IRC log of er on 2008-10-15
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-er-irc
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- 12:26:50 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be ert
- 12:26:50 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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- +[IBM]
- 12:27:01 [shadi]
- trackbot, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 3794
- 12:27:05 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
- 12:27:06 [trackbot]
- Date: 15 October 2008
- 12:27:08 [MikeS]
- zakim, IBM is MikeS
- 12:27:08 [Zakim]
- sorry, MikeS, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'
- 12:27:48 [shadi]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Oct/0007.html
- 12:27:52 [shadi]
- chair: Shadi
- 12:28:01 [shadi]
- guest: Ivan
- 12:29:25 [MikeS]
- zakim, IBM is MikeS
- 12:29:25 [Zakim]
- sorry, MikeS, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'
- 12:29:41 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 12:29:41 [Zakim]
- I notice WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has restarted
- 12:29:43 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [IBM], Shadi
- 12:29:50 [ivan]
- zakim, dial ivan-voip
- 12:29:50 [Zakim]
- ok, ivan; the call is being made
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- +Ivan
- 12:29:59 [MikeS]
- zakim, [IBM] is MikeS
- 12:29:59 [Zakim]
- +MikeS; got it
- 12:30:26 [shadi]
- regrets: CarlosV
- 12:30:57 [Zakim]
- +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
- 12:31:14 [JohannesK]
- Zakim, Klaus is JohannesK
- 12:31:14 [Zakim]
- +JohannesK; got it
- 12:31:43 [shadi]
- Ben <caldwell@trace.wisc.edu>
- 12:32:34 [shadi]
- scribe: Johannes
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- scribenick: JohannesK
- 12:32:50 [carlosI]
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- agenda+ Welcome our guest Ivan Herman
- 12:33:13 [shadi]
- agenda+ Unresolved comments on ERT drafts
- 12:33:23 [shadi]
- agenda+ Draft agenda for upcoming f2f
- 12:33:31 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 12:33:31 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Welcome our guest Ivan Herman" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:33:44 [Zakim]
- +Carlos_Iglesias
- 12:35:18 [JohannesK]
- Ivan introduces himself
- 12:35:47 [JohannesK]
- MikeS introduces himself
- 12:36:44 [JohannesK]
- JohannesK introduces himself
- 12:36:54 [JohannesK]
- CarlosI introduces himself
- 12:37:55 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 2. "Unresolved comments on ERT drafts" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:39:52 [JohannesK]
- saz: EARL is based on RDF because it may fit into the semantic web world and more tools may be able to process it
- 12:40:06 [JohannesK]
- saz: so it's not just an XML format
- 12:41:50 [JohannesK]
- <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Sep/0013>
- 12:41:53 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Sep/0013
- 12:42:57 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/HTTP-in-RDF/#terms
- 12:44:41 [JohannesK]
- saz: RDF guys don't like restrictions; but we want to have required properties to define a "proper" EARL report
- 12:45:53 [JohannesK]
- ivan: OWL has cardinality restrictions
- 12:46:49 [JohannesK]
- saz: we did this for EARL schema
- 12:47:00 [JohannesK]
- jk: and in HTTP-in-RDF as well
- 12:50:19 [JohannesK]
- ivan: a general RDF processing environment don't know any restrictions
- 12:51:18 [JohannesK]
- saz: we should make a disticntion between general RDF processing and higher-level EARL/HTTP-in-RDF processing
- 12:52:11 [ivan]
- p rdf:range Q
- 12:52:18 [JohannesK]
- ivan: range and domain are not restrictions but inferences
- 12:52:24 [ivan]
- a p z
- 12:52:33 [ivan]
- z rdf:type Q
- 12:56:49 [JohannesK]
- saz: for us the restrictions are sort of conformance requirements
- 12:57:25 [ivan]
- h rdf:type http:Connection
- 12:57:40 [ivan]
- h http:connectionAuthority x
- 12:57:48 [ivan]
- ht http:connectionAuthority y
- 12:58:37 [ivan]
- x owl:sameAs y
- 13:01:10 [JohannesK]
- ivan: if x and y are URIs then x and y are the same thing
- 13:01:24 [JohannesK]
- ivan: if they are literals, you may get an error message
- 13:03:07 [JohannesK]
- ivan: you could use SPARQL queries to describe expected results
- 13:05:34 [JohannesK]
- jk: there were comments about URIs or authoroties not being literals
- 13:07:37 [JohannesK]
- jk. what we have here is just strings conforming to a URI scheme
- 13:08:21 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#schema-rdf
- 13:08:39 [JohannesK]
- ivan: you should make clear that you talk about URI datatyped literals not URIs for resources
- 13:09:57 [JohannesK]
- ivan: in the semantic world some people don't like bags, seqs and alts
- 13:11:03 [shadi]
- <rdfs:Class rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#SingleAssertor">
- 13:11:03 [shadi]
- <rdfs:label xml:lang="en">Single Assertor</rdfs:label>
- 13:11:03 [shadi]
- <rdfs:comment xml:lang="en">One person or evaluation tool that claims assertions</rdfs:comment>
- 13:11:03 [shadi]
- <owl:oneOf rdf:parseType="Collection">
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- <owl:Thing rdf:type="http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#Software"/>
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- <owl:Thing rdf:type="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Agent"/>
- 13:11:06 [shadi]
- </owl:oneOf>
- 13:11:08 [shadi]
- </rdfs:Class>
- 13:11:10 [shadi]
- <rdfs:Class rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#CompoundAssertor">
- 13:11:12 [shadi]
- <rdfs:label xml:lang="en">Compound Assertor</rdfs:label>
- 13:11:14 [shadi]
- <rdfs:comment xml:lang="en">Group of persons or evaluation tools that claim assertions</rdfs:comment>
- 13:11:16 [shadi]
- <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:parseType="Collection">
- 13:11:18 [shadi]
- <owl:Restriction>
- 13:11:20 [shadi]
- <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#mainAssertor"/>
- 13:11:22 [shadi]
- <owl:minCardinality rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#nonNegativeInteger">1</owl:minCardinality>
- 13:11:25 [shadi]
- </owl:Restriction>
- 13:11:27 [shadi]
- </rdfs:subClassOf>
- 13:11:29 [shadi]
- </rdfs:Class>
- 13:12:22 [JohannesK]
- ivan: tools may not have implemented all things defined for alt
- 13:16:14 [JohannesK]
- ivan: rdf:type on owl:Thing should rather be rdf:about
- 13:17:01 [Zakim]
- -Ivan
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- 13:18:24 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
- 13:18:24 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Draft agenda for upcoming f2f" taken up [from shadi]
- 13:18:44 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Oct/0006
- 13:19:24 [JohannesK]
- MS: I
- 13:19:42 [JohannesK]
- MS: will be available on phone during F2F
- 13:21:26 [JohannesK]
- MS: we may discuss HTTP and Content if there's still time left; otherwise EARL schema/guide and Pointers have priority
- 13:22:49 [JohannesK]
- saz: on friday we may talk about pointers in the first morning session
- 13:23:10 [JohannesK]
- saz: in the second morning session we could discuss HTTP and Content
- 13:23:59 [JohannesK]
- saz: postpone Guide discussion to friday afternoon
- 13:26:19 [JohannesK]
- saz: fri session 1: HTTP/Content, session 2: Guide, session 3: Pointers
- 13:27:22 [JohannesK]
- saz: no meetings next two weeks
- 13:27:36 [JohannesK]
- saz. see you at the F2F
- 13:29:31 [JohannesK]
- saz: friday session 4 should be open
- 13:29:56 [Zakim]
- -MikeS
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- -JohannesK
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- -Shadi
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- -Carlos_Iglesias
- 13:30:09 [Zakim]
- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
- 13:30:11 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Shadi, Ivan, MikeS, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, JohannesK, Carlos_Iglesias
- 13:30:15 [shadi]
- trackbot, close meeting
- 13:30:15 [trackbot]
- Sorry, shadi, I don't understand 'trackbot, close meeting'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
- 13:30:23 [shadi]
- trackbot, stop meeting
- 13:30:23 [trackbot]
- Sorry, shadi, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop meeting'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
- 13:39:25 [shadi]
- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
- 13:39:25 [Zakim]
- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 13:39:26 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-er-minutes.html trackbot
- 13:39:27 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 13:39:27 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items