0468725aajj, magnus, bal, Robert_Miller, jcc, kyiu,
17:05:53 [Zakim]: ... +1.303.229.aakk, bhill, +91.97.40.98.aall, scantor, subu
17:06:03 [fjh]: RRSAgent, generate minutes
17:06:03 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
17:06:50 [Zakim]: -Frederick_Hirsch
17:06:52 [Zakim]: -shivaram
17:06:52 [Zakim]: T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM has ended
17:06:53 [Zakim]: Attendees were +1.408.907.aaaa, shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.617.876.aabb, Ed_Simon, +1.781.993.aacc, smullan, klanz2, +5aadd, hlockhart, csolc, +1.425.237.aaee, pdatta, gerald,
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17:07:03 [Zakim]: ... +91.97.40.98.aall, scantor, subu
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