IRC log of role on 2008-10-24
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- 10:10:25 [anne]
- anne has changed the topic to: Document under discussion: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/aria-html5-bis/
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- 10:15:45 [MichaelC]
- we should make sure "State and Property Groups for Implicit Roles" matches the ARIA taxonomy
- 10:16:20 [anne]
- (aria-html5-bis should probably be updated with respect to recent changes in HTML5 at some point, e.g. event-source -> eventsource)
- 10:18:10 [hsivonen]
- anne, also changes in ARIA
- 10:20:35 [anne]
- Focusing on two things: figuring out where holes with current HTML to MSAA mapping are in existing implementations. Figuring out what the mapping should be going forward and for new HTML elements.
- 10:22:30 [MichaelC]
- hixie: HTML would like to know what should be and what is, and of what is, what is immutable
- 10:23:29 [MichaelC]
- need to document [existing | proposed] mapping between HTML features, ARIA features, MSAA, UIA, IA2, ATK, AX
- 10:25:01 [MichaelC]
- henri: might consider that the above mappings be normative, though new APIs might come along and we'd add informative mappings
- 10:26:03 [MichaelC]
- Implementer's Guide has sore relationship to this doc
- 10:26:52 [MichaelC]
- this might be a standalone normative spec
- 10:27:14 [MichaelC]
- michael: suggest it be produced by a "joint task force between PFWG and HTML WG" which is pretty much what we have here
- 10:27:42 [hsivonen]
- https://developer.mozilla.org/en/ARIA_to_API_mapping
- 10:28:33 [MichaelC]
- present: Ian Hickson, Ben Millard, Anne van Kesteren, Cynthia Shelly, Michael Cooper, Henri Sivonen
- 10:28:52 [MichaelC]
- meeting: HTML WG Breakout on Implicit Roles
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- chair: <ad hoc>
- 10:29:04 [anne]
- present+ Marcos Caceres
- 10:30:57 [MichaelC]
- henri: there are cases where ARIA says "if information absent, do the right thing" but the right thing not explicated (look at DOM in a certain way?)
- 10:31:39 [MichaelC]
- anne: create a mapping to abstract concepts first, then map to the APIs
- 10:33:45 [MichaelC]
- henri: start with Aarons doc linked above
- 10:34:00 [MichaelC]
- michael: wiki fine, we should do it in the W3C mediawiki instnace
- 10:36:57 [MichaelC]
- work plan: let's fill out the table, and then figure out next steps on what's based around it
- 10:37:16 [MichaelC]
- Cynthia can contribute some information
- 10:37:24 [MichaelC]
- We need to figure out a way to get AX information
- 10:39:44 [MichaelC]
- Let's communicate using wai-xtech@w3.org
- 10:39:52 [MichaelC]
- using [Role] as a subject line flag
- 10:40:46 [MichaelC]
- action: Michael to add Ben, Ian, Anne to x-tech list
- 10:41:11 [anne]
- Maybe add simonp@opera.com too
- 10:41:18 [anne]
- seems only chaals and anders are on that list
- 10:41:34 [anne]
- (from Opera)
- 10:42:03 [anne]
- annevk@opera.com
- 10:42:11 [Hixie]
- ian@hixie.ch
- 10:42:22 [anne]
- cerbera@projectcerbera.com
- 10:43:46 [MichaelC]
- action: Michael, Cynthia to report to PFWG and propose to incorporate with implementer caucus work
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