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12:26:50 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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12:26:58 <Zakim> +[IBM]
12:27:01 <shadi> trackbot, start meeting
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12:27:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:27:05 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
12:27:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:27:06 <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2008
12:27:08 <MikeS> zakim, IBM is MikeS
12:27:08 <Zakim> sorry, MikeS, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'
12:27:48 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Oct/0007.html
12:27:52 <shadi> chair: Shadi
12:28:01 <shadi> guest: Ivan
12:29:25 <MikeS> zakim, IBM is MikeS
12:29:25 <Zakim> sorry, MikeS, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'
12:29:41 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:29:41 <Zakim> I notice WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has restarted
12:29:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IBM], Shadi
12:29:50 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
12:29:50 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
12:29:52 <Zakim> +Ivan
12:29:59 <MikeS> zakim, [IBM] is MikeS
12:29:59 <Zakim> +MikeS; got it
12:30:26 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
12:30:57 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
12:31:14 <JohannesK> Zakim, Klaus is JohannesK
12:31:14 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
12:31:43 <shadi> Ben <caldwell@trace.wisc.edu>
12:32:34 <shadi> scribe: Johannes
12:32:39 <shadi> scribenick: JohannesK
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12:33:01 <shadi> agenda+ Welcome our guest Ivan Herman
12:33:13 <shadi> agenda+ Unresolved comments on ERT drafts
12:33:23 <shadi> agenda+ Draft agenda for upcoming f2f
12:33:31 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:33:31 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome our guest Ivan Herman" taken up [from shadi]
12:33:44 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
12:35:18 <JohannesK> Ivan introduces himself
12:35:47 <JohannesK> MikeS introduces himself
12:36:44 <JohannesK> JohannesK introduces himself
12:36:54 <JohannesK> CarlosI introduces himself
12:37:55 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:37:55 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Unresolved comments on ERT drafts" taken up [from shadi]
12:39:52 <JohannesK> saz: EARL is based on RDF because it may fit into the semantic web world and more tools may be able to process it
12:40:06 <JohannesK> saz: so it's not just an XML format
12:41:50 <JohannesK> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Sep/0013>
12:41:53 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Sep/0013
12:42:57 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/HTTP-in-RDF/#terms
12:44:41 <JohannesK> saz: RDF guys don't like restrictions; but we want to have required properties to define a "proper" EARL report
12:45:53 <JohannesK> ivan: OWL has cardinality restrictions
12:46:49 <JohannesK> saz: we did this for EARL schema
12:47:00 <JohannesK> jk: and in HTTP-in-RDF as well
12:50:19 <JohannesK> ivan: a general RDF processing environment don't know any restrictions
12:51:18 <JohannesK> saz: we should make a disticntion between general RDF processing and higher-level EARL/HTTP-in-RDF processing
12:52:11 <ivan> p rdf:range Q
12:52:18 <JohannesK> ivan: range and domain are not restrictions but inferences
12:52:24 <ivan> a p z
12:52:33 <ivan> z rdf:type Q
12:56:49 <JohannesK> saz: for us the restrictions are sort of conformance requirements
12:57:25 <ivan> h rdf:type http:Connection
12:57:40 <ivan> h http:connectionAuthority x
12:57:48 <ivan> ht http:connectionAuthority y
12:58:37 <ivan> x owl:sameAs y
13:01:10 <JohannesK> ivan: if x and y are URIs then x and y are the same thing
13:01:24 <JohannesK> ivan: if they are literals, you may get an error message
13:03:07 <JohannesK> ivan: you could use SPARQL queries to describe expected results
13:05:34 <JohannesK> jk: there were comments about URIs or authoroties not being literals
13:07:37 <JohannesK> jk. what we have here is just strings conforming to a URI scheme
13:08:21 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#schema-rdf
13:08:39 <JohannesK> ivan: you should make clear that you talk about URI datatyped literals not URIs for resources
13:09:57 <JohannesK> ivan: in the semantic world some people don't like bags, seqs and alts
13:11:03 <shadi>   <rdfs:Class rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#SingleAssertor">
13:11:03 <shadi>     <rdfs:label xml:lang="en">Single Assertor</rdfs:label>
13:11:03 <shadi>     <rdfs:comment xml:lang="en">One person or evaluation tool that claims assertions</rdfs:comment>
13:11:03 <shadi>     <owl:oneOf rdf:parseType="Collection">
13:11:03 <shadi>       <owl:Thing rdf:type="http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#Software"/>
13:11:04 <shadi>       <owl:Thing rdf:type="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Agent"/>
13:11:06 <shadi>     </owl:oneOf>
13:11:08 <shadi>   </rdfs:Class>
13:11:10 <shadi>   <rdfs:Class rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#CompoundAssertor">
13:11:12 <shadi>     <rdfs:label xml:lang="en">Compound Assertor</rdfs:label>
13:11:14 <shadi>     <rdfs:comment xml:lang="en">Group of persons or evaluation tools that claim assertions</rdfs:comment>
13:11:16 <shadi>     <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:parseType="Collection">
13:11:18 <shadi>       <owl:Restriction>
13:11:20 <shadi>         <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#mainAssertor"/>
13:11:22 <shadi>         <owl:minCardinality rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#nonNegativeInteger">1</owl:minCardinality>
13:11:25 <shadi>       </owl:Restriction>
13:11:27 <shadi>     </rdfs:subClassOf>
13:11:29 <shadi>   </rdfs:Class>
13:12:22 <JohannesK> ivan: tools may not have implemented all things defined for alt
13:16:14 <JohannesK> ivan: rdf:type on owl:Thing should rather be rdf:about
13:17:01 <Zakim> -Ivan
13:17:04 <ivan> ivan has left #er
13:18:24 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:18:24 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Draft agenda for upcoming f2f" taken up [from shadi]
13:18:44 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Oct/0006
13:19:24 <JohannesK> MS: I
13:19:42 <JohannesK> MS: will be available on phone during F2F
13:21:26 <JohannesK> MS: we may discuss HTTP and Content if there's still time left; otherwise EARL schema/guide and Pointers have priority
13:22:49 <JohannesK> saz: on friday we may talk about pointers in the first morning session
13:23:10 <JohannesK> saz: in the second morning session we could discuss HTTP and Content
13:23:59 <JohannesK> saz: postpone Guide discussion to friday afternoon
13:26:19 <JohannesK> saz: fri session 1: HTTP/Content, session 2: Guide, session 3: Pointers
13:27:22 <JohannesK> saz: no meetings next two weeks
13:27:36 <JohannesK> saz. see you at the F2F
13:29:31 <JohannesK> saz: friday session 4 should be open
13:29:56 <Zakim> -MikeS
13:30:01 <Zakim> -JohannesK
13:30:03 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:30:08 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
13:30:09 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:30:11 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Ivan, MikeS, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, JohannesK, Carlos_Iglesias
13:30:15 <shadi> trackbot, close meeting
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13:39:25 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:39:25 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:39:25 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:39:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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13:39:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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