IRC log of er on 2008-10-15

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12:26:50 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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12:27:01 [shadi]
trackbot, start meeting
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be 3794
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 15 October 2008
12:27:08 [MikeS]
zakim, IBM is MikeS
12:27:08 [Zakim]
sorry, MikeS, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'
12:27:48 [shadi]
12:27:52 [shadi]
chair: Shadi
12:28:01 [shadi]
guest: Ivan
12:29:25 [MikeS]
zakim, IBM is MikeS
12:29:25 [Zakim]
sorry, MikeS, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'
12:29:41 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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I notice WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has restarted
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On the phone I see [IBM], Shadi
12:29:50 [ivan]
zakim, dial ivan-voip
12:29:50 [Zakim]
ok, ivan; the call is being made
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12:29:59 [MikeS]
zakim, [IBM] is MikeS
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+MikeS; got it
12:30:26 [shadi]
regrets: CarlosV
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12:31:14 [JohannesK]
Zakim, Klaus is JohannesK
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+JohannesK; got it
12:31:43 [shadi]
Ben <>
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scribe: Johannes
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scribenick: JohannesK
12:32:50 [carlosI]
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agenda+ Welcome our guest Ivan Herman
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agenda+ Unresolved comments on ERT drafts
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agenda+ Draft agenda for upcoming f2f
12:33:31 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
12:33:31 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Welcome our guest Ivan Herman" taken up [from shadi]
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12:35:18 [JohannesK]
Ivan introduces himself
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MikeS introduces himself
12:36:44 [JohannesK]
JohannesK introduces himself
12:36:54 [JohannesK]
CarlosI introduces himself
12:37:55 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
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agendum 2. "Unresolved comments on ERT drafts" taken up [from shadi]
12:39:52 [JohannesK]
saz: EARL is based on RDF because it may fit into the semantic web world and more tools may be able to process it
12:40:06 [JohannesK]
saz: so it's not just an XML format
12:41:50 [JohannesK]
12:41:53 [shadi]
12:42:57 [shadi]
12:44:41 [JohannesK]
saz: RDF guys don't like restrictions; but we want to have required properties to define a "proper" EARL report
12:45:53 [JohannesK]
ivan: OWL has cardinality restrictions
12:46:49 [JohannesK]
saz: we did this for EARL schema
12:47:00 [JohannesK]
jk: and in HTTP-in-RDF as well
12:50:19 [JohannesK]
ivan: a general RDF processing environment don't know any restrictions
12:51:18 [JohannesK]
saz: we should make a disticntion between general RDF processing and higher-level EARL/HTTP-in-RDF processing
12:52:11 [ivan]
p rdf:range Q
12:52:18 [JohannesK]
ivan: range and domain are not restrictions but inferences
12:52:24 [ivan]
a p z
12:52:33 [ivan]
z rdf:type Q
12:56:49 [JohannesK]
saz: for us the restrictions are sort of conformance requirements
12:57:25 [ivan]
h rdf:type http:Connection
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h http:connectionAuthority x
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ht http:connectionAuthority y
12:58:37 [ivan]
x owl:sameAs y
13:01:10 [JohannesK]
ivan: if x and y are URIs then x and y are the same thing
13:01:24 [JohannesK]
ivan: if they are literals, you may get an error message
13:03:07 [JohannesK]
ivan: you could use SPARQL queries to describe expected results
13:05:34 [JohannesK]
jk: there were comments about URIs or authoroties not being literals
13:07:37 [JohannesK]
jk. what we have here is just strings conforming to a URI scheme
13:08:21 [shadi]
13:08:39 [JohannesK]
ivan: you should make clear that you talk about URI datatyped literals not URIs for resources
13:09:57 [JohannesK]
ivan: in the semantic world some people don't like bags, seqs and alts
13:11:03 [shadi]
<rdfs:Class rdf:about="">
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<rdfs:label xml:lang="en">Single Assertor</rdfs:label>
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<rdfs:comment xml:lang="en">One person or evaluation tool that claims assertions</rdfs:comment>
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<owl:oneOf rdf:parseType="Collection">
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<owl:Thing rdf:type=""/>
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<owl:Thing rdf:type=""/>
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13:11:08 [shadi]
13:11:10 [shadi]
<rdfs:Class rdf:about="">
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<rdfs:label xml:lang="en">Compound Assertor</rdfs:label>
13:11:14 [shadi]
<rdfs:comment xml:lang="en">Group of persons or evaluation tools that claim assertions</rdfs:comment>
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<rdfs:subClassOf rdf:parseType="Collection">
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<owl:onProperty rdf:resource=""/>
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<owl:minCardinality rdf:datatype="">1</owl:minCardinality>
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13:12:22 [JohannesK]
ivan: tools may not have implemented all things defined for alt
13:16:14 [JohannesK]
ivan: rdf:type on owl:Thing should rather be rdf:about
13:17:01 [Zakim]
13:17:04 [ivan]
ivan has left #er
13:18:24 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
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agendum 3. "Draft agenda for upcoming f2f" taken up [from shadi]
13:18:44 [shadi]
13:19:24 [JohannesK]
13:19:42 [JohannesK]
MS: will be available on phone during F2F
13:21:26 [JohannesK]
MS: we may discuss HTTP and Content if there's still time left; otherwise EARL schema/guide and Pointers have priority
13:22:49 [JohannesK]
saz: on friday we may talk about pointers in the first morning session
13:23:10 [JohannesK]
saz: in the second morning session we could discuss HTTP and Content
13:23:59 [JohannesK]
saz: postpone Guide discussion to friday afternoon
13:26:19 [JohannesK]
saz: fri session 1: HTTP/Content, session 2: Guide, session 3: Pointers
13:27:22 [JohannesK]
saz: no meetings next two weeks
13:27:36 [JohannesK]
saz. see you at the F2F
13:29:31 [JohannesK]
saz: friday session 4 should be open
13:29:56 [Zakim]
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Ivan, MikeS, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, JohannesK, Carlos_Iglesias
13:30:15 [shadi]
trackbot, close meeting
13:30:15 [trackbot]
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13:30:23 [shadi]
trackbot, stop meeting
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13:39:25 [shadi]
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
13:39:25 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:39:26 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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