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14:45:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs member
14:45:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
14:45:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
14:45:48 <trackbot> Meeting: XML Security Working Group Teleconference
14:45:48 <trackbot> Date: 04 November 2008
14:46:02 <fjh> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
14:46:26 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Nov/0001.html
14:46:40 <fjh> Regrets: Thomas Roessler
14:46:53 <fjh> Scribe: Shivaram Mysore
14:47:05 <fjh> zakim, what is the code?
14:47:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), fjh
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14:53:27 <shivaram> cool - thanks 
14:55:20 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM has now started
14:55:27 <Zakim> + +1.408.907.aaaa
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14:57:56 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
14:58:11 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:58:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch
14:58:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
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15:00:27 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:00:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch
15:00:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:00:36 <Zakim> +??P2
15:00:41 <Zakim> + +1.617.876.aabb
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15:01:02 <Zakim> +Ed_Simon
15:01:05 <Zakim> + +1.781.993.aacc
15:01:06 <fjh> zakim, aabb is smullan
15:01:06 <Zakim> +smullan; got it
15:01:27 <Zakim> + +5aadd
15:01:31 <fjh> zakim, aacc is hlockhart
15:01:31 <Zakim> +hlockhart; got it
15:01:32 <csolc> zakim,  aadd is csolc
15:01:32 <Zakim> +csolc; got it
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15:01:38 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:01:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, smullan, Ed_Simon, hlockhart, csolc
15:01:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see jwray, pdatta, csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:01:42 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
15:02:01 <Zakim> + +1.425.237.aaee
15:02:06 <fjh> zakim, Oracle is pdatta
15:02:06 <Zakim> +pdatta; got it
15:02:14 <fjh> zakim, aaee is gerald
15:02:14 <Zakim> +gerald; got it
15:02:17 <Zakim> + +1.978.244.aaff
15:02:19 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:02:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, smullan, Ed_Simon, hlockhart, csolc, pdatta, gerald, +1.978.244.aaff
15:02:22 <GeraldE> GeraldE has joined #xmlsec
15:02:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see jwray, pdatta, csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:02:29 <Zakim> + +1.614.247.aagg
15:02:30 <jwray> zakim, aaff is jwray
15:02:32 <scantor> scantor has joined #xmlsec
15:02:38 <Zakim> +jwray; got it
15:02:41 <brich> brich has joined #xmlsec
15:02:54 <Zakim> + +1.512.401.aahh
15:02:54 <jcruella> jcruella has joined #xmlsec
15:03:07 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Nov/0001.html
15:03:12 <brich> zakim, aahh is brich
15:03:18 <Zakim> + +1.206.726.aaii
15:03:20 <Zakim> +brich; got it
15:03:20 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:03:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2 (muted), smullan, Ed_Simon, hlockhart, csolc, pdatta, gerald, jwray, +1.614.247.aagg, brich, +1.206.726.aaii
15:03:29 <bal> bal has joined #xmlsec
15:03:31 <Zakim> + +0468725aajj
15:03:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcruella, brich, scantor, GeraldE, jwray, pdatta, csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:03:36 <magnus> zakim, aajj is magnus
15:03:43 <Zakim> +magnus; got it
15:03:51 <fjh> zakim, aaii is bal
15:03:56 <Zakim> +bal; got it
15:04:00 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:04:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2 (muted), smullan, Ed_Simon, hlockhart, csolc, pdatta, gerald, jwray, +1.614.247.aagg, brich, bal, magnus
15:04:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see bal, jcruella, brich, scantor, GeraldE, jwray, pdatta, csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:04:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:29 <shivaram> TOPIC: Administrivia:
15:04:35 <Zakim> +Robert_Miller
15:04:37 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is jcc
15:04:41 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:04:45 <Zakim> +jcc; got it
15:04:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2 (muted), smullan, Ed_Simon, hlockhart, csolc, pdatta, gerald, jwray, +1.614.247.aagg, brich, bal, magnus, jcc, Robert_Miller
15:04:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see bal, jcruella, brich, scantor, GeraldE, jwray, pdatta, csolc, smullan, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, anil, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
15:05:06 <fjh> 25 November, 23 December, 30 December 2008 Teleconferences have been  
15:05:09 <fjh> cancelled
15:05:29 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/Overview.html#upcoming-meetings
15:05:49 <shivaram> Folks should plan for travel to Redwood City, CA
15:05:52 <fjh> 13-14 January, redwood city
15:06:18 <shivaram> TOPIC: Liaisons and Coordination
15:07:04 <shivaram> SSTC: what is the general practice in the field
15:08:14 <shivaram> WS-Policy: there will be an errata regarding C14N and no revision of the spec itself
15:08:23 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:09:10 <shivaram> TOPIC: Minutes from F2F 20-21 October  2008 
15:09:15 <fjh> zakim, Microsoft is kelvin
15:09:15 <Zakim> +kelvin; got it
15:09:30 <shivaram> they will be approved next week after getting input from other teams
15:09:42 <shivaram> TOPIC: Transform Simplification
15:09:54 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Drafts/transform-note/Overview.html
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15:11:38 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0047.html
15:11:57 <klanz2> q+
15:12:09 <shivaram> zakim, kelivin is kyiu
15:12:09 <Zakim> sorry, shivaram, I do not recognize a party named 'kelivin'
15:12:17 <shivaram> zakim, kelvin is kyiu
15:12:17 <Zakim> +kyiu; got it
15:13:01 <fjh> ack klanz
15:13:05 <shivaram> Bal: states that there is lot of history here.  There are benefits to stating that "I am signing exactly this..."
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15:13:56 <Zakim> + +1.303.229.aakk
15:14:00 <pdatta> q+
15:14:03 <shivaram> Konrad: expressed concern on referencing data in transformations
15:14:19 <bhill> zakim, aakk is bhill
15:14:19 <Zakim> +bhill; got it
15:14:57 <shivaram> Don't intermingle selection, etc with exactly what is signed
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15:16:18 <Zakim> + +91.97.40.98.aall
15:16:20 <scantor> zakim, aagg is scantor
15:16:20 <Zakim> +scantor; got it
15:17:10 <fjh> zakim, aall is subu
15:17:10 <Zakim> +subu; got it
15:18:20 <shivaram> The goal is to reduce complexity, while including the maximum number of use cases
15:18:54 <fjh> +1 to jwray
15:19:18 <fjh> jwray notes that could sign xslt and they apply after signing etc to avoid attack issues
15:20:50 <shivaram> Request Pratik Datta to look into jwray's email
15:21:13 <shivaram> s/jwray/klanz2
15:21:32 <fjh> s/klanz2 email/transform note
15:21:33 <klanz2> what do you mean by "reselection"
15:22:10 <klanz2> q+
15:22:36 <fjh> ack pdatta
15:22:40 <fjh> ack klanz
15:24:41 <shivaram> klanz2 would like to see a minor revision to 1.0 XML Sig and not break  too much compatibility, but, use a more restricted set
15:24:50 <csolc> want to simplify so you can reduce complexity and this leads to more performant implementations
15:25:14 <csolc> it also reduces the attack surrface.
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15:25:44 <fjh> klanz noted that could have two ds:Reference elements, one old style, one new
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15:26:38 <shivaram> ACTION: klanz2 to email list with specifics on this performant implementaiton
15:26:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Email list with specifics on this performant implementaiton [on Konrad Lanz - due 2008-11-11].
15:27:28 <klanz2> I'm not sure the Action reflects what we were discussing?
15:27:56 <klanz2> q+
15:27:58 <fjh> ACTION: klanz to email proposal regarding 2 ds:References, old and new
15:27:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Email proposal regarding 2 ds:References, old and new [on Konrad Lanz - due 2008-11-11].
15:28:16 <bal> +q
15:28:30 <fjh> ack klanz
15:28:34 <fjh> ack bal
15:28:59 <shivaram> bal does not see XSLT see as esential.  It can be more of a security hole
15:29:00 <fjh> bal dont see xslt as essential to xml signature transform chain, view as security risk
15:29:03 <fjh> +1
15:29:05 <csolc> +1
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15:29:48 <fjh> q+
15:31:29 <fjh> discussion of whether signature over presentation or data..
15:31:53 <fjh> ack fjh
15:32:16 <shivaram> Bal notes that he is more concerned about data and not much about the presentation aspects for Signature objects
15:33:02 <csolc> q+
15:33:57 <shivaram> There is discussion oh the implication of what is signed and how it is presented and the implication of verification of presentation layer
15:34:07 <fjh> ck csolc
15:34:40 <shivaram> ack csolc
15:35:00 <shivaram> q+
15:35:07 <fjh> why not perform xslt processing before Reference processing
15:35:19 <fjh> then sign xslt transform as well as what else is required for auditing.
15:35:37 <fjh> this simplifies xml signature processing, reduces risks, and brings transformation closer to application layer
15:37:52 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
15:38:04 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Frederick_Hirsch (13%), klanz2 (19%), bal (50%)
15:38:13 <fjh> zakim, mute bal
15:38:13 <Zakim> bal should now be muted
15:38:28 <shivaram> shivaram: states that may be we should separate out Data and Presentation use of Signing
15:38:52 <shivaram> and create appropriate best practices
15:39:08 <shivaram> ack shivaram
15:41:21 <fjh> konrad notes that xslt not a risk if xslt instance is trusted and reviewed
15:42:26 <Zakim> -hlockhart
15:42:27 <shivaram> Use case: if there a XSLT that is trusted and tested, then one should be able to use it 
15:42:50 <shivaram> TOPIC: Open Action Review
15:44:59 <klanz2> q+
15:45:10 <shivaram> ffj: states piece mealing spec items so that we can get them resolved faster & better.  Then we can piece it together to make it into our requirements doc
15:45:31 <shivaram> ffj requests suggestions and comments on best ways to achieve the same
15:45:52 <shivaram> s/ffj/fhj/
15:46:26 <shivaram> ACTION: fjj to provide a detailed roadmap on getting to the end game of Requirements
15:46:26 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - fjj
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15:46:43 <shivaram> ACTION: fjh to provide a detailed roadmap on getting to the end game of Requirements
15:46:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Provide a detailed roadmap on getting to the end game of Requirements [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2008-11-11].
15:47:31 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/actions/open
15:48:34 <klanz2> q+
15:48:38 <klanz2> ack klanz2
15:49:13 <klanz2> http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/actions/13
15:50:30 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Jul/0034.html
15:50:51 <klanz2> ACTION-13
15:51:03 <fjh> action 13 done, will add email
15:51:03 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 13
15:51:18 <fjh> action 24 2008-12-01
15:51:18 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 24
15:51:27 <klanz2> The proposal basically was to use hints to stipulate how a chain of transforms will behave in terms of streaming processing
15:51:43 <fjh> set deadline for action 24 to end november
15:52:42 <shivaram> set deadline for action 13 to 11 november
15:52:50 <fjh> set deadline for action 13 to next week for shivaram
15:53:27 <fjh> the action 52 went into transform primitives
15:53:36 <fjh> action-52 closed
15:53:36 <trackbot> ACTION-52 Attempt summarizing recent discussions as input for design document closed
15:54:17 <fjh> konrad, derive requiements for simple transform
15:54:53 <fjh> add transform primitives to requirements document?
15:55:17 <fjh> need to discuss list of transforms, or canonicalization
15:56:08 <klanz2> http://www.w3.org/TR/xptr-element/
15:56:24 <fjh> add to next week agenda discussion of transform primitives, xpointer element
15:56:35 <klanz2> maybe also http://www.w3.org/TR/xptr-xmlns/
15:57:06 <klanz2> could be an easy way to be used for selection ...
15:57:22 <fjh> set date for 55 to next week
15:58:36 <fjh> part of material for action-66 from norm
15:59:09 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Nov/0002.html
16:00:18 <fjh> set date for 85 to next week
16:01:25 <fjh> kelvin will work on algorithms first then 86
16:02:30 <subu> subu has joined #xmlsec
16:02:51 <fjh> planning to look at 88 end dec
16:02:59 <Zakim> -Robert_Miller
16:03:54 <fjh> to close either 86 or 90, duplication
16:04:01 <jcruella> very initial draft in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Nov/0006.html
16:04:27 <fjh> close action-91
16:04:28 <trackbot> ACTION-91 Provide a draft for the requirements document for long term signatures. closed
16:05:51 <fjh> kelvin provided list of uris at f2f
16:06:00 <fjh> close action-92
16:06:00 <trackbot> ACTION-92 Propose text for note providing an index to XML Security URIs closed
16:07:38 <fjh> discussion of action-94, algorithms for 1.1
16:07:41 <klanz2> could you please, type to the chat ...
16:08:35 <bal> q+
16:08:40 <klanz2> q-
16:08:50 <fjh> ack bal
16:09:00 <bal> q-
16:09:39 <klanz2> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4050
16:09:47 <klanz2> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4051
16:10:25 <klanz2> 4050 is INFORMATIONAL ...
16:10:47 <klanz2> bal: inelegant markup ... ?
16:11:14 <klanz2> proposal? -> harmoniue 4050 and XMLDSIG ?
16:11:26 <klanz2> s/harmoniue(harmonize/
16:11:58 <fjh> bal and kelvin note that RFC 4051 is Eastlake list of algs, RFV 4050 definitions of ECC in dsig
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16:12:58 <fjh> noted that RFC 4050 is translation of ASN.1 spec, structures do not mix well with xml dsig, cannot just merge DTDs
16:13:07 <fjh> question, do we want to define DTDs going forward
16:13:38 <fjh> 4050 not elegant, may wish to define structures as appropriate in XML Security, not necessarily matching 4050
16:13:53 <fjh> depend on 4050 as much as possible
16:14:10 <fjh> need - samples of ecc signatures, what is supported from 4050, what is actually used
16:14:19 <fjh> request to implementers for input on this issue
16:14:23 <klanz2> we support ECC ...
16:14:32 <klanz2> q+
16:14:35 <esimon2> I Is the W3C maintaining the DTD spec? Will future XML versions introduce features not properly expressible by DTDs?
16:14:37 <fjh> ack klanz
16:14:46 <bal> do you know how much of 4050 you support?
16:15:52 <fjh> kelvin notes could merge schema, but would require two dtds
16:16:40 <fjh> kelvin notes might want to simplify schema, improve
16:16:48 <Zakim> -subu
16:17:24 <shivaram> yes
16:17:48 <shivaram> ok
16:18:51 <shivaram> klanz2 has offered to help kyiu with samples
16:19:17 <fjh> kelvin, name curve ok, maybe simplify explicit
16:20:35 <shivaram> ACTION: fjh to check on DTDs with W3C
16:20:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Check on DTDs with W3C [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2008-11-11].
16:21:21 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
16:21:32 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Frederick_Hirsch (5%), gerald (34%), bal (55%)
16:21:35 <GeraldE> q+
16:21:44 <fjh> ack Geralee
16:21:48 <fjh> ack GeraldE
16:21:48 <bal> zakim, mute me
16:21:49 <Zakim> bal should now be muted
16:22:03 <esimon2> zakim, mute me
16:22:03 <Zakim> sorry, esimon2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:22:30 <klanz2> klanz2 zakim, who is on the phone?
16:23:47 <subu> subu has joined #xmlsec
16:24:01 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
16:24:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, smullan, Ed_Simon, csolc, pdatta, gerald, jwray, scantor, brich, bal (muted), magnus, jcc, kyiu, bhill
16:24:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see subu, csolc, Bruce_Rich, esimon2, bhill, kyiu, bal, jcruella, scantor, GeraldE, jwray, pdatta, magnus, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
16:26:31 <fjh> action-97 closed
16:26:31 <trackbot> ACTION-97 Add transforms requirements material to requirements draft closed
16:26:44 <fjh> frederick incorporated material from pratik into transform draft
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16:27:59 <fjh> action-98 closed
16:28:00 <trackbot> ACTION-98 Draft database certificate use case and requirements for document, share on mail list closed
16:28:02 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Nov/0007.html
16:29:32 <fjh> close action-99
16:29:32 <trackbot> ACTION-99 Email list with specifics on this performant implementaiton closed
16:30:13 <shivaram> TOPIC: Issues list review
16:30:19 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/issues/open
16:33:35 <subu> subu has left #xmlsec
16:35:25 <klanz2> q+
16:35:52 <fjh> ack klanz
16:36:38 <fjh> konrad notes that we may wish to review issues list for which items can be in v1.1 and addressed sooner, have impact
16:36:48 <fjh> s/impact/quick impact/
16:37:00 <klanz2> q-
16:38:10 <fjh> konrad putting algorithms out in draft note earlier to get feedback as well?
16:38:45 <shivaram> TOPIC: Best Practices
16:39:14 <shivaram> Sean and Juan Carlos are working on this
16:39:26 <klanz2> re previous topic ... I'd advocate for putting a list of small "useful" transforms, transform primitives ...
16:41:32 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec/2008Oct/0020.html
16:44:25 <fjh> action jcc to provide updated email on best practices issue
16:44:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - Provide updated email on best practices issue [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2008-11-11].
16:44:57 <shivaram> TOPIC: Requirements
16:45:02 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Drafts/xmlsec-reqs/Overview.html
16:46:44 <shivaram> fjh: Seperate requirements and design work.  Publish note on design work after requirements
16:48:42 <klanz2> sounds good
16:49:45 <klanz2> do we have a link or something to anchor this ... 
16:49:47 <fjh> TOPIC: encoding related to certificates, leaving it open
16:50:30 <magnus> q+
16:50:46 <fjh> ack magnus
16:51:51 <fjh> magnus notes that have not seen encodings other than DER
16:52:01 <bal> q+
16:52:04 <fjh> scott notes that that raises interop issue, why not require DER
16:52:35 <fjh> scott notes DSig maybe should require DER
16:52:36 <fjh> ack bal
16:53:08 <fjh> bal notes reference 5280, requires DER for computing hash, but not serialized that way
16:53:43 <klanz2> q+
16:54:28 <fjh> ack klanz
16:55:41 <fjh> bal asks if PKIX to require DER
16:55:59 <fjh> scott notes difference of asn1 library and certificate library, and limitation of cert library
16:56:21 <Zakim> -bhill
16:56:22 <fjh> scott either need encoding attribute or processing rule in dsig to clarify encoding, why not in 1.1 require DER
16:56:38 <fjh> issue require DER encoding in 1.1
16:56:46 <fjh> issue: require DER encoding in 1.1
16:56:46 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-70 - Require DER encoding in 1.1 ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/issues/70/edit .
16:57:11 <magnus> q+
16:57:30 <fjh> issue: change section titles in best practices to match practices
16:57:30 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-71 - Change section titles in best practices to match practices ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/track/issues/71/edit .
16:57:51 <fjh> ack magnus
16:58:56 <fjh> magnus suggests requiring supporting encoding, concerned about requiring DER, prefer change in base spec
16:59:24 <fjh> scott notes with schema change we can nail down encoding, or provide encoding attribute
16:59:33 <bal> q+
16:59:38 <fjh> allow other encodings through use of extensions
16:59:44 <fjh> ack bal
16:59:47 <fjh> q+
17:00:31 <fjh> scott - huge burden to implement many encodings
17:00:45 <fjh> ack bal
17:01:57 <fjh> bal prefers text in spec, rather than new attribuite
17:02:06 <fjh> s/uite/ute/
17:02:23 <Zakim> -magnus
17:02:30 <Zakim> -csolc
17:04:00 <Zakim> -smullan
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17:04:10 <Zakim> -pdatta
17:04:14 <Zakim> -jcc
17:04:15 <Zakim> -bal
17:04:15 <Zakim> -gerald
17:04:16 <Zakim> -klanz2
17:04:16 <Zakim> -kyiu
17:04:18 <Zakim> -jwray
17:04:18 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
17:04:21 <Zakim> -scantor
17:04:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, brich
17:04:27 <Zakim> -brich
17:04:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bruce_Rich, esimon2, bhill, kyiu, bal, jcruella, GeraldE, jwray, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
17:04:47 <shivaram> zakim, who is here?
17:04:50 <fjh> RRSAgent, generate minutes
17:04:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
17:04:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon
17:05:04 <Zakim> -Ed_Simon
17:05:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bruce_Rich, esimon2, bhill, kyiu, GeraldE, shivaram, RRSAgent, fjh, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot
17:05:47 <fjh> Zakim, list participants
17:05:47 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.408.907.aaaa, shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.617.876.aabb, Ed_Simon, +1.781.993.aacc, smullan, klanz2, +5aadd, hlockhart, csolc,
17:05:51 <Zakim> ... +1.425.237.aaee, pdatta, gerald, +1.978.244.aaff, +1.614.247.aagg, jwray, +1.512.401.aahh, +1.206.726.aaii, brich, +0468725aajj, magnus, bal, Robert_Miller, jcc, kyiu,
17:05:53 <Zakim> ... +1.303.229.aakk, bhill, +91.97.40.98.aall, scantor, subu
17:06:03 <fjh> RRSAgent, generate minutes
17:06:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
17:06:50 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
17:06:52 <Zakim> -shivaram
17:06:52 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM has ended
17:06:53 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.408.907.aaaa, shivaram, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.617.876.aabb, Ed_Simon, +1.781.993.aacc, smullan, klanz2, +5aadd, hlockhart, csolc, +1.425.237.aaee, pdatta, gerald,
17:06:58 <Zakim> ... +1.978.244.aaff, +1.614.247.aagg, jwray, +1.512.401.aahh, +1.206.726.aaii, brich, +0468725aajj, magnus, bal, Robert_Miller, jcc, kyiu, +1.303.229.aakk, bhill,
17:07:03 <Zakim> ... +91.97.40.98.aall, scantor, subu
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