13:44:26 RRSAgent has joined #xhtml 13:44:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc 13:44:36 hello, roland, i hope everything is going better... 13:45:11 RolandMerrick has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0016.html 13:45:17 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0016.html 13:45:24 Zakim, this will be XHTML2 13:45:24 ok, RolandMerrick; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start now 13:45:29 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda 13:45:42 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products 13:45:54 Roland has joined #xhtml 13:46:38 Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita 13:46:38 IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started 13:46:43 ScribeNick: oedipus 13:46:45 +Roland_Merrick 13:47:02 Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland 13:47:02 +Roland; got it 13:47:16 I am scribing Forms FtF; will attend here on IRC 13:47:37 +McCarron 13:47:41 -Roland 13:47:41 +Roland 13:47:46 zakim, McCarron is ShaneM 13:47:46 +ShaneM; got it 13:47:51 Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-minutes.html 13:47:55 Chair: Roland 13:48:09 rrsagent, make minutes 13:48:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html Roland 13:48:26 rrsagent, make log public 13:48:50 Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference 13:48:51 +Gregory_Rosmaita 13:49:20 alessio has joined #xhtml 13:49:24 Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Weekly Call 13:49:37 rrsagent, make minutes 13:49:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus 13:50:02 regrets+ Mark_Birbeck 13:50:21 regrets+ Tina_Holcombe 13:50:30 rrsagent, make minutes 13:50:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus 13:52:38 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0016.html 13:53:07 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products 13:53:14 zakim, code? 13:53:14 the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), alessio 13:54:35 +??P44 13:54:42 zakim, ??P44 is Alessio 13:54:42 +Alessio; got it 13:55:18 TOPIC: Open Actions in Tracker 13:55:36 RM: 3 against me - haven't gotten to them yet 13:55:41 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products 13:55:43 aloha gregory! :) 13:55:47 RM: Shane - any reply 13:55:58 SM: pinged tag and forgot forms WG 13:56:06 RM: saw comments from noah on list 13:56:19 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0015.html 13:56:46 SM: created and closed action 5 13:57:06 SM: phrased response as "working group hasn't reviewed..." wasn't couched as WG response, 13:57:19 RM: if no one objects to SM's post, propose we accept 13:57:22 AC: plus 1 13:57:26 GJR: plus 1 13:57:42 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/5 13:58:34 +1 14:00:12 TOPIC: Clearing Out Old Actions and Issues 14:00:22 RM: how are we managing errata to 1.1 14:00:37 SM: haven't had any -- probably a placeholder from XML Events document 14:01:06 [fyi] closed and documented WG approval: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/5 14:01:17 SM: don't want to update XML Events 1 spec at this point 14:01:28 RM: can log as erratum - if becomes necessary, can fold in 14:01:49 SM: W3C Pub Rules - requirement that errata be rolled into updated recs after certain period of time 14:02:11 SM: reason we tend not to do much with errata - rather have people move on to newer recs rather than use old 14:02:36 RM: useful if get query on this again - keeping track; don't want to lose it 14:02:55 GJR: could create issue - XHTML Policy on Errata 14:03:09 SM: link to an errata document - in datespace 14:03:15 errata is at http://www.w3.org/2003/10/REC-xml-events-20031014-errata/ 14:03:35 SM: no errata in it -- could put in editorial things as errata and check off our list 14:03:45 SM: don't have write-permissions to edit errata 14:04:04 ACTION: Shane - add 2 items to errata for XML Events 1 14:04:04 Created ACTION-6 - - add 2 items to errata for XML Events 1 [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22]. 14:04:41 RM: next one goes back to XML Events, but XML Events 2 14:04:57 RM: not sure what done about comments -- think dealt with some, status? 14:05:15 SM: suggesting rename attributes -- we can't 14:05:41 SM: want to use attribute names that would collide with existing global attribute names, which we can't do 14:05:54 RM: put these in as items in action 3 14:06:14 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open 14:06:39 RM: will deal with first 2 items with my action 14:07:08 SM: avoiding topic due to security concerns 14:07:27 RM: will discuss why 14:07:43 RM: asked to look at HTML5 positioning -- SP still needs to write up that 14:08:01 SM: assign action in trackbot 14:08:44 ACTION: Steven - Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording 14:08:44 Created ACTION-7 - - Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-10-22]. 14:09:00 rrsagent, make minutes 14:09:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus 14:09:18 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/7 14:09:50 RM: editing newly assigned action item 14:10:11 RM: M12n status - follow up activities? XHTML 1.1 SE? 14:10:25 Topic: M12N Status 14:10:26 All our XHTML Specs should be PERd 14:10:45 , tho'if we want to include @target in 1.1, it may be more than a PEr 14:10:46 not sure 14:11:01 SM: said would send out note on what tasks should be -- steven has chimed in and is right - just need to update all XHTML specs - can't put @target in 1.1 -- needs to go into 1.2 14:11:06 GJR: same with @lang 14:11:22 we agreed to leave content model of 1.1 alone for the PER 14:11:24 RM: waiting for @lang proposal 14:11:39 OK, wasn't sure of that 14:11:40 RM: 1.1 Basic? what does "all of it" mean? 14:11:48 Some people won't be pleased 14:12:03 XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, XHTML Print, XHTML + RDFa 14:12:28 RM: Shane can you create proposal 14:12:49 SM: plan is to produce updated drafts with schema -- will point to from all drafts will be ready by face2face 14:13:29 ACTION: Shane - produce updated drafts with schema by face2face 14:13:29 Created ACTION-8 - - produce updated drafts with schema by face2face [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22]. 14:13:31 Steven: I know that some people won't be pleased, but W3C mgt team said months ago that we could not make substantive changes to 1.1 - and that we should do it in 1.2 14:13:38 rssagent, please make minutes 14:13:51 ack that 14:13:52 TOPIC: XHTML MIME type 14:14:01 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtmlmime 14:14:10 comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Sep/0000.html 14:14:24 SM: supposed to respond to opera comments 14:15:01 (By the way, I updated the Activity statement: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Activity) 14:15:07 RM: validator stuff 14:15:14 RM: is that closed? 14:15:22 SM: overcome by events 14:15:25 RM: ok 14:15:46 TOPIC: Other Lingering Actions 14:16:10 SM: finished first action, need to respond to simon 14:16:35 RM: comments from september 14:16:38 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Sep/0000.html 14:16:56 RM: went through this - action is for SM to respond? 14:17:01 SM: yes, second action 14:17:04 RM: plan? 14:17:44 ACTION: Shane - reply to Simon's comments on behalf of Opera in regards XHTML Mime Type 14:17:44 Created ACTION-9 - - reply to Simon's comments on behalf of Opera in regards XHTML Mime Type [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22]. 14:17:57 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/9 14:19:22 RM: what is bit about "craft text to about transformation of XHTML to HTML" 14:19:47 SM: Tina suggested if don't want to follow rules, can server-side transform your documents -- at least mention that that is an option 14:20:29 SM: requested "if don't have need to serve things as XML, but still want to use XHTML, should be possible to transform on server side to text/html -- think applies only to XHTML 1.0 -- maybe XHTML 1.1 14:20:36 RM: subject of Mime doc, right? 14:20:38 SM: no 14:20:44 RM: that's what people think of 14:20:49 SM: not used to using others 14:20:54 RM: what shall we do 14:21:02 SM: put text into mime document 14:21:11 RM: great - another topic out of the way 14:21:17 TOPIC: Role Attribute Module 14:21:48 SM: role ready to go -- just waiting on CURIEs - can deliver as package: Role, Access, and CURIEs could go to CR together after f2f if agree we are done 14:21:52 SM: action on GJR 14:22:03 GJR: ask PFWG why "similar" inserted into 2.1 of ARIA spec 14:22:03 and answser to ShaneM's query about Role and ARIA 14:22:44 GJR: AlG took action to explain why verbiage changed 14:23:13 SVG Issues Under PF Review: http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/SVG/Mobile12 14:23:56 ACTION: Gregory - clear up status of why ARIA says "similar" to role 14:23:56 Created ACTION-10 - - clear up status of why ARIA says \"similar\" to role [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2008-10-22]. 14:24:15 RM: just waiting for CURIE to push Role and Access 14:24:29 RM: try to resolve to move forward at face2face next week 14:25:09 TOPIC: Access Module 14:25:20 GJR: first one overcome by events and should be dropped 14:25:34 GJR: now we are modularizing Events in next iteration 14:25:50 GJR: have action to bring up SVG's proposal for attribute 'order' to 14:25:50 ascertain if affects accessibility qua accessibility 14:26:29 GJR: discussed 'order' with PFWG and UAAG -- no engineering problems from PF; part of what UAAG 2.0 attempting to address 14:26:55 RM: document way document order access can be interpreted 14:26:57 SM: done 14:27:18 RM: so Access Module ready to go to CR? 14:27:55 SM: yes - position to do final look over on 3 docs whose editor's drafts i will update: Role Module, Access Module, and CURIEs - should submit as batch 14:29:06 [fyi] http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/IFrame 14:30:53 GJR: still option to diaable IFRAME in most assistive technology, so a lot of problems not addressed 14:31:20 s/diaable/disable/ 14:33:38 SM: key to issue: events can't traverse - can't bridge event models 14:33:45 SM: document says "you can't" 14:34:04 TOPIC: XHTML Features 14:34:44 RM: should have set of features documented as features - when did SCRIPT function, say "this implements a feature, not a namespace" 14:34:50 old action on shane: Shane create an initial features document that includes the 14:34:50 features from XML Events 2 14:35:24 RM: redefinition of Events into Handlers Module, Listener Module and Script Module 14:35:33 SM: granularity at module level which makes sense 14:35:48 SM: might make sense to have fourth feature -- the collection -- wouldn't hurt 14:35:58 SM: then could say implement all or implement this one 14:36:30 RM: inclined to get done in another group at moment; suggest once we assign features URIs and get CURIEs for them 14:37:24 RM: each feature has own URI, so can check with equivalent of DOMHasFeature to document feature supported; or IMPLEMENT this feature (script module) 14:37:31 SM: can we discuss versioning? 14:37:46 RM: put on agenda for next week - should spend time at TPAC 14:37:55 RM: how to connect script to something smaller than namespace 14:39:03 GJR: RWAB 14:39:36 RM: bootstrap bit of javascript to implement XML Events 2 14:39:53 GJR: RWAB will be roaming -- Charlie Weicha is chair, Steven is also member 14:40:22 SM: what time is it in cannes right now? 14:41:18 16:40 14:41:33 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=10&day=20&year=2008&p1=0&p2=159&p3=-1&p4=-1 14:42:03 SM: adding @implements independent of XML Events 2 - could do in modularization 14:42:15 yes 14:42:26 RM: could get module devoted to that quicker than XHTML2 14:42:37 SM: make module; make spec 14:42:48 RM: want to talk about features 14:43:02 TOPIC: Tying up loose ends 14:43:24 SM: transfer action to trackbot to get on agenda for f2f 14:44:12 ACTION: Shane - draft policy statement on migration and evolution 14:44:13 Created ACTION-11 - - draft policy statement on migration and evolution [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22]. 14:44:42 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0014.html 14:45:01 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/11 14:45:21 RM: MathML entity set published as own document 14:45:28 SM: accepted comments -- that is done 14:45:44 RM: formalizing our examples - should spend time on that - will be agenda item for next week 14:46:15 RM: out of time - anything to mention briefly? 14:46:31 RM: one item for next week is clean up all of actions that have been sitting on our agenda 14:46:49 RM: no call next wednesday -- face2face -- there is a face2face page on wiki 14:47:56 RM: take shane's proposal and add considering errata to policy statement on migrations and evolution 14:48:10 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/11 14:48:54 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2008-10-TP-FtF 14:49:08 RM: please watch the f2f wiki page -- will be populating it 14:49:09 -Roland 14:49:11 ADJOURNED 14:49:13 -Alessio 14:49:16 -Gregory_Rosmaita 14:49:17 -ShaneM 14:49:17 IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended 14:49:18 Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Alessio 14:49:48 zakim, please part 14:49:48 Zakim has left #xhtml 14:49:53 rrsagent, make minutes 14:49:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus 14:50:43 rrsagent, make minutes 14:50:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html Roland 14:51:12 Roland has left #xhtml 14:51:17 present+ Steven_on_IRC 14:51:21 rrsagent, make minutes 14:51:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus 14:54:48 bye! 14:54:58 alessio has left #xhtml 15:29:14 ShaneM has left #xhtml 15:30:23 regrets- Tina_Holcombe 15:30:55 She wasn't sorry? 15:31:12 regrets+ Tina_Holmboe 15:31:24 :-) 15:31:30 rrsagent, make minutes 15:31:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus 15:32:55 rrsagent, please part 15:32:55 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-actions.rdf : 15:32:55 ACTION: Shane - add 2 items to errata for XML Events 1 [1] 15:32:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-04-04 15:32:55 ACTION: Steven - Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording [2] 15:32:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-08-44 15:32:55 ACTION: Shane - produce updated drafts with schema by face2face [3] 15:32:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-13-29 15:32:55 ACTION: Shane - reply to Simon's comments on behalf of Opera in regards XHTML Mime Type [4] 15:32:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-17-44 15:32:55 ACTION: Gregory - clear up status of why ARIA says "similar" to role [5] 15:32:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-23-56 15:32:55 ACTION: Shane - draft policy statement on migration and evolution [6] 15:32:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-44-12