IRC log of mw4d on 2008-10-24
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- zakim, good morning
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- I don't understand 'good morning', jeffs
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- zakim, make log public
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- I don't understand 'make log public', steph
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- zakim, make logs public
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- I don't understand 'make logs public', steph
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- Topic: introduction
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- scribe hendry
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- scribe: hendry
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- TOPIC: Introduction
- 07:12:14 [hendry]
- steph: Showing map of FF3 download
- 07:12:50 [hendry]
- .. holes in most of Africa (except South Africa)
- 07:13:05 [hendry]
- .. eastern europe, middle east
- 07:13:18 [hendry]
- .. most people come from developing countries
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- .. how can the Web help & improve their lives?
- 07:14:17 [hendry]
- .. Digital divide ... we need to connect people to the Web. Idea: better will have better lives as they are better connected to services
- 07:14:55 [hendry]
- s/better will/people will/
- 07:15:27 [hendry]
- .. two approaches: 1) cheap laptops, wifi, wimax (except they not in the field)
- 07:15:38 [hendry]
- 2) mobile phones which are deployed
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- .. end of 2008: 90% of the population will be covered with GSM
- 07:16:36 [marie]
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- .. example of SMS service to Get the latest market prices
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- Hello, Sina is online
- 07:18:55 [hendry]
- mib_pnh7rs: welcome :)
- 07:19:21 [hendry]
- steph: further examples of mobile banking
- 07:20:13 [hendry]
- steph: proof-of-concepts people can use simple services
- 07:21:18 [hendry]
- .. there are BUTS, huge disconnections, usability, limited impact, handful of success stories
- 07:22:53 [hendry]
- .. W3C approach is to get people together and discuss (first goal)
- 07:23:18 [hendry]
- .. 2nd goal draft a road map, identify barriers and lower them
- 07:25:18 [hendry]
- .. many ways to deploy Web services: sms, voice, widgets, native applications ...
- 07:26:12 [hendry]
- .. another point is education
- 07:27:10 [hendry]
- .. classes in mobile technologies aren't taught in Universities
- 07:27:23 [hendry]
- jeffs: except we do, to much resistance
- 07:27:35 [hendry]
- hendry: though the Web isn't taught at most universities too
- 07:28:14 [hendry]
- steph: lots of creativity, people think the mobile domain is closed
- 07:28:32 [Vagner-br]
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- 07:28:54 [marie]
- hendry: well it's not that easy to develop mobile apps...
- 07:29:18 [marie]
- steph: it's easy to develop sms apps
- 07:29:44 [marie]
- hendry: difficult to have them deploy by operators in any case
- 07:31:32 [hendry]
- steph: we should address blocked services: for e.g. walled gardens
- 07:32:12 [marie]
- ... this is one of the challenges to address in the roadmap
- 07:33:08 [hendry]
- steph: further issues: usability. E.g. widgets give a task orientated approach, which could be very helpful
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- #mw4d
- 07:33:45 [hendry]
- Lauri: welcome you're connected :)
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- steph: different approaches
- 07:35:53 [hendry]
- DKA: concerned that widgets are a bit far off. How about using the practices from the MWBP group?
- 07:37:36 [hendry]
- steph: something to look at; widgets on low end phones
- 07:37:52 [hendry]
- DKA: e.g. Opera mini might be offering such an experience
- 07:38:13 [guibao]
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- steph: affordability, good news is that some countries offer free data on prepaid deals
- 07:40:04 [hendry]
- DKA: operators should not be villified
- 07:41:25 [hendry]
- Lauri: dobMobi offer free simple mobile services. Though hosting is a problem. So there ideally should be local servers in respective countries.
- 07:41:59 [hendry]
- Lauri: suggests deploying in Universities as that's where the best connections generally are
- 07:43:56 [hendry]
- Adesina: data services are rising, esp. in Nigeria (60%)
- 07:44:59 [steph]
- slides: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/sb_mwbp/
- 07:45:26 [hendry]
- Adesina: wifi, wimax are being pushed there. Most african countries have GPRS.
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- .. suggests looking at users, health users
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- Lauri: Education is key; we have examples in Kenya. PC is required to create mobile services.
- 07:48:03 [mib_pnh7rs]
- classify end-users into knowledge workers, consumers and enterprise users
- 07:48:30 [mib_pnh7rs]
- CDMA is becoming a common data service wireless network
- 07:48:43 [hendry]
- .. however there is an Indian company that develops a tool to create Web services from a mobile
- 07:49:09 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Open source software ses to be more affordable and acceptable
- 07:49:35 [hendry]
- Lauri: best phone we manufacturer, can host an httpd service
- 07:50:31 [mib_pnh7rs]
- mHealth and mLearning services are major driver for data and SMS in Africa
- 07:51:00 [mib_pnh7rs]
- mGovernment services are also on the rise n Africa
- 07:51:02 [hendry]
- steph: moving on the Audience who are interested in solving this problem, several NGOs
- 07:51:38 [hendry]
- s/moving on/moving on:/
- 07:51:55 [hendry]
- .. be good to have people from developing counties participating
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- s/counties/countries
- 07:53:37 [hendry]
- steph: try to have impact in the short term; describing roadmap
- 07:54:26 [mib_pnh7rs]
- bUT participation from developing country is still limited, we need researchers, developers and telecom operator from these areas to participate
- 07:54:40 [r12a]
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- 07:54:52 [hendry]
- steph: describes Logistics of group. Group is open. Meeting twice a month by telecon.
- 07:55:27 [hendry]
- steph: we have an active wiki - next workshop in Africa 1Q2009
- 07:55:54 [mib_pnh7rs]
- mib_pnh7rs is Adesina
- 07:56:16 [marie]
- sb: CfP ready by end of Nov.
- 07:56:31 [hendry]
- steph: onto Introductions ...
- 07:57:47 [hendry]
- Lauri: veteran of the mobile industry from Nokia. Founded Nokia forum. Working with dotMobi.
- 07:57:51 [mib_pnh7rs]
- locally developed contents are essential
- 07:58:50 [hendry]
- Lauri: dotMobi provides many tools that could help our work
- 07:59:49 [hendry]
- DKA: from Vodafone, co-chair MWBP, worked with Lauri on dotMobi, lots of experience of mobile Web, runs Mobile Monday London ...
- 08:00:49 [hendry]
- DKA: organising lots of outreach events. Vodafone will propose David Ashbrook [sp?] to officially represent in the group.
- 08:01:31 [hendry]
- Lauri: Dan also had a great book called "Mobile Web for Dummies"
- 08:03:42 [steph]
- Present: Stephane Boyera (W3C), Lauri Hirvonen (Nokia), Dan Appelquist (Vodafone), Adesina Iluyemi (Invited Expert), Marie-Claire Forgue (W3C), Vagner Diniz (Nic.br), Jeff Sonstein (RIT), Richard Ishida (W3C), Norbert Lindenberg (Yahoo), Kai Hendry (Invited Expert), Xu Guibao (China Academy of Telecom)
- 08:03:49 [hendry]
- mib_pnh7rs: (Adesina) is a dentist by training. Interested in the health angle. Member of NEPAD Council; interested in socio-enomic dev in Africa
- 08:04:23 [hendry]
- http://nepadcouncil.org/
- 08:04:58 [hendry]
- marie: W3C member, been involved in mobile web initiative from the start
- 08:05:21 [steph]
- s/W3C member/W3C Team/
- 08:05:38 [hendry]
- .. help producing lots of outreach material
- 08:06:15 [steph]
- Digital World Forum project http://www.digitalworldforum.eu
- 08:06:19 [hendry]
- .. & events etc.
- 08:06:22 [Norbert]
- Norbert Lindenberg, Yahoo internationalization architect, member W3C Internationalization Core WG
- 08:07:29 [hendry]
- Norbert: Y! has some services in India... though no roadmap in Africa as yet
- 08:08:39 [hendry]
- Vagner: experience in promoting mobile services in Brazil
- 08:08:55 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Adesina is hoping to provide knowledge on contexts, human and organizational issues and telecom constraints in mobile services adoption and diffussion
- 08:09:02 [hendry]
- Vagner-br: concerned with business models with operators
- 08:10:24 [hendry]
- Xu: working within research. In China 210-million mobile users, 60 million mobile web users. Looking to learn.
- 08:11:31 [hendry]
- jeffs: teaches at RIT, mostly Web orientated, member of MWBP, interested in the Web potential on mobiles
- 08:12:02 [jeffs]
- s/orientated/oriented
- 08:12:34 [r12a]
- Richard Ishida, W3C Internationalization Activity Lead
- 08:13:39 [hendry]
- hendry: Invited expert with mobile experience from serveral different countries. background in free software and web.
- 08:14:13 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Adesina is a PhD candidate at the University of Portsmouth, UK
- 08:14:27 [hendry]
- r12a: partic. interested in writing systems ..
- 08:16:06 [hendry]
- Lauri: raises concerns over IDN. Nokia still need to implement it. i18n work is very important to this group.
- 08:21:21 [hendry]
- steph: (going through points of agenda/roadmap)
- 08:22:05 [hendry]
- mib_pnh7rs: need to do more outreach
- 08:23:45 [hendry]
- Lauri: we need to promote mobile solutions
- 08:24:07 [hendry]
- steph: need to identify different actors
- 08:24:33 [hendry]
- marie: we should focus on use cases
- 08:26:06 [hendry]
- mib_pnh7rs: agrees with marie
- 08:26:57 [hendry]
- steph: we have not identified a technical gap yet. we can thinking of guidelines
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- s/thinking/think
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- (break)
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- scribe: mib_pnh7rs
- 08:57:05 [mib_pnh7rs]
- aim of the group to develop mobile services for health education ect
- 08:57:44 [Norbert]
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- 08:58:03 [mib_pnh7rs]
- A report to detail how tog oa bout designing or developing mobile services in developing countries
- 08:58:55 [mib_pnh7rs]
- a handbook for this is the target
- 08:59:12 [jeffs]
- note that Google has made $10m available for "ideas that change the world": http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/annc/20080924_10to100.html
- 08:59:59 [mib_pnh7rs]
- hendry not convince about the a handbook usefulness
- 09:00:09 [Lauri]
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- 09:00:36 [mib_pnh7rs]
- not convinced about the a handbook usefulness
- 09:01:14 [jeffs]
- q+
- 09:02:22 [mib_pnh7rs]
- q+
- 09:02:34 [jeffs]
- ack jeffs
- 09:03:59 [mib_pnh7rs]
- what is the real focus technology or web?
- 09:04:09 [jeffs]
- act mib
- 09:04:14 [jeffs]
- ack mib
- 09:06:50 [marie]
- =============
- 09:07:13 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Stephane differs on suggestion, the handbook wil focus on expalining technical details on how develop mobile services
- 09:07:29 [marie]
- sms, mobile web, voice, widgets, native (java) apps, etc.
- 09:07:33 [mib_pnh7rs]
- So that developers can make informed decisions on technical issues
- 09:08:42 [mib_pnh7rs]
- NGOs use only SMS, the aim is to promote mobile web
- 09:09:12 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Luari supports book on how to create mobile web
- 09:09:32 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Adesina feels that technical issues are gap identified
- 09:10:39 [mib_pnh7rs]
- limited usage of existing technologies like voice on web and other mobile web services
- 09:11:46 [jeffs]
- Google has made $10m available for "ideas that change the world" for its 10^100 project. See: http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/annc/20080924_10to100.html ... perhaps this might be a source of funding for concrete projects with clear audience/goals/outputs
- 09:12:01 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Application such as voice XML is underutilized
- 09:13:09 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Is SMS web or not? a question bothering W3C
- 09:13:55 [mib_pnh7rs]
- discussion on SMS web on
- 09:15:34 [mib_pnh7rs]
- view on SMS as web is divided
- 09:15:55 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Q+
- 09:16:47 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Lauri, SMS has picked up in South Africa
- 09:17:40 [mib_pnh7rs]
- voice services are core to people in developing countries
- 09:18:15 [mib_pnh7rs]
- voice as in reading e-mail in the US
- 09:18:56 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Dan- mobile web now combines SMS and web now
- 09:19:25 [jeffs]
- see for example http://www.sahana.lk/ and http://www.ushahidi.com/
- 09:19:58 [marie]
- dans: look at zipico -> http://www.zipiko.com/
- 09:20:04 [marie]
- s/dans/danA
- 09:21:02 [jeffs]
- q+
- 09:21:12 [marie]
- ack mib
- 09:22:30 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Hendry object to SMS as a web paltform
- 09:23:53 [jeffs]
- ack jeffs
- 09:24:09 [jeffs]
- sms as a guaranteed delivery mechanism
- 09:24:22 [hendry]
- if SMS was addressable (URIs) and interfaces between SMS & Web were somewhat stable, I would be happier ...
- 09:24:28 [jeffs]
- sms and other services as simply input and output mechanisms to "feed" the Web
- 09:24:42 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Lauri- Cell broadcast is not supported by mobile operators, local P2P communication
- 09:24:42 [steph]
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- 09:26:32 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Appelquist- says Vodafone tested cell broadcast but cost issues discouraged further expansion, web tech. are equally useful
- 09:26:55 [jeffs]
- http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wilde-sms-uri-16.txt
- 09:28:54 [mib_pnh7rs]
- is the possibility of mobile2mobile on mobile devices by manufacturers
- 09:29:27 [mib_pnh7rs]
- moving on
- 09:30:02 [mib_pnh7rs]
- technical definition of web will be discussed further later-on
- 09:32:21 [mib_pnh7rs]
- the next topic is nature and capability of mobile devices in dev.countries to access web, the question mark is still there?
- 09:32:39 [mib_pnh7rs]
- trying to find the number of moble web users in Africa
- 09:33:27 [mib_pnh7rs]
- information mobile web users in dev.countries is limited and hard to find
- 09:34:05 [mib_pnh7rs]
- stastistics models are questionable
- 09:34:29 [marie]
- what is the resources centre name they are talking about now?
- 09:34:56 [Lauri]
- http://www.getjar.com/software
- 09:34:57 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Vodafone still trying to project mobile web users in dev. countries
- 09:35:08 [steph]
- summary: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Oct/0023.html
- 09:35:17 [steph]
- http://stats.getjar.com/statistics/
- 09:35:22 [marie]
- merci steph
- 09:36:11 [mib_pnh7rs]
- sales figure are not useful
- 09:36:37 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Hendry wants the group to carry out study to ascertain mobile we users in dev. countries
- 09:40:21 [mib_pnh7rs]
- costs of handset is also major barrier
- 09:40:37 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Age could be a factor in mobile web use in developing countries
- 09:40:53 [marie]
- cost of usage is the key
- 09:41:33 [mib_pnh7rs]
- costs of data services could be a barrier
- 09:41:37 [marie]
- lauri: daily usage figures would be interested to get
- 09:41:48 [marie]
- s/interested/interesting
- 09:42:15 [guibao]
- the content is a key factor
- 09:42:38 [hendry]
- study of the costs of handset & data services would be good too (not just device capability)
- 09:43:04 [mib_pnh7rs]
- costs of handsets and data services are major issues in a mHeath case in Africa
- 09:43:59 [hendry]
- Norbert: a second hand phone might be configured with a European (T-mobile) proxy/gateway. So a 2nd hand Web enabled phone in Africa might not work.
- 09:45:02 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Lauri, costs is an issue in a Nokia experience from Africa
- 09:46:39 [Norbert]
- Several in response to Norbert: web access is usually not tied to device; carrier will route through its own proxy
- 09:46:51 [mib_pnh7rs]
- SIM card applications might be important in developing countries to overcome handset limitations as in the Cell-Life -www.celllife.org.za
- 09:48:53 [mib_pnh7rs]
- prior exposure to internet or desktop web might be important in adoption
- 09:49:13 [mib_pnh7rs]
- moving on
- 09:49:56 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Dan to find out about mobile web enabled handset in developing countries, especially in Africa
- 09:50:28 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Jeffs, good point on OLPC mesh networking
- 09:51:13 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Wagner to share report on mGov in Brazil
- 09:51:30 [DKA]
- BBC Digital planet podcasts: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/digital_planet.shtml
- 09:52:09 [mib_pnh7rs]
- advanced mobile applications from Brazil
- 09:52:14 [DKA]
- q?
- 09:53:23 [DKA]
- q+ to suggest W3C build and provide a definitive database
- 09:53:44 [mib_pnh7rs]
- survey to collect mobile phones with web, but it is going to be expensive
- 09:55:12 [mib_pnh7rs]
- using IMEI to track mobile web enabled phones
- 09:55:48 [hendry]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMEI
- 09:56:17 [mib_pnh7rs]
- collaborative operators on IMEI numbers
- 09:58:04 [mib_pnh7rs]
- IMEI is fit for our purpose for web enabled mobile phone
- 09:58:14 [mib_pnh7rs]
- moving on
- 09:58:20 [jeffs]
- zakim, who is on?
- 09:58:20 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, jeffs.
- 09:58:25 [jeffs]
- zakim, who is on the call
- 09:58:25 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the call', jeffs
- 09:58:34 [marie]
- zakim, who's on the phone,
- 09:58:34 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's on the phone,', marie
- 09:58:44 [jeffs]
- zakim, sometimes I hate you & sometimes I love you
- 09:58:44 [Zakim]
- I don't understand you, jeffs
- 09:59:54 [guibao]
- maybe how to serve the user in developed country is useful to the developing countryies.
- 10:00:22 [marie]
- and who is the user?
- 10:00:29 [jeffs]
- s/countryies/countries
- 10:00:44 [marie]
- unicode support is a big issue
- 10:00:58 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Norbert- thanks jeffs
- 10:01:09 [guibao]
- including the services, security tech
- 10:01:18 [mib_pnh7rs]
- No information mobile web codings
- 10:01:20 [marie]
- hard to get good fonts in phones
- 10:01:32 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Yahoo is trying to work on some codings in India
- 10:02:02 [hendry]
- r12a & Norbert: raises concerns that mobiles typically don't have input methods (in India) and open type fonts
- 10:02:14 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Java script is useful
- 10:02:50 [hendry]
- Norbert: javascript localdate function will probably break as it is often not customised for the locality
- 10:03:02 [mib_pnh7rs]
- local language is an issue with Java script rntime
- 10:03:23 [mib_pnh7rs]
- texts and mobile screen an issue
- 10:03:42 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Lauri, native language important
- 10:04:17 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Nokia experience with local languages in India, with numerous languages is an issue
- 10:04:23 [jeffs]
- zakim, who is here
- 10:04:23 [Zakim]
- jeffs, you need to end that query with '?'
- 10:04:27 [jeffs]
- zakim, who is here?
- 10:04:27 [Zakim]
- sorry, jeffs, I don't know what conference this is
- 10:04:28 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see steph, Lauri, Norbert, r12a, DKA, guibao, Vagner-br, mib_pnh7rs, marie, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeffs, hendry
- 10:04:44 [hendry]
- q+
- 10:04:47 [Norbert]
- q+ norbert
- 10:05:58 [hendry]
- mib_pnh7rs: icons should be considered
- 10:06:05 [marie]
- ack rob
- 10:06:13 [marie]
- ack norb
- 10:06:13 [mib_pnh7rs]
- text inputs using icons will be very useful
- 10:06:47 [mib_pnh7rs]
- content in local language very important
- 10:07:38 [hendry]
- Norbert: example of Y! producting a Vietnamese magazine about how to use the services in step-by-step screenshots
- 10:07:42 [marie]
- q?
- 10:07:46 [mib_pnh7rs]
- fonts and accessibility important
- 10:07:48 [steph]
- q+
- 10:07:51 [DKA]
- ack dka
- 10:07:51 [Zakim]
- DKA, you wanted to suggest W3C build and provide a definitive database
- 10:08:05 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Hendry- dejavu font
- 10:08:07 [steph]
- ack hendry
- 10:08:08 [marie]
- hendry: dejavu fonts open source project
- 10:08:10 [jeffs]
- ack hend
- 10:08:25 [guibao]
- icons are needed,but the bandwidth is a problem,so the answer is on the terminal device?
- 10:08:45 [mib_pnh7rs]
- linking fonts with document already in W3C work
- 10:08:45 [hendry]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejavu_fonts
- 10:08:46 [marie]
- http://sourceforge.net/projects/dejavu
- 10:08:55 [Lauri]
- q+
- 10:09:32 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Norbert, special fonts for mobile, aside from desktop is essential
- 10:09:34 [steph]
- ack lauri
- 10:10:14 [hendry]
- Lauri: suggests communicating by video
- 10:10:50 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Nokia experience with graphics and images for education positive
- 10:12:07 [mib_pnh7rs]
- q+
- 10:13:10 [steph]
- ack steph
- 10:13:12 [steph]
- ack mib
- 10:15:10 [mib_pnh7rs]
- local language in written format might be dificult
- 10:15:42 [mib_pnh7rs]
- myths on spoken English rife
- 10:17:50 [Norbert]
- India: about 50 million know and are educated in English; another 50 million understand English but prefer local language; 1 billion does not know English
- 10:18:08 [mib_pnh7rs]
- India- wrapping up
- 10:19:11 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Only educated few in developing countries can speak colonial languages such as English, French, Spanish etc...
- 10:19:42 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Norbert to advice within W3C on this group
- 10:20:03 [mib_pnh7rs]
- within the internalzation group
- 10:20:38 [mib_pnh7rs]
- To connect with Norbert on African and Asian internationalization group
- 10:21:28 [r12a]
- s/internalzation/internationalization/
- 10:23:53 [steph]
- action: stephane to connect with african and asian communities on i18n issues through richard/i18n group
- 10:25:38 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Wagner presenting on mGov in Brazil
- 10:25:44 [steph]
- s/
- 10:25:53 [steph]
- s/Wagner/Vagner.
- 10:26:28 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Vagner om wireless and mobile infrastructure and devices for mGov in Brazil
- 10:27:04 [mib_pnh7rs]
- 74% use mobile in Brazil
- 10:27:53 [mib_pnh7rs]
- 21% out of 74% users mobile web devices in Brazil
- 10:28:08 [steph]
- http://www.cetic.br.tic/2007/indicadores-cgibr-2007.pdf
- 10:28:15 [mib_pnh7rs]
- 74% = 140 million people
- 10:28:15 [Norbert]
- ...only 25% have desktop or notebook computers
- 10:28:45 [mib_pnh7rs]
- link to Vagner PPT-http://www.cetic.br.tic/2007/indicadores-cgibr-2007.pdf
- 10:29:07 [jeffs]
- http://www.cetic.br/tic/2007/indicadores-cgibr-2007.pdf
- 10:29:26 [Lauri]
- Corection: http://www.cetic.br/tic/2007/indicadores-cgibr-2007.pdf
- 10:29:29 [steph]
- http://www.cetic.br/tic/2007/indicadores-cgibr-2007.pdf
- 10:29:32 [steph]
- :)
- 10:29:37 [steph]
- sorry
- 10:29:49 [mib_pnh7rs]
- 5% of 74% mobile users use devices for internet in Brazil
- 10:31:01 [Lauri]
- The file is 5.74 MB, takes long to open here.
- 10:32:47 [mib_pnh7rs]
- advanced uses of mGov services like income tax return declaration in Brazil
- 10:33:07 [Lauri]
- document has 358 pages !
- 10:36:36 [jeffs]
- bbcnews-tweet "Free text messages to mobile phones will soon be helping encourage South Africans to get tested for HIV." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7688268.stm
- 10:38:04 [Norbert]
- Vagner: discussing success stories, starting slide 15
- 10:38:23 [mib_pnh7rs]
- There is a indigenious company in Rwanda that has designed SMS system for customers to pay their energy bills
- 10:39:49 [Norbert]
- Vagner: carnival information, bill payment via post office, ...
- 10:40:39 [mib_pnh7rs]
- check out this mHealth case using PDA in Uganda-http://pda.healthnet.org/
- 10:42:54 [Norbert]
- Vagner: free information for job seekers, agrobusiness via SMS, state of Parana
- 10:43:07 [mib_pnh7rs]
- teacher and SMS in Kenya-http://tilz.tearfund.org/Publications/Footsteps+71-80/Footsteps+71/Using+mobile+phones+-+Training+teachers+with+text+messages.htm
- 10:44:16 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Check out this article also-http://www.wlv.ac.uk/PDF/cidt-article20.pdf
- 10:44:56 [Norbert]
- Vagner: issue: services are all free - who pays? business model? information security and privacy?
- 10:45:01 [marie]
- q?
- 10:47:12 [mib_pnh7rs]
- Check this link in Kenya-http://thdblog.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/sms-and-text-messaging-for-health/
- 10:48:33 [mib_pnh7rs]
- I have paper on mHealth service business models in developing countries
- 10:48:59 [steph]
- links ?
- 10:48:59 [Lauri]
- Discussion of the Mobile Internet for Dummies book: http://mobileinternet.typepad.com/dummies/
- 10:50:08 [mib_pnh7rs]
- I will e-mail it to you, kindly remind me
- 10:51:49 [steph]
- please mail the list
- 10:51:55 [steph]
- it is interesting to all
- 10:52:14 [jeffs]
- q+
- 10:54:18 [steph]
- ack jeff
- 10:54:27 [mib_pnh7rs]
- q+
- 10:54:53 [steph]
- jeff: good to hear that the services came from the bottom-up pressoin
- 10:55:07 [mib_pnh7rs]
- bottom-up aprroach the driver in Brazil
- 10:55:21 [Norbert]
- Vagner: reasons for early adoption of mobile: popular demand for better services; widely available 3G mobile technology; competition between state governments
- 10:55:54 [steph]
- vagner: killer applications in brazil:health
- 10:55:59 [steph]
- but nobody wants to invest it
- 10:56:10 [steph]
- and particularly delivering it for free
- 10:56:11 [steph]
- ack mib
- 10:56:26 [jeffs]
- ack jefs
- 10:56:27 [steph]
- adesina: who is the driver of innovative services?
- 10:56:38 [steph]
- in africa: a mix of bottom-up and top-down
- 10:56:45 [jeffs]
- s/pressoin/pressure
- 10:57:09 [steph]
- adesina: ngo is the voice of the bottom of the pyramid
- 10:58:59 [steph]
- q?
- 10:59:02 [hendry]
- q+
- 11:00:47 [mib_pnh7rs]
- www.celllife.org.za uses web
- 11:00:48 [hendry]
- hendry: wondering if any services were moving to the Web from SMS?
- 11:00:57 [hendry]
- Vagner-br: nothing has changed over the years
- 11:02:01 [mib_pnh7rs]
- http://www.cell-life.org/
- 11:02:36 [steph]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/02/MS4D_WS/papers
- 11:02:51 [steph]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/02/MS4D_WS/papers/unicef-w3c-presentation.html
- 11:03:36 [guibao]
- the key factor is what does the user require and meet it.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/24-mw4d-minutes.html steph
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