IRC log of rif on 2008-10-21

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14:30:52 [ChrisW]

zakim, this will be rif

14:30:52 [Zakim]

ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 30 minutes

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-rif-minutes.html ChrisW

14:31:36 [ChrisW]

Meeting: RIF Telecon 21-Oct-08

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Chair: Chris Welty

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Oct/0083.html

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ChrisW has changed the topic to: 21 Oct RIF Telecon Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Oct/0083.html

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rrsagent, make logs public

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zakim, who is here?

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apparently SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended, sandro

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On IRC I see sandro, DaveReynolds, RRSAgent, ChrisW, Zakim, trackbot

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SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started

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+ +1.914.784.aaaa

15:00:23 [ChrisW]

zakim, aaaa is me

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+ChrisW; got it

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+StuartTaylor

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+Sandro

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+Mike_Dean

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+[IBM]

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zakim, ibm is temporarily me

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+StellaMitchell; got it

15:02:24 [ChrisW]

hassan, will you be able to scribe today?

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15:03:07 [ChrisW]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:07 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ChrisW, StuartTaylor, Sandro, Mike_Dean, StellaMitchell

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-StuartTaylor

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+josb

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+Hassan

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+??P13

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+??P14

15:04:26 [ChrisW]

Scribe: Hassan

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+ +43.158.801.3aabb

15:04:46 [ChrisW]

Last week's minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Oct/att-0017/2008-10-07-minutes.html

15:04:57 [ChrisW]

PROPOSED: accept minutes of last telecon

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RESOLVED: accept minutes of last telecon

15:05:25 [Harold]

zakim, +43.158.801.3aabb is me

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+Harold; got it

15:05:33 [ChrisW]

zakim, take up item 2

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agendum 2. "Action Review" taken up [from ChrisW]

15:05:37 [Hassan]

No telecon on Oct. 28 - meetin cancelled

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+Gary

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s/meetin/meeting/

15:05:53 [ChrisW]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:05:53 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ChrisW, Sandro, Mike_Dean, StellaMitchell, josb, Hassan, DaveReynolds, ??P14, Harold, Gary

15:06:35 [yzhao]

zakim, ??P14 is me

15:06:35 [Zakim]

+yzhao; got it

15:07:03 [sandro]

action-621 done

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ACTION-621: done

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ACTION-621 Start F2F12 wiki page notes added

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ACTION-621 done

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ACTION-621 complete

15:07:53 [DaveReynolds]

ACTION-621: completed

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ACTION-621 Start F2F12 wiki page notes added

15:07:56 [josb]

ACTION-621 is done

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ACTION-621 closed

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ACTION-621 Start F2F12 wiki page closed

15:10:47 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:11:08 [ChrisW]

zakim, who is on the call

15:11:08 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the call', ChrisW

15:11:11 [ChrisW]

zakim, who is on the call?

15:11:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ChrisW, Sandro, Mike_Dean, StellaMitchell, josb, Hassan (muted), DaveReynolds, yzhao, Harold, Gary, [IPcaller]

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zakim, [ipcaller] is AdrianP

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+AdrianP; got it

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+Michael_Kifer

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zakim, who is on the call?

15:14:39 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ChrisW, Sandro, Mike_Dean, StellaMitchell, josb, Hassan (muted), DaveReynolds, yzhao, Harold, Gary, AdrianP, Michael_Kifer

15:15:04 [StuartTaylor]

Zakim, StuartTaylor is with yzhao

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+StuartTaylor; got it

15:15:49 [sandro]

action-613 closed

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ACTION-613 Put f2f12 on agenda next week closed

15:17:17 [ChrisW]

zakim, take up item 3

15:17:17 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Core" taken up [from ChrisW]

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PROPOSED: Core should keep safe disjunction in rule bodies. Implementations can be direct or use a well-known preprocessing step.

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RESOLVED: Core should keep safe disjunction in rule bodies. Implementations can be direct or use a well-known preprocessing step.

15:18:54 [DaveReynolds]

It was Issue-75 I thinkg

15:19:34 [ChrisW]

PROPOSED: Core should keep safe disjunction in rule bodies. Implementations can be direct or use a well-known preprocessing step.

15:19:44 [ChrisW]

PROPOSED: CLose Issue-75

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RESOLVED: Close Issue-75

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action: Chris to close issue 75

15:20:10 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-622 - Close issue 75 [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-10-28].

15:21:18 [Hassan]

Harold discussing 2 sorts of "safeness"

15:21:20 [josb]

I already said last week I'm fine with either choice

15:21:43 [ChrisW]

PROPOSED: Parameterize the conformance clauses of Core with

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safeness requirements "strict" and "none" (default: "none").

15:22:11 [ChrisW]

PROPOSED: Parameterize the conformance clauses of Core with safeness requirements "strict" and "none" (default: "none").

15:22:51 [ChrisW]

action: chris to put proposal in agenda for next telecon (to close issue-70)

15:22:51 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-623 - Put proposal in agenda for next telecon (to close issue-70) [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-10-28].

15:24:43 [Hassan]

DaveReynolds: Looking for definition of Skolem functions that would suit both BLD and PRD. But this looks like two different concepts.

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ChrisW: Does this mean Skloem functions should not be on Core?

15:25:48 [Hassan]

DaveReynolds: Not necessarily - just that the logical notion is not good for PRD.

15:26:14 [Hassan]

Harold: member is in Core - but not subclass

15:26:41 [ChrisW]

zakim, take up item 4

15:26:41 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "UCR" taken up [from ChrisW]

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ChrisW: these are the 2 things remaining to discuss for Core

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s/Skloem/Skolem/

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AdrianPaschke: Updated some examples in the UCR document to use the canonical syntax

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DaveReynolds: discusses the changes needed in his UCR examples (frames vs. predicates)

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-Mike_Dean

15:32:42 [DaveReynolds]

The 4.2 example seems to use nested frames - I didn't think that was supported in BLD PS.

15:34:02 [Hassan]

ChrisW: looking for reviewers of the UCR document after AP is done with it (two weeks)

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action: stella to review UCR in two weeks

15:34:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-624 - Review UCR in two weeks [on Stella Mitchell - due 2008-10-28].

15:34:21 [ChrisW]

zakim, pick a victim

15:34:21 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael_Kifer

15:34:46 [ChrisW]

zakim, pick a victim

15:34:46 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Gary

15:35:06 [ChrisW]

action: Gary to review UCR in two weeks

15:35:07 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-625 - Review UCR in two weeks [on Gary Hallmark - due 2008-10-28].

15:35:19 [ChrisW]

zakim, take up item 5

15:35:19 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "SWC" taken up [from ChrisW]

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http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/SWC

15:36:51 [Hassan]

ChrisW: asking for comments before we publish this? discussion?

15:38:01 [Hassan]

ChrisW: asking for reviewers for the SWC document...

15:38:13 [ChrisW]

action: sandro freeze RDF&OWL

15:38:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-626 - Freeze RDF&OWL [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-10-28].

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action: Chris to review RDF&OWL

15:38:23 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-627 - Review RDF&OWL [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-10-28].

15:38:58 [sandro]

zakim, who is on the call?

15:38:58 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ChrisW, Sandro, StellaMitchell, josb, Hassan (muted), DaveReynolds, yzhao, Harold, Gary, AdrianP, Michael_Kifer

15:39:01 [Zakim]

yzhao has yzhao, StuartTaylor

15:39:08 [ChrisW]

zakim, pick a victim

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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Hassan (muted)

15:39:23 [ChrisW]

zakim, pick a victim

15:39:23 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose AdrianP

15:39:39 [ChrisW]

zakim, pick a victim

15:39:39 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose AdrianP

15:39:43 [ChrisW]

zakim, pick a victim

15:39:43 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisW

15:39:45 [ChrisW]

zakim, pick a victim

15:39:45 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose StuartTaylor

15:40:15 [Hassan]

Stuart are U there?

15:40:23 [StuartTaylor]

sorry ChrisW phone problems again

15:40:33 [StuartTaylor]

yes, I'll do that

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action: StuartTaylor to review RDF&OWL in two weeks

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Sorry, couldn't find user - StuartTaylor

15:40:48 [yzhao]

I can also review it

15:41:00 [ChrisW]

action: YutingZhao to review RDF&OWL in two weeks

15:41:00 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - YutingZhao

15:41:26 [ChrisW]

action: Yuting to review RDF&OWL in two weeks

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action: Stuart to review RDF&OWL in two weeks

15:42:03 [sandro]

action-600?

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issue-1?

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trackbot, help?

15:42:17 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-628 - Review RDF&OWL in two weeks [on Yuting Zhao - due 2008-10-28].

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Created ACTION-629 - Review RDF&OWL in two weeks [on Stuart Taylor - due 2008-10-28].

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ACTION-600 -- Christopher Welty to draft revised metadata conformance wording for BLD -- due 2008-10-03 -- CLOSED

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http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/actions/600

15:42:22 [trackbot]

ISSUE-1 -- This is a test issue. Please ignore. -- CLOSED

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http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/1

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See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

15:43:07 [ChrisW]

zakim, list agenda

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I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. Admin [from ChrisW]

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2. Action Review [from ChrisW]

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3. Core [from ChrisW]

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4. UCR [from ChrisW]

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5. SWC [from ChrisW]

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6. Test Cases [from ChrisW]

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7. Liason [from ChrisW]

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8. Public Comments [from ChrisW]

15:43:15 [ChrisW]

zakim, take up item 6

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9. Pick Scribe [from ChrisW]

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10. AOB [from ChrisW]

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agendum 6. "Test Cases" taken up [from ChrisW]

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http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Category:Test_Case

15:46:03 [Hassan]

Discussing the "Disjuctive Information from Negative Guards" test case

15:46:26 [Hassan]

ChrisW: there are two cases

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s/Discussing/ChrisW: Discussing/

15:47:43 [Hassan]

ChrisW: discussing: Equality in conclusion 1, Equality in conclusion 2, Inconsistent Entailment - all seem to look good

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+Mike_Dean

15:48:38 [Hassan]

ChrisW: discussing No polymorphic symbols, Non-Annotation Entailment - both seem to look good

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ChrisW: discussing http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Category:Proposed

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ChirsW: Annotation Entailment needs to be discussed

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s/ChirsW/ChrisW/

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PROPOSED: accept TC http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Annotation_Entailment

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ChrisW: this case is about annotation in OWL

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RESOLVED: accept TC http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Annotation_Entailment

15:50:56 [StellaMitchell]

yes

15:51:32 [ChrisW]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Argument_names_not_Const

15:52:53 [sandro]

sandro: Wow -- that's not what I was expecting. I dont like that. We should allow IRIs.

15:53:27 [josb]

"The argument names in ArgNames are written as unicode strings that must not start with a question mark, "?"."

15:54:01 [DaveReynolds]

a countably infinite set of argument names, ArgNames (disjoint from Const and Var)

15:54:36 [sandro]

sandro: So maybe no one cares that Named Arguments are broken like this, since no one is ever going to use Named Arguments. :-( :-(

15:55:05 [sandro]

_p("http://example.com/example#a"->4)

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(that IS okay)

15:55:42 [sandro]

_p("http://example.com/example#a"->4) IS OKAY

15:55:49 [josb]

"http://example.com/example#a"^^xsd:string

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_p(<http://example.com/example#a>->4) NOT OKAY

15:56:04 [Hassan]

JosB: points out that shorthands syntax is interfering with this...

15:56:15 [StellaMitchell]

yes, they are in DTB

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q+

15:57:15 [StellaMitchell]

yes, it just can be a string that satisfies the syntaxs of a constant

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cannot, I mean

15:57:31 [Hassan]

all: discussing the ambiguous syntax of identifiers

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it can be anything except something that is syntactically a constant

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q?

15:57:50 [ChrisW]

ack hassan

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q+

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q?

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q-

15:59:39 [ChrisW]

action: open issue on ambiguity in presentation syntax

15:59:39 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - open

15:59:48 [ChrisW]

action: chris to open issue on ambiguity in presentation syntax

15:59:48 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-630 - Open issue on ambiguity in presentation syntax [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-10-28].

16:01:03 [josb]

q+

16:01:05 [Zakim]

-Mike_Dean

16:01:45 [StellaMitchell]

the BLD doc does give a reason for argname different from conts

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http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/BLD#Terms

16:02:09 [Hassan]

discussing the rationale of syntactic choices ...

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ack jos

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http://example.com/example#a

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_p(http://example.com/example#a->4)

16:03:12 [Hassan]

JosB: IRI's and Strings are usable there (as slots) but we need a means to identify that case.

16:03:46 [Gary]

why don't we just get rid of named arg uniterms?

16:03:59 [josb]

:)

16:04:09 [Hassan]

All: discussing the nature of named-argument terms' slots

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q-

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q-

16:04:49 [sandro]

Sandro: Oh, okay, I remember now why these argument names can't be constants (like slot names) -- we don't want equality to apply (as Michael is saying) -- we want them to be purely syntactic sugar.

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Hassan, hello?

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hello

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q+

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q-

16:06:40 [StellaMitchell]

I can do that test case

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JosB: let use the XML not the PS when the latter is ambiguous

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I can

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s/let/let's/

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will make xml versions of all the test

16:07:15 [ChrisW]

action: Stella make a positive syntax test version of Argument names not Const

16:07:16 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-631 - Make a positive syntax test version of Argument names not Const [on Stella Mitchell - due 2008-10-28].

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test

16:08:30 [ChrisW]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Class_Membership

16:10:55 [sandro]

Can someone read this in English: fam:isParent(?Y ?X):- And (?Y=fam:Uwe fam:Uwe#fam:Parent ?X=fam:Adrian fam:Adrian#fam:Child)

16:12:58 [josb]

q+

16:13:00 [DaveReynolds]

q+

16:13:27 [DaveReynolds]

q-

16:13:38 [DaveReynolds]

Exactly what I was going to say!

16:13:50 [Hassan]

JosB: I don't understand the purpose of the TC - should be simpler to illustrate membership

16:13:52 [sandro]

Sandro: Yes, please, let's do this in a much simpler way.

16:13:58 [josb]

q-

16:14:24 [ChrisW]

action: adrian to shorten test case Class Membership

16:14:24 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - adrian

16:14:34 [ChrisW]

action: apaschke to shorten test case Class Membership

16:14:34 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - apaschke

16:14:40 [ChrisW]

action: paschke to shorten test case Class Membership

16:14:40 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - paschke

16:14:51 [ChrisW]

action: adrianp to shorten test case Class Membership

16:14:51 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - adrianp

16:15:09 [Hassan]

I concur with Sandro: the last rule makes no sense ...

16:15:21 [sandro]

Sandro: It's baffling to have Adrian named in the body of the isParent rule.

16:16:17 [ChrisW]

action: sandro to ask adiran to shorten test case Class Membership

16:16:17 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-632 - Ask adiran to shorten test case Class Membership [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-10-28].

16:16:26 [StellaMitchell]

q+

16:17:48 [sandro]

Sandro: I've been assuming we'd use the Prefix(...) declarations from the Premise in the Conclusion condition.

16:19:33 [Hassan]

I fully concur with Jos on this - I already requested this (Prefix and Base are pragmas)

16:19:45 [sandro]

Jos: Just say the the conclusion has the Prefix copied from the Premise

16:20:13 [StellaMitchell]

a lot of the test case conclusions are not documents, but they are condition formulas

16:20:29 [StellaMitchell]

and the xml validates by bldcond.xsd and not bldrule.xsd

16:21:29 [Hassan]

s/adiran/AdrianPaschke/

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q+

16:22:18 [StellaMitchell]

q-

16:24:10 [josb]

pre:local

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=http://bla#local

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(if Prefix(pre http://bla#local))

16:25:06 [Hassan]

q-

16:25:07 [StellaMitchell]

write conclusions in fully expanded format

16:25:18 [StellaMitchell]

or anglebracket iri form

16:26:26 [Hassan]

I agree with DaveReynolds - separting the macroexpansion from the syntax analysis

16:26:30 [StellaMitchell]

I think fully expanded it ok

16:26:37 [Hassan]

s/separt/separat/

16:28:03 [Hassan]

DaveRaynolds: no - I propose to separate the pragmas from the examples

16:28:35 [Hassan]

I agree wit Dave - that is what I proposed earlier

16:28:54 [Hassan]

s/DaveRay/DaveRey/

16:29:45 [ChrisW]

action: chris to discuss how to specify prefixes on email

16:29:45 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-633 - Discuss how to specify prefixes on email [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-10-28].

16:29:57 [Hassan]

BTW: What Dave is porposing is what we did De Facto in the previous versions using namespaces

16:30:07 [Hassan]

s/porpo/propo/

16:30:40 [Hassan]

AOB?

16:30:48 [Zakim]

-Michael_Kifer

16:30:49 [sandro]

Sandro: Agreed -- namespace handling of the presentation syntax of the conclusion is something test-case-specific, not BLD-general.

16:30:50 [Zakim]

-Gary

16:30:50 [Hassan]

+1 to adjourn

16:30:52 [Zakim]

-AdrianP

16:30:54 [Zakim]

-StellaMitchell

16:30:54 [DaveReynolds]

bye

16:30:57 [Zakim]

-josb

16:30:58 [Zakim]

-Harold

16:30:58 [Zakim]

-Hassan

16:31:00 [Zakim]

-DaveReynolds

16:31:00 [ChrisW]

zakim, list attendees

16:31:00 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been +1.914.784.aaaa, ChrisW, StuartTaylor, Sandro, Mike_Dean, StellaMitchell, josb, Hassan, DaveReynolds, Harold, Gary, yzhao, AdrianP,

16:31:04 [Zakim]

... Michael_Kifer

16:31:07 [yzhao]

ye

16:31:12 [ChrisW]

Leora Morgenstern (Sukkot) StuartTaylor ChanghaiKe Christian de Sainte Marie (at risk) PaulVincent

16:31:28 [ChrisW]

Regrets: Leora Morgenstern (Sukkot) StuartTaylor ChanghaiKe Christian de Sainte Marie (at risk) PaulVincent

16:31:30 [sandro]

zakim, who is here?

16:31:30 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ChrisW, Sandro, yzhao

16:31:31 [Zakim]

yzhao has yzhao, StuartTaylor

16:31:32 [Zakim]

On IRC I see StuartTaylor, Hassan, mkifer, Gary, Harold, mdean, sandro, RRSAgent, ChrisW, Zakim, trackbot

16:32:02 [ChrisW]

rrsagent, make minutes

16:32:02 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-rif-minutes.html ChrisW

16:32:02 [sandro]

Zakim, yzhao is Hassan

16:32:02 [Zakim]

+Hassan; got it

16:32:07 [sandro]

zakim, who is here?

16:32:07 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ChrisW, Sandro, Hassan

16:32:08 [Zakim]

Hassan has yzhao, StuartTaylor

16:32:09 [Zakim]

On IRC I see StuartTaylor, Hassan, mkifer, Gary, Harold, mdean, sandro, RRSAgent, ChrisW, Zakim, trackbot

16:32:27 [ChrisW]

rrsagent, make logs public

16:33:37 [sandro]

http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-rif-minutes.html

16:33:39 [Hassan]

hello

16:33:41 [sandro]

http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-rif-minutes.html

16:33:42 [sandro]

http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-rif-minutes.html

16:33:47 [sandro]

:_)

16:34:45 [Zakim]

-Hassan

16:36:40 [Zakim]

-ChrisW

16:36:42 [Zakim]

-Sandro

16:36:43 [Zakim]

SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended

16:36:45 [Zakim]

Attendees were +1.914.784.aaaa, ChrisW, StuartTaylor, Sandro, Mike_Dean, StellaMitchell, josb, Hassan, DaveReynolds, Harold, Gary, AdrianP, Michael_Kifer