IRC log of mediafrag on 2008-10-15
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- Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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- ok, trackbot, I see IA_MFWG()8:00AM already started
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- Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 15 October 2008
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- +??P8
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- +[IPcaller]
- 12:04:06 [raphael]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008Oct/0052.html
- 12:04:11 [jackjansen]
- Zakim, ??P8 is me
- 12:04:11 [Zakim]
- +jackjansen; got it
- 12:04:30 [raphael]
- zakim, IPcaller is davy
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- +davy; got it
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- +Thierry
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- +Erik
- 12:05:08 [thierry]
- zakim, mute me
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- Thierry should now be muted
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- +nessy
- 12:05:22 [raphael]
- Regrets: Vassilis
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- +Yves
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- zakim, [CWI] is raphael
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- +raphael; got it
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- Present: Raphael, Jack, Davy, Thierry, Erik, Silvia, Yves
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- Chair: Raphael
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- Topic: ADMIN
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- scribenick: nessy
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- proposal to accept last meeting's minutes
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- +1
- 12:08:08 [nessy]
- *Michael requested to enable the image upload feature on the WG wiki
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- it now works
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- Silvia has uploaded a photo already
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- Topic: FIRST F2F
- 12:08:53 [raphael]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FirstF2FAgenda
- 12:09:10 [nessy]
- is the agenda ok and complete?
- 12:09:30 [nessy]
- no objections
- 12:09:44 [nessy]
- Monday will be mostly use cases
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- please prepare some material for your use cases
- 12:10:16 [jackjansen]
- q+
- 12:10:50 [nessy]
- the discussion of the syntax will be on Tuesday
- 12:10:59 [raphael]
- zakim, ack jack
- 12:10:59 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 12:11:39 [nessy]
- jackjansen would like to swap the use cases around, because he can attend only on Tuesday
- 12:12:08 [nessy]
- proposes switch of discussion I and discussion III
- 12:12:18 [nessy]
- raphael is ok with it
- 12:12:30 [nessy]
- no further comments
- 12:12:48 [nessy]
- remember to prepare more details on your use cases
- 12:13:24 [nessy]
- please also enter into the wiki your arrival and departure times
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- Topic: ISSUES LIST
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- action items to go through
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - items
- 12:14:05 [nessy]
- Raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape
- 12:14:24 [nessy]
- image maps allow several different shapes
- 12:14:32 [nessy]
- there are two types of image maps: client-side & server-side
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- server-side image maps are done with queries ("?") but are not often used on the Web
- 12:15:24 [Yves]
- server-side image maps were used back in 94/95, no longer now
- 12:15:30 [nessy]
- cleint-side image maps have as a draw-back the problem that they cannot be indexed by search engines
- 12:16:07 [Erik]
- q+
- 12:16:36 [nessy]
- ACTION: Raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael
- 12:16:37 [nessy]
- --done
- 12:16:55 [nessy]
- ACTION: raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - raphael
- 12:17:13 [Yves]
- ACTION -1
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- Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
- 12:18:15 [Yves]
- ACTION -2
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- Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
- 12:19:34 [nessy]
- the second action will be discussed during the F2F and thus documentation created
- 12:20:08 [nessy]
- ACTION: Silvia to flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI
- 12:20:08 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-6 - Flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2008-10-22].
- 12:20:10 [Yves]
- close ACTION-3
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- ACTION-3 And Erik to document container formats closed
- 12:20:23 [Yves]
- close action-6
- 12:20:23 [trackbot]
- ACTION-6 Flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI closed
- 12:21:56 [nessy]
- Silvia has sent a long email and a sketch on how fragments and protocols can work
- 12:22:30 [nessy]
- she started with side conditions and then took into account all the different standards (HTTP, proxy, URI) that prvide restrictions
- 12:23:10 [nessy]
- Yves was to check the status of ';' in a URI
- 12:23:39 [nessy]
- he sent an email and found that ";" basically has the same restrictions as "?"
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- ACTION-5 closed
- 12:24:10 [trackbot]
- ACTION-5 Check the status of ';' in a URI closed
- 12:24:15 [jackjansen]
- q+
- 12:24:31 [raphael]
- zakim, ack Erik
- 12:24:31 [Zakim]
- I see jackjansen on the speaker queue
- 12:24:46 [nessy]
- he is not sure how many other applications are using ";" for different purposes
- 12:24:54 [raphael]
- zakim, ack jackjansen
- 12:24:54 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 12:25:23 [nessy]
- silvia mentions that we should check use of whatever syntax we decide upon by checking existing usage
- 12:25:35 [Yves]
- http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt
- 12:25:42 [nessy]
- Erik: ";" may be in use by others, too
- 12:26:19 [nessy]
- jackjansen: requested a reading list for the plane
- 12:26:35 [Yves]
- Section 3.3 is the useful one, for ;
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- Topic: USE CASES
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- * Media Annotation UC: [Silvia]
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- Silvia focused on her action item
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- will have more at the F2F
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- * Media Delivery UC: [Davy]
- 12:28:32 [Erik]
- Day, you have to speak louder
- 12:29:52 [nessy]
- Davy says we may only have to consider http
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- raphael: can you investigate more for next week?
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- * Media Linking UC: [Michael]
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- Michael modified the UC a little
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- added Bookmarking
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- ...Playlists
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- ... and interlinking
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- possibility to get input from seesmic for these use cases
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- Silvia wonders what we can get from seesmic
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- WP plugin from Seesmic helps leaving comments
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- Jack: Seesmic is more about chatting than blogging
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- Silvia: yes, a "video twitter"
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- Raphael: much links happening between videos in Seesmic
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- Jack: they seem to still treat each session of video as a separate unit
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- Raphael: probably only because of current technology limitations
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- ... if they had temporal URI, they would use it
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- Jack: ok..
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- Raphael: let's discuss more at the F2F
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- * Media Search UC: no volunteer
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- * Media Browsing UC: no volunteer
- 12:36:59 [jackjansen]
- zakim, mute me
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- jackjansen should now be muted
- 12:37:21 [jackjansen]
- zakim, unmute me
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- jackjansen should no longer be muted
- 12:37:24 [nessy]
- Raphael: may need input from the media annotations working group
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- ... chance to meet them at TPAC to discuss more
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- * Photo Book UC: [Erik]
- 12:38:07 [nessy]
- Erik will have something to present at F2F
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- * Map and Multi Resolution UC: [Raphael]
- 12:38:20 [nessy]
- Raphael will have something to present at F2F
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- .. with discussion of what technologies are currently used
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- * Karaoke UC: no volunteer
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- deferred
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- * Moving Point of Interest UC: [Davy & Erik]
- 12:39:07 [nessy]
- relevant in second phase of WG
- 12:39:33 [nessy]
- nothing to report right now
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- * Video Browser UC: [Silvia]
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- will present something at F2F
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- no further questions on use cases
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- Topic: STATE OF THE ART
- 12:40:56 [raphael]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art
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- ** HTTP/URI (Michael/Yves)
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- ** RTSP Fragment (Silvia)
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- ** SMIL (Jack)
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- ** CMML (Silvia)
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- ** MPEG-21 (Davy/Silvia)
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- ** Spatial Fragment (Raphael)
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- Issues page is mostly focused on HTTP/URI case
- 12:43:01 [nessy]
- Raphael: Silvia, would you like to add something to CMML
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- Jack: CMML relevant since it allows to attach annotations to media fragments
- 12:44:20 [raphael]
- Silvia: small overlap
- 12:44:32 [nessy]
- Silvia: CMML relevant from the POV of naming segments in media files
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- ... but the attachment of metadata, descriptions, timed text and outgoing hyperlinks are not that relevant to this WG
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- Jack: curious to discuss at F2F
- 12:45:06 [Erik]
- work hard :)
- 12:45:17 [nessy]
- Topic: AOB
- 12:45:21 [nessy]
- no other business
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- -jackjansen
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- -Thierry
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- -Yves
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- -raphael
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- -Erik
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- -davy
- 12:45:52 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves
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- jackjansen has left #mediafrag
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- -nessy
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- IA_MFWG()8:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were jackjansen, davy, Thierry, Erik, nessy, Yves, raphael
- 12:49:44 [raphael]
- yep, will do
- 12:50:02 [nessy]
- thanks a lot
- 12:50:11 [nessy]
- I have lots to do on the plane :)
- 12:50:11 [Yves]
- tracker is ok, so it's just a matter of trimming minutes
- 12:50:23 [nessy]
- ok, good
- 12:50:36 [Yves]
- nessy: you have a long trip, so it won't be too boring ;)
- 12:50:37 [nessy]
- how do you refer back to an existing action item?
- 12:50:43 [nessy]
- exactly :)
- 12:50:48 [nessy]
- 2 days there, 2 days back
- 12:50:52 [Yves]
- ACTION-4 blah
- 12:51:02 [nessy]
- ahhhh!
- 12:51:04 [nessy]
- sorry :)
- 12:51:10 [Yves]
- been in australia and in nz... I understand the feeling ;)
- 12:51:32 [nessy]
- thanks :)
- 12:51:53 [nessy]
- btw: trip to Korea is not that much shorter - it's still on the northern hemisphere, so a trip half way round the planet
- 12:52:12 [nessy]
- but at least not so far to the west :)
- 12:53:26 [Yves]
- france to nz is probably the longest I can make ;)
- 12:54:16 [raphael]
- Consider Bora Bora Yves :-)
- 12:54:48 [Yves]
- will take less time to go ther, might be more difficult to decide to go back home :)
- 12:55:24 [nessy]
- any remote island will be a challenge!
- 12:55:36 [Yves]
- like corsica
- 12:55:41 [nessy]
- anyways - it's close to midnight - better get some sleep
- 12:55:47 [nessy]
- yes, Corsica!! ;-)
- 12:55:51 [Yves]
- have a nice trip!
- 12:55:58 [nessy]
- la corse ... hmmm
- 12:56:01 [nessy]
- I will
- 12:56:10 [nessy]
- and I look forward to practising my rusty french
- 12:56:52 [raphael]
- Yves, can you, as usual, remove the draft of the minutes ?
- 12:57:08 [Yves]
- will do, just finishing an email, I'll do right after
- 12:57:23 [Yves]
- I'll ping you once it's done
- 12:57:32 [nessy]
- I also look forward to going out for drinks with all of you :)
- 12:57:44 [nessy]
- will make the further work so much easier when you get to you each other!
- 13:00:16 [raphael]
- :-)
- 13:03:45 [nessy]
- do you live in Cannes?
- 13:03:56 [Yves]
- no, in Nice
- 13:04:34 [nessy]
- close enough :)
- 13:04:56 [nessy]
- nice place to live in, too!
- 13:05:17 [Yves]
- rrsagent, bye
- 13:05:17 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Silvia to flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-mediafrag-irc#T12-20-08