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12:03:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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12:03:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
12:03:41 <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2008
12:03:52 <Zakim> +??P8
12:03:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:04:06 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008Oct/0052.html
12:04:11 <jackjansen> Zakim, ??P8 is me
12:04:11 <Zakim> +jackjansen; got it
12:04:30 <raphael> zakim, IPcaller is davy
12:04:30 <Zakim> +davy; got it
12:04:33 <Zakim> +Thierry
12:04:49 <Zakim> +Erik
12:05:08 <thierry> zakim, mute me
12:05:08 <Zakim> Thierry should now be muted
12:05:11 <Zakim> +nessy
12:05:22 <raphael> Regrets: Vassilis
12:05:25 <Zakim> +Yves
12:06:00 <raphael> zakim, [CWI] is raphael
12:06:00 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
12:06:27 <raphael> Present: Raphael, Jack, Davy, Thierry, Erik, Silvia, Yves
12:06:41 <raphael> Chair: Raphael
12:07:07 <nessy> Topic: ADMIN
12:07:11 <raphael> scribenick: nessy
12:07:42 <nessy> proposal to accept last meeting's minutes
12:07:52 <nessy> +1
12:08:08 <nessy> *Michael requested to enable the image upload feature on the WG wiki
12:08:16 <nessy> it now works
12:08:38 <nessy> Silvia has uploaded a photo already
12:08:50 <nessy> Topic: FIRST F2F
12:08:53 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FirstF2FAgenda
12:09:10 <nessy> is the agenda ok and complete?
12:09:30 <nessy> no objections
12:09:44 <nessy> Monday will be mostly use cases
12:10:08 <nessy> please prepare some material for your use cases
12:10:16 <jackjansen> q+
12:10:50 <nessy> the discussion of the syntax will be on Tuesday
12:10:59 <raphael> zakim, ack jack
12:10:59 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
12:11:39 <nessy> jackjansen would like to swap the use cases around, because he can attend only on Tuesday
12:12:08 <nessy> proposes switch of discussion I and discussion III
12:12:18 <nessy> raphael is ok with it
12:12:30 <nessy> no further comments
12:12:48 <nessy> remember to prepare more details on your use cases
12:13:24 <nessy> please also enter into the wiki your arrival and departure times
12:13:36 <nessy> Topic: ISSUES LIST
12:13:43 <nessy> action items to go through
12:13:43 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - items
12:14:05 <nessy> Raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape
12:14:24 <nessy> image maps allow several different shapes
12:14:32 <nessy> there are two types of image maps: client-side & server-side
12:15:03 <nessy> server-side image maps are done with queries ("?") but are not often used on the Web
12:15:24 <Yves> server-side image maps were used back in 94/95, no longer now
12:15:30 <nessy> cleint-side image maps have as a draw-back the problem that they cannot be indexed by search engines
12:16:07 <Erik> q+
12:16:36 <nessy> ACTION: Raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape
12:16:36 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael
12:16:37 <nessy> --done
12:16:55 <nessy> ACTION: raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape
12:16:55 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - raphael
12:17:13 <Yves> ACTION -1
12:17:13 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
12:18:15 <Yves> ACTION -2
12:18:15 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
12:19:34 <nessy> the second action will be discussed during the F2F and thus documentation created
12:20:08 <nessy> ACTION: Silvia to flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI
12:20:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2008-10-22].
12:20:10 <Yves> close ACTION-3
12:20:11 <trackbot> ACTION-3 And Erik to document container formats closed
12:20:23 <Yves> close action-6
12:20:23 <trackbot> ACTION-6 Flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI closed
12:21:56 <nessy> Silvia has sent a long email and a sketch on how fragments and protocols can work
12:22:30 <nessy> she started with side conditions and then took into account all the different standards (HTTP, proxy, URI) that prvide restrictions
12:23:10 <nessy> Yves was to check the status of ';' in a URI
12:23:39 <nessy> he sent an email and found that ";" basically has the same restrictions as "?"
12:24:10 <Yves> ACTION-5 closed
12:24:10 <trackbot> ACTION-5 Check the status of ';' in a URI closed
12:24:15 <jackjansen> q+
12:24:31 <raphael> zakim, ack Erik
12:24:31 <Zakim> I see jackjansen on the speaker queue
12:24:46 <nessy> he is not sure how many other applications are using ";" for different purposes
12:24:54 <raphael> zakim, ack jackjansen
12:24:54 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
12:25:23 <nessy> silvia mentions that we should check use of whatever syntax we decide upon by checking existing usage
12:25:35 <Yves> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt
12:25:42 <nessy> Erik: ";" may be in use by others, too
12:26:19 <nessy> jackjansen: requested a reading list for the plane
12:26:35 <Yves> Section 3.3 is the useful one, for ;
12:26:48 <nessy> Topic: USE CASES
12:27:32 <nessy> * Media Annotation UC: [Silvia]
12:27:38 <nessy> Silvia focused on her action item
12:27:42 <nessy> will have more at the F2F
12:27:48 <nessy> * Media Delivery UC: [Davy]
12:28:32 <Erik> Day, you have to speak louder
12:29:52 <nessy> Davy says we may only have to consider http
12:31:03 <nessy> raphael: can you investigate more for next week?
12:31:11 <nessy> * Media Linking UC: [Michael]
12:31:30 <nessy> Michael modified the UC a little
12:31:45 <nessy> added Bookmarking
12:32:01 <nessy> ...Playlists
12:32:05 <nessy> ... and interlinking
12:32:41 <nessy> possibility to get input from seesmic for these use cases
12:33:28 <nessy> Silvia wonders what we can get from seesmic
12:34:23 <nessy> WP plugin from Seesmic helps leaving comments
12:34:39 <nessy> Jack: Seesmic is more about chatting than blogging
12:34:45 <nessy> Silvia: yes, a "video twitter"
12:35:24 <nessy> Raphael: much links happening between videos in Seesmic
12:35:51 <nessy> Jack: they seem to still treat each session of video as a separate unit
12:36:05 <nessy> Raphael: probably only because of current technology limitations
12:36:19 <nessy> ... if they had temporal URI, they would use it
12:36:30 <nessy> Jack: ok..
12:36:37 <nessy> Raphael: let's discuss more at the F2F
12:36:48 <nessy> * Media Search UC: no volunteer
12:36:54 <nessy> * Media Browsing UC: no volunteer
12:36:59 <jackjansen> zakim, mute me
12:36:59 <Zakim> jackjansen should now be muted
12:37:21 <jackjansen> zakim, unmute me
12:37:21 <Zakim> jackjansen should no longer be muted
12:37:24 <nessy> Raphael: may need input from the media annotations working group
12:37:38 <nessy> ... chance to meet them at TPAC to discuss more
12:37:49 <nessy> * Photo Book UC: [Erik]
12:38:07 <nessy> Erik will have something to present at F2F
12:38:13 <nessy> * Map and Multi Resolution UC: [Raphael]
12:38:20 <nessy> Raphael will have something to present at F2F
12:38:38 <nessy> .. with discussion of what technologies are currently used
12:38:41 <nessy> * Karaoke UC: no volunteer
12:38:56 <nessy> deferred
12:38:58 <nessy> * Moving Point of Interest UC: [Davy & Erik]
12:39:07 <nessy> relevant in second phase of WG
12:39:33 <nessy> nothing to report right now
12:39:52 <nessy> * Video Browser UC: [Silvia]
12:40:25 <nessy> will present something at F2F
12:40:46 <nessy> no further questions on use cases
12:40:50 <nessy> Topic: STATE OF THE ART
12:40:56 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art
12:41:39 <nessy> ** HTTP/URI (Michael/Yves)
12:41:39 <nessy> ** RTSP Fragment (Silvia)
12:41:39 <nessy> ** SMIL (Jack)
12:41:39 <nessy> ** CMML (Silvia)
12:41:39 <nessy> ** MPEG-21 (Davy/Silvia)
12:41:41 <nessy> ** Spatial Fragment (Raphael)
12:42:03 <nessy> Issues page is mostly focused on HTTP/URI case
12:43:01 <nessy> Raphael: Silvia, would you like to add something to CMML
12:44:04 <raphael> Jack: CMML relevant since it allows to attach annotations to media fragments
12:44:20 <raphael> Silvia: small overlap
12:44:32 <nessy> Silvia: CMML relevant from the POV of naming segments in media files
12:44:52 <nessy> ... but the attachment of metadata, descriptions, timed text and outgoing hyperlinks are not that relevant to this WG
12:45:01 <nessy> Jack: curious to discuss at F2F
12:45:06 <Erik> work hard :)
12:45:17 <nessy> Topic: AOB
12:45:21 <nessy> no other business
12:45:38 <Zakim> -jackjansen
12:45:39 <Zakim> -Thierry
12:45:42 <Zakim> -Yves
12:45:43 <Zakim> -raphael
12:45:44 <Zakim> -Erik
12:45:45 <Zakim> -davy
12:45:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves
12:45:53 <jackjansen> jackjansen has left #mediafrag
12:46:00 <Zakim> -nessy
12:46:02 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()8:00AM has ended
12:46:03 <Zakim> Attendees were jackjansen, davy, Thierry, Erik, nessy, Yves, raphael
12:49:44 <raphael> yep, will do
12:50:02 <nessy> thanks a lot
12:50:11 <nessy> I have lots to do on the plane :)
12:50:11 <Yves> tracker is ok, so it's just a matter of trimming minutes
12:50:23 <nessy> ok, good
12:50:36 <Yves> nessy: you have a long trip, so it won't be too boring ;)
12:50:37 <nessy> how do you refer back to an existing action item?
12:50:43 <nessy> exactly :)
12:50:48 <nessy> 2 days there, 2 days back
12:50:52 <Yves> ACTION-4 blah
12:51:02 <nessy> ahhhh!
12:51:04 <nessy> sorry :)
12:51:10 <Yves> been in australia and in nz... I understand the feeling ;)
12:51:32 <nessy> thanks :)
12:51:53 <nessy> btw: trip to Korea is not that much shorter - it's still on the northern hemisphere, so a trip half way round the planet
12:52:12 <nessy> but at least not so far to the west :)
12:53:26 <Yves> france to nz is probably the longest I can make ;)
12:54:16 <raphael> Consider Bora Bora Yves :-)
12:54:48 <Yves> will take less time to go ther, might be more difficult to decide to go back home :)
12:55:24 <nessy> any remote island will be a challenge!
12:55:36 <Yves> like corsica
12:55:41 <nessy> anyways - it's close to midnight - better get some sleep
12:55:47 <nessy> yes, Corsica!! ;-)
12:55:51 <Yves> have a nice trip!
12:55:58 <nessy> la corse ... hmmm
12:56:01 <nessy> I will
12:56:10 <nessy> and I look forward to practising my rusty french
12:56:52 <raphael> Yves, can you, as usual, remove the draft of the minutes ?
12:57:08 <Yves> will do, just finishing an email, I'll do right after
12:57:23 <Yves> I'll ping you once it's done
12:57:32 <nessy> I also look forward to going out for drinks with all of you :)
12:57:44 <nessy> will make the further work so much easier when you get to you each other!
13:00:16 <raphael> :-)
13:03:45 <nessy> do you live in Cannes?
13:03:56 <Yves> no, in Nice
13:04:34 <nessy> close enough :)
13:04:56 <nessy> nice place to live in, too!
13:05:17 <Yves> rrsagent, bye
13:05:17 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
13:05:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Silvia to flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI [3]
13:05:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-mediafrag-irc#T12-20-08