10:32:20 RRSAgent has joined #svg 10:32:21 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/28-svg-irc 10:32:21 2022 10:32:22 RRSAgent, make logs public 10:32:22 Zakim has joined #svg 10:32:24 Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG 10:32:24 ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()6:30AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago 10:32:25 Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference 10:32:26 Date: 28 October 2008 10:32:54 heh 10:32:58 I should be done with the Disposition of Comments today (first draft) 10:33:06 oh, great 10:33:24 GA_SVGWG()6:30AM has now started 10:33:31 +??P0 10:33:38 Zakim, ??P is me 10:33:38 +ed_work; got it 10:33:49 +??P1 10:33:51 Zakim, ? is me 10:33:51 +heycam; got it 10:35:52 +??P2 10:36:01 Zakim, ??P2 is me 10:36:01 +anthony; got it 10:45:39 ed__ has joined #svg 10:46:37 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=28&month=10&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1 10:47:25 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=4&month=11&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1&iv=0 10:51:54 http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023005712.GH20693@arc.mcc.id.au 10:53:00 http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023004437.GF20693@arc.mcc.id.au 10:58:10 scribeNick: ed_work 10:58:14 http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#AnimationAttributesAndProperties 10:58:20 http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#AnimationAttributesAndProperties 10:58:49 ED: so set didn't permit setting transform-lists in 1.1 either 10:59:07 ...not sure what other implementations do though, we should test it 10:59:41 CM: ok, I'll raise an issue for this 11:00:54 ED: i agree it would be useful if set could set transform-lists 11:01:10 ISSUE-2166? 11:01:10 ISSUE-2166 -- Animating @transform with -- RAISED 11:01:10 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2166 11:02:37 Topic: About animate-elem-225-t.svg, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0293.html 11:04:44 CM: I think saying the same for 'end' that is to say it's indefinite if it's invalid is the same as not having the 'end' attribute at all 11:05:00 ...if there is a slight difference in SMIL 11:05:18 ...we could say it's an unsupported value instead 11:06:48 ISSUE-2088? 11:06:48 ISSUE-2088 -- Painting chapter mentions optional color interpolation space, which is not described anywhere -- RAISED 11:06:48 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088 11:07:19 CM: at the end of the painting chapter it says something about interpolating in some other colorspaces 11:07:26 ...sounds like something from 1.1. 11:07:37 AG: was added when svgprint extended svg tiny 1.2 11:07:49 ...so that the spec can be expanded on 11:07:59 ...CL and me changed this a year ago 11:08:33 ...we were addressing some other issue I think 11:09:32 http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-svg-minutes.html#item08 11:11:42 AG: if the wording needs to be changed a bit that's fine 11:12:06 CM: maybe add "Tiny 1.2 does not require support for..." 11:12:17 AG: I could add a note after the full stop 11:12:52 CM: maybe Jon Cruz expected there to be some way in tiny to specify which colorspace to use 11:14:12 AG: there is a property in svg print 11:14:34 CM: so maybe say that color-interpolation can take other values in other svg specs 11:15:05 AG: specs may offer an alternative color-interpolation colorspace 11:15:38 CM: the optional part sounds like an authoring thing rather than for the user agent 11:16:48 CM: oh, color-interpolation doesn't exist at all in tiny 1.2 11:16:54 Future specifications may provide a means for specifying the interpolation color space. 11:17:35 Optionally user agents may use other specifications to specify an alternative interpolation color space. 11:18:10 ED: future or past maybe, since 1.1 had the color-interpolation prop 11:19:45 Other SVG specifications may provide a means for color profiles to be provided in order to specify an alternative interpolation color space. 11:20:35 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088 11:20:40 http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/ 11:23:13 CM: i'll write proposed wording and send it to the wg list 11:24:22 NH has joined #svg 11:25:02 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11 11:25:34 Hi, do we have a telcon? 11:26:27 yes 11:27:08 and hour ago 11:27:16 topic: ISSUE-2166 11:28:13 RESOLUTION: we leave set as it is for now in tiny 1.2, but revisit this issue in core-2 11:28:19 ACTION: Anthony to Respond to Cameron's email regarding ISSUE-2166 11:28:19 Created ACTION-2341 - Respond to Cameron's email regarding ISSUE-2166 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-11-04]. 11:29:11 s/an hour ago/started an hour ago/ 11:30:33 topic: ISSUE-2163 11:31:02 CM: worried that this introduces requirements for UA:s rather than being something that is just for AT:s 11:31:41 ...we don't have any tests for popup help windows 11:32:25 ...two concerns: one is that we're adding a new feature late, and two i'm doubtful that it fits in well with roles (would be happy to hear what aria/role people have to say) 11:32:26 +NH 11:33:28 ED: pointer to spec? 11:34:10 http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/struct.html#RoleAttribute 11:34:21 CM: looks like it's a should and not a must 11:34:32 ...so it would be hard to test it anyway 11:35:01 ...the contexthelp role isn't one of the roles that the WAI people have defined, it's defined by svg 11:35:45 NH has joined #svg 11:36:36 CM: so we started adding 'role' only but we haven't had any discussion on what roles svg might define 11:37:30 ED: I agree it would be nice to have one place/spec for svg-defined aria roles 11:39:42 CM: I think changes in this particular section was based on comments from the wai area people 11:40:27 ...I'd prefer to have one of the existing aria roles as an example, if that was the purpose of having this paragraph about contexthelp 11:41:34 ED: would be good to hear what DS has to say about this 11:42:42 CM: right, I'd like to hear what the intention was 11:43:28 ...let's put this on the agenda for thursday 11:44:00 Archived-At 11:45:02 CM: is everyone ok with actions on the LC comments 11:45:08 ...DS has the most 11:45:17 AG: anything we can take from him? 11:45:34 CM: asked him before and he didn't say 11:47:31 erm has joined #svg 11:50:15 topic: telcon time change 11:50:18 http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/ 11:53:06 heycam, ARIA doesn't have a suitable role for contexthelp, "tooltip" is for the appearance, not the actual role 11:54:33 "tooltip" the role or the svg element? 11:54:35 CM: note that the telcon time planner tool is based on the starting time of the telcon 11:54:53 "tooltip" just means the popup infobox 11:55:03 ...it's not your availiblity, it's just when the telcon starts + 1.5h from that time 11:55:05 not the semantic meaning 11:55:05 -anthony 11:55:24 +??P2 11:55:29 role="tooltip" you're saying? 11:55:39 correct 11:55:42 oh there's no element is there =P 11:55:46 no 11:56:01 Zakim, ??P2 is me 11:56:01 +anthony; got it 11:56:19 I talked with Al Gilman about this, and he acknowledges the distinction 11:56:49 i'm happy with that distinction then 11:57:02 but i'm still a bit concerned about the requirements for contexthelp to produce some visual behaviour 11:57:14 AG: so based on what DS says do we just need to fill in some wording then? 11:57:27 since none of the roles that aria defines do that, and (if i understand correctly, which could well not be the case) isn't what roles are for 11:57:27 topic: ISSUE-2163 11:58:13 but it's probably easier to discuss this on thursday on the call 11:59:01 -ed_work 11:59:03 -NH 11:59:05 -anthony 11:59:06 -heycam 11:59:06 GA_SVGWG()6:30AM has ended 11:59:08 Attendees were ed_work, heycam, anthony, NH 11:59:23 zakim, bye 11:59:23 Zakim has left #svg 11:59:31 rrsagent, make minutes 11:59:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/28-svg-minutes.html ed_work 12:36:44 ed_work has joined #svg 13:18:24 ed_work has joined #svg