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08:46:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
08:46:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()4:00AM scheduled to start 46 minutes ago
08:46:21 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
08:46:21 <trackbot> Date: 16 October 2008
08:46:36 <ed_work> Zakim, what's the passcode?
08:46:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 7842 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ed_work
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08:46:52 <Zakim> +??P0
08:47:02 <ed_work> Zakim, ?? is me
08:47:02 <Zakim> +ed_work; got it
08:47:04 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
08:48:02 <Zakim> +NH
08:48:54 <ed_work> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11
08:51:04 <ed_work> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2055
08:56:57 <ed_work> ACTION: ed to take over the scope-chain removal action from heycam and address ISSUE-2055
08:56:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2303 - Take over the scope-chain removal action from heycam and address ISSUE-2055 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-23].
08:59:12 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2141
09:03:19 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2146
09:08:21 <ed_work> RESOLUTION: Remove sentence "If the user agent cannot find a graphics element or SVGElementInstance object to be the target object (e.g., the pointer event occurs over the viewport background), then the user agent must set the target object to be the rootmost 'svg' element." from the interactivity chapter
09:08:52 <ed_work> RATIONALE: This was not in SVG 1.1, and also contradicts the step-by-step instructions below
09:12:38 <ed_work> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/master/interact.html.diff?r1=1.55&r2=1.56&f=h
09:16:36 <ed_work> ACTION: DS to remove the sentence "If the user agent cannot find a graphics element or SVGElementInstance object to be the target object (e.g., the pointer event occurs over the viewport background), then the user agent must set the target object to be the rootmost 'svg' element." from the interactivity chapter and respond to LC comment, ISSUE-2146
09:16:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2304 - Remove the sentence \"If the user agent cannot find a graphics element or SVGElementInstance object to be the target object (e.g., the pointer event occurs over the viewport background), then the user agent must set the target object to be the rootmost 'svg' element.\" from the interactivity chapter and respond to LC comment, ISSUE-2146 [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-23].
09:17:18 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2148
09:23:02 <ed_work> ACTION: ed to Clarify script outside rootmost svg element wording in the scripting chapter (ISSUE-2148) and respond to cyril
09:23:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2305 - Clarify script outside rootmost svg element wording in the scripting chapter (ISSUE-2148) and respond to cyril [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-23].
09:23:40 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2098
09:25:59 <ed_work> Modifying a 'script' element's 'xlink:href' attribute after its "already processed" flag is set to true will not cause any new script content to be fetched or executed.
09:26:14 <ed_work> not exactly it though
09:28:34 <ed_work> ACTION: ed to address ISSUE-2098, the script element should be removed but this won't affect script execution
09:28:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2306 - Address ISSUE-2098, the script element should be removed but this won't affect script execution [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-23].
09:31:22 <Zakim> -ed_work
09:31:23 <Zakim> -NH
09:31:27 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
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09:31:29 <Zakim> Attendees were ed_work, Doug_Schepers, NH
10:35:37 <anthony> ed_work, shepazu, NH, just got back
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11:16:06 <ed_work> hey anthony
11:16:52 <anthony> looks like Olaf got back to me about issue 2082
11:16:57 <anthony> I've closed that off
11:17:16 <ed_work> cool
11:17:28 <anthony> we need to discuss 2089
11:17:47 <ed_work> I've just committed what I hope will address ISSUE-2062
11:18:04 <ed_work> so, I think what's left there is to send a response to doh
11:19:09 <ed_work> I'll run make too, and check in the publish version in a moment
11:20:17 <anthony> ok
11:21:09 <ed_work> NH: ping?
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11:27:00 <ed_work> trackbot, close ACTION-2285
11:27:01 <trackbot> ACTION-2285 Clarify the second point of Issue-2062 closed
11:27:13 <NH> I'll call in shortly, just got back from lunch
11:27:38 <ed_work> great ok
11:27:53 <ed_work> I think if someone wants to reply to ISSUE-2062 that should be possible now
11:28:05 <ed_work> no more spec editing should be needed
11:30:03 <ed_work> trackbot, start telcon
11:30:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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11:30:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
11:30:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see GA_SVGWG()4:00AM already started
11:30:08 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
11:30:08 <trackbot> Date: 16 October 2008
11:30:14 <ed_work> Zakim, who's here?
11:30:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
11:30:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see lmartine, RRSAgent, ed_work, NH, shepazu, anthony, trackbot
11:30:20 <ed_work> Zakim, [IP is me
11:30:20 <Zakim> +ed_work; got it
11:32:20 <anthony> Zakim, code
11:32:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', anthony
11:32:22 <anthony> Zakim, code?
11:32:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 7842 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anthony
11:32:49 <Zakim> +NH
11:33:29 <Zakim> +??P2
11:33:43 <anthony> Zakim, ??P2
11:33:43 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P2', anthony
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11:36:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
11:36:56 <aemmons> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
11:36:56 <Zakim> +aemmons; got it
11:37:21 <ed_work> scribe: erik
11:37:28 <ed_work> scribeNick: ed_work
11:37:32 <ed_work> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2089
11:37:40 <ed_work> topic: ISSUE-2089
11:37:42 <aemmons> zakim, who is here?
11:37:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see ed_work, NH, ??P2, aemmons
11:37:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see aemmons, Zakim, lmartine, RRSAgent, ed_work, NH, shepazu, anthony, trackbot
11:37:59 <Zakim> -NH
11:38:47 <ed_work> AG: DOH gives an explanation of underlying values
11:39:08 <ed_work> ...makes some conclusions based on the spec wording
11:39:45 <ed_work> ...thinks it's just a misunderstand of SMIL
11:40:07 <ed_work> ...and animateTranform is in conflict with the SMIL definitions
11:40:24 <ed_work> ...not sure the suggestions are good since I'm not sure how it affects animations
11:46:34 <ed_work> AG/AE: agree with the paragraph starting "my impression is"
11:47:13 <ed_work> ACTION: AG to make changes as suggested by DOH for ISSUE-2089
11:47:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2307 - Make changes as suggested by DOH for ISSUE-2089 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-23].
11:47:46 <ed_work> AG: the second part should probably be discussed more, but perhaps a later discussion
11:48:07 <ed_work> AE: right, this is not a new problem
11:48:40 <ed_work> ACTION: AG to draft an email response for the second half of ISSUE-2089
11:48:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2308 - Draft an email response for the second half of ISSUE-2089 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-23].
11:49:57 <anthony> ISSUE-2062?
11:49:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-2062 -- foreignObject content and referenced resource -- OPEN
11:49:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2062
11:50:20 <ed_work> ED: I have added some clarifying wording to the spec, and chris addressed the first part
11:52:18 <ed_work> ACTION: AG to respond to DOH regarding ISSUE-2062
11:52:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2309 - Respond to DOH regarding ISSUE-2062 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-23].
11:53:46 <ed_work> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2141
11:55:35 <ed_work> AG: looking at cvs log
11:57:31 <ed_work> ...changing the example now
11:59:20 <ed_work> ACTION: AG to verify that the example prefetch02.svg in the structure chapter is really UTF-16, and fix it if so (ISSUE-2141)
11:59:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2310 - Verify that the example prefetch02.svg in the structure chapter is really UTF-16, and fix it if so (ISSUE-2141) [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-23].
11:59:41 <ed_work> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2139
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12:02:32 <ed_work> AE: would like to know what other ppl thinks about this, but I don't think eRR affects prefetch much
12:03:02 <ed_work> ...I see that there is a relationship, and an informative note is what he's asking for it seems
12:04:21 <ed_work> ACTION: AE to send his opinion on ISSUE-2139 to the svgwg list
12:04:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2311 - Send his opinion on ISSUE-2139 to the svgwg list [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-10-23].
12:05:57 <ed_work> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2147
12:07:04 <ed_work> AE: he has a response with some suggestions
12:07:09 <ed_work> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0117.html
12:08:27 <ed_work> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/att-0117/single-page.html
12:12:25 <ed_work> AE: don't think he's added anything, just rearranged what was already there
12:13:58 <ed_work> AG: he's rewritten some things
12:14:23 <ed_work> AE: i think the sentence in red should still be there
12:14:37 <ed_work> ...i don't necessarily like how the last paragraph is done
12:15:04 <ed_work> ...maybe we could move the terms around, so that the third paragraph is the second
12:15:19 <ed_work> ...I don't want to make any bigger changes at this point
12:16:30 <ed_work> ED: yeah, I like what he's done, the list for example, but we need to verify that this has not changed what was in there before
12:17:19 <ed_work> ACTION: AE to move the third paragraph in 14.1.6 to be the second paragraph and to respond to cyril (ISSUE-2147)
12:17:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2312 - Move the third paragraph in 14.1.6 to be the second paragraph and to respond to cyril (ISSUE-2147) [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-10-23].
12:18:02 <ed_work> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2143
12:20:30 <ed_work> ACTION: ed to respond to cyril regarding ISSUE-2143
12:20:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2313 - Respond to cyril regarding ISSUE-2143 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-23].
12:22:03 <ed_work> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2150
12:23:48 <ed_work> ED: not sure either what 'required' attributes mean here
12:25:29 <Zakim> +NH
12:31:05 <ed_work> ACTION: AE to verify that the removal of qouted section in ISSUE-2150 would not impact the JSR-226 and 287
12:31:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2314 - Verify that the removal of qouted section in ISSUE-2150 would not impact the JSR-226 and 287 [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-10-23].
12:31:22 <ed_work> ED: I'd be ok with taking it out, it doesn't make sense to me
12:31:36 <ed_work> NH: I have no problem with taking it out either
12:31:53 <ed_work> ...does it affect JSR-226 since it's tiny 1.1?
12:32:06 <ed_work> AE: they've asked us to not break their specs
12:32:15 <ed_work> ...so we need to be a bit careful
12:32:36 <ed_work> NH: I might have to check up on this first
12:33:06 <ed_work> ...will check it today
12:34:03 <ed_work> ED: don't understand his last question there
12:34:12 <ed_work> ...in ISSUE-2150
12:34:55 <ed_work> AE: maybe if you have a script and the script throws an exception would it put the document in error?
12:35:03 <ed_work> ED: right ok, I don't think it would
12:35:08 <ed_work> AE: agreed
12:37:09 <ed_work> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2134
12:39:39 <ed_work> ED: he's misread the spec for the conceptual g element, it says it doesn't transfer the x,y,xml:base and xlink:href to the generated g element
12:41:03 <ed_work> ...I agree that the broken sentence there is strange
12:42:39 <ed_work> ...I'll go through the cvs logs and see if I can find out
12:44:52 <ed_work> ...he's correct about width and height on use, so the example needs to be fixed
12:45:57 <ed_work> ...i'd be happy if someone could take a look at the id:s and last question about xml:base
12:50:59 <ed_work> ACTION: ed to address ISSUE-2134 as indicated in these minutes and respond to cyril
12:50:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2315 - Address ISSUE-2134 as indicated in these minutes and respond to cyril [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-23].
12:54:01 <Zakim> -NH
12:54:02 <Zakim> -aemmons
12:54:05 <Zakim> -ed_work
12:54:05 <Zakim> -??P2
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12:54:06 <Zakim> Attendees were ed_work, NH, aemmons
12:54:17 <ed_work> trackbot, make minutes
12:54:17 <trackbot> Sorry, ed_work, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
12:54:23 <ed_work> rrs-agent, make minutes
12:55:21 <ed_work> zakim, bye
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12:55:24 <ed_work> rrsagent, make minutes
12:55:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html ed_work
15:01:32 <shepazu> people still around?
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