IRC log of sml on 2008-10-29

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/29-sml-irc

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scribe: Len Charest

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scribenick: lencharest

16:10:28 [johnarwe_]

agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0015.html

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16:12:01 [lencharest]

meeting: SML WG face-to-face day 3

16:12:17 [MSM]

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Chair: John Arwe

16:13:06 [lencharest]

Topic: Test case for intra-doc keyref

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16:14:34 [lencharest]

Pratul: We're not trying to develop an exhaustive test suite.

16:15:38 [lencharest]

Pratul: Focus on core scenarios.

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16:20:05 [lencharest]

RESOLUTION: WG will accept a test for intra-document keyref if such a test is volunteered, but intra-doc keyref is not a required test case.

16:21:55 [lencharest]

zakim, this will be XML_SMLWG

16:21:55 [Zakim]

ok, lencharest; I see XML_SMLWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 81 minutes ago

16:22:33 [lencharest]

Topic: COSMOS test case InvalidMultipleDocument

16:22:54 [lencharest]

Ginny: Wouldn't this be detected by normal schema validation?

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16:24:10 [lencharest]

John: No, smlif:data is a wildcard.

16:25:17 [johnarwe_]

ginny checked current schema, /data content is wildcard w/ maxoccurs=1 so it should in fact be a schema validation issue. this might not have been true originally (in the Submission)

16:27:49 [lencharest]

Topic: COSMOS test cases where description does not match intent of test

16:28:34 [lencharest]

Ginny: For example, Base64Encoded* tests

16:32:54 [lencharest]

Kumar: I will add disambiguating comments to our feature/test spreadsheet

16:35:36 [lencharest]

rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/29-sml-minutes.html lencharest

16:39:02 [lencharest]

Topic: Need specific test for schema-complete?

16:41:07 [Kumar]

rrsagent, make log public

16:42:24 [lencharest]

zakim, who is here

16:42:24 [Zakim]

lencharest, you need to end that query with '?'

16:42:32 [lencharest]

zakim, who is here?

16:42:32 [Zakim]

XML_SMLWG()11:00AM has not yet started, lencharest

16:42:34 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Sandy, Liam, Zakim, ginny, MSM, Kumar, lencharest, johnarwe_, RRSAgent, pratul, trackbot

16:42:43 [johnarwe_]

zakim, this is sml

16:42:43 [Zakim]

johnarwe_, I see XML_SMLWG()11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be sml".

16:43:28 [johnarwe_]

present: len, pratul, john, kumar, ginny

16:43:49 [lencharest]

rrsagent, generate minutes

16:43:49 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/29-sml-minutes.html lencharest

16:45:26 [ginny]

Microsoft's implementation does not support schema bindings and therefore this implementation is a test for last paragraph of 5.4.3 in IF (construction of default schema)

16:56:59 [lencharest]

Topic: Identifying relevant features for each test case in test/feature spreadsheet

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17:02:32 [Kirk]

Ok, please open the telephone line (if it is not already open). Thank you.

17:03:45 [Zakim]

XML_SMLWG()11:00AM has now started

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+??P8

17:04:09 [Kirk]

zakim, ??P8 is Kirk

17:04:09 [Zakim]

+Kirk; got it

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+[Microsoft]

17:06:45 [lencharest]

rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/29-sml-minutes.html lencharest

17:24:24 [lencharest]

Description of test InvalidBareNameMultipleSchemes should mention that both refs are sml:uri

17:27:26 [lencharest]

Ginny: Change test s.t. two sml:uri refs that resolve to the *same* target must produce an error

17:28:21 [lencharest]

rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/29-sml-minutes.html lencharest

17:30:58 [Kirk]

To answer your question John: Not very well.

17:36:40 [Kirk]

I'm not sure what would help.--and my experience is that other anything probably couldn't be sustained. I can follow points in the discussion. And I have to leave anyway for another call in about an hour.

17:40:55 [Kirk]

That will help somewhat. What line are you on now?

17:41:04 [lencharest]

117

17:41:48 [Kirk]

WOW!! That went fast!!

17:45:28 [lencharest]

Observe that many tests erroneously use two instances of sml:uri in the same ref, thereby making the test itself invalid.

17:46:26 [lencharest]

Some tests can be remediated by simply changing the sml:uri element names to something else.

18:14:18 [lencharest]

Kumar: Will convert spreadsheet to XML and post to public-sml.

18:19:37 [Zakim]

-Kirk

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-[Microsoft]

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XML_SMLWG()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Kirk, [Microsoft]

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scribe: Kumar Pandit

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scribenick: Kumar

18:56:54 [johnarwe_]

zakim, which meeting is this?

18:56:54 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, johnarwe_.

18:57:03 [johnarwe_]

zakim, help

18:57:03 [Zakim]

Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.

18:57:06 [Zakim]

Some of the commands I know are:

18:57:07 [Zakim]

xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx

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if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted

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xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx

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I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx

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xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group

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xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx

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who's here? - lists the participants on the phone

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who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted

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mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)

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unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#

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is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present

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list conferences - reports the active conferences

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this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx

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excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel

18:57:36 [Zakim]

I last learned something new on $Date: 2008/10/03 21:56:07 $

18:58:00 [johnarwe_]

zakim, this is sml

18:58:00 [Zakim]

johnarwe_, I see XML_SMLWG()11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be sml".

18:58:53 [Kumar]

pratul: ...describes the layout of the xlink based sml ref scheme doc.

18:59:21 [Kumar]

pratul: section 2 contains the actual definition of the scheme.

19:06:26 [Kumar]

pratul: ...further explains the scheme def using examples in the subsequent sections.

19:13:15 [Kumar]

pratul: we should ask ms about the format in which the note can be published.

19:19:27 [Kumar]

kumar: let us have msm and sandy to review the note before we vote on whether to publish the note.

19:33:38 [johnarwe_]

topic: needs review bugs

19:33:40 [johnarwe_]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6188

20:07:03 [Kumar]

kumar: we are done for the day. I will work on xml conversion of the excel data and run sml validator on the new test cases.

20:07:17 [Kumar]

kumar: the SML WG meeting is done for the day.

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