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10:33:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
10:33:44 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
10:33:45 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
10:33:45 <trackbot> Date: 10 October 2008
10:35:59 <ed> Zakim, what is the passcode?
10:35:59 <Zakim> sorry, ed, I don't know what conference this is
10:38:35 <ed> Zakim, room for 5?
10:38:36 <Zakim> ok, ed; conference Team_(svg)10:38Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1138Z
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10:39:29 <Zakim> +??P0
10:39:37 <ed> Zakim, ? is me
10:39:37 <Zakim> +ed; got it
10:40:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
10:40:21 <anthony> Zakim, [IP is me
10:40:21 <Zakim> +anthony; got it
10:40:30 <Zakim> +lee
10:40:49 <anthony> Zakim, lee is lmartine
10:40:49 <Zakim> +lmartine; got it
10:41:19 <ed> Zakim, what conference is this?
10:41:19 <Zakim> this is Team_(svg)10:38Z conference code 26631
10:43:59 <ed> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Overview.html
10:53:58 <Zakim> -ed
10:53:59 <Zakim> -lmartine
10:53:59 <Zakim> -anthony
10:54:00 <Zakim> Team_(svg)10:38Z has ended
10:54:02 <Zakim> Attendees were ed, [IPcaller], anthony, lmartine
10:54:43 <ed> we'll work on actions and read the LC comments and dial in in half an hour
11:19:19 <shepazu> I'm here... anything I can do? how are the Dr. Olaf comments going?
11:19:53 <ed> we're reading them...
11:20:13 <ed> if you haven't please do so, we'll dial in in 10 mins
11:20:42 <ed> I think ISSUE-2082 is something me might be able to move to core
11:21:06 <shepazu> k
11:21:23 <ed> he's right though, auto sucks if we followed what is in the spec ;)
11:31:01 <Zakim> Team_(svg)10:38Z has now started
11:31:08 <Zakim> +lmartine
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11:31:26 <ed> Zakim, ? is me
11:31:26 <Zakim> +ed; got it
11:31:53 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
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11:32:30 <anthony> Zakim, ??P3 is me
11:32:30 <Zakim> +anthony; got it
11:32:56 <anthony> scribe: anthony
11:33:01 <anthony> chair: Erik
11:33:09 <anthony> Topic: Last Call Comments
11:33:17 <anthony> Topic: ISSUE-2082
11:33:18 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082
11:33:26 <anthony> ISSUE-2082?
11:33:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-2082 -- attributeType auto -- RAISED
11:33:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082
11:33:33 <anthony> ED: I think he's right
11:33:45 <anthony> ... I think this is something we could postpone for SVG Core instead
11:34:02 <anthony> ... because I'd like to make tests for this to figure out what would be the most use friendly
11:34:47 <anthony> ... with his example it shows that a CSS width and height may not apply to a rect
11:35:54 <anthony> AG: How would you change it?
11:36:04 <anthony> ... you'd have to reword it I guess
11:36:21 <anthony> ... I reckon put it on hold and move to the next one
11:37:07 <anthony> DS: Same wording as 1.1
11:38:02 <anthony> ... so what's the reason for putting it off?
11:38:15 <anthony> ED: CSS styling is not required for Tiny
11:38:23 <anthony> ... and we haven't tested what implementations are doing
11:42:03 <anthony> DS: We will address this in Core time frame
11:42:43 <anthony> ACTION: Anthony to Draft a response for ISSUE-2082
11:42:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2289 - Draft a response for ISSUE-2082 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-17].
11:43:38 <anthony> Resolution: We agree with the comment, but we will address it in Core where it is more relevant
11:43:53 <anthony> Topic: ISSUE-2083
11:43:58 <anthony> ISSUE-2083?
11:43:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-2083 -- Paced animation and complex types -- RAISED
11:43:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2083
11:44:26 <anthony> ED: I think we have made some fixes
11:45:12 <anthony> ... what worries me he says we have two tests for calc mode paced
11:45:17 <anthony> ... and they are incorrect
11:45:29 <anthony> ... we currently have two implementations passing those
11:46:59 <anthony> ... All implementations pass 82
11:47:27 <anthony> ... if what he's saying is correct is we have to change the specs, tests and implementations
11:48:12 <Zakim> -anthony
11:48:25 <anthony> s/82/animate-elem-82/
11:48:45 <ed> ...majority of impls. pass  animate-elem-53
11:50:18 <ed> s/change the specs, tests and implementations/change the specs or the tests (and then get implementations to pass)/
11:51:23 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(svg)11:51Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1251Z
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11:53:10 <Zakim> Attendees were lmartine, ed, Doug_Schepers, anthony
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11:53:25 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(svg)11:53Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1253Z
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11:53:55 <Zakim> Team_(svg)11:53Z has now started
11:54:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
11:54:09 <ed> Zakim, [IP is me
11:54:09 <Zakim> +ed; got it
11:54:33 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
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11:55:36 <anthony> Zakim, ??P2 is me
11:55:36 <Zakim> +anthony; got it
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11:55:56 <anthony> scribe: anthony
11:56:16 <anthony> DS: I'm wondering if implementations would pass his alternative
11:56:31 <anthony> ED: I guess we can dig it up
11:58:03 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/0646.html
11:58:15 <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2006Aug/0037.html
12:00:36 <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0041.html
12:00:56 <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0036.html
12:01:10 <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0040.html
12:03:28 <anthony> DS: Considering we are planning on doing improved animation in the future perhaps this is something we could address later on
12:03:50 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/att-0646/scalepaced01.svg
12:04:01 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/att-0646/translatepaced01.svg
12:04:07 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/att-0646/rotatepaced01.svg
12:05:16 <anthony> ED: Those are tests for paced animations
12:05:38 <anthony> ... I think that's what he's talking about when he submitted some tests on the list
12:05:55 <anthony> ... but those haven't been reviewed
12:06:45 <anthony> DS: So what are we going to do about the issue?
12:07:11 <anthony> ED: Would be good if Cameron were here to look at it
12:07:34 <anthony> ... I'll send an email to Cameron
12:08:05 <anthony> ... if the tests are incorrect we'll either have to change them or remove them
12:09:12 <anthony> Topic: ISSUE-2084
12:09:14 <anthony> ISSUE-2084?
12:09:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-2084 -- 16.2.9 values attribute 'extended syntax' -- RAISED
12:09:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2084
12:12:42 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0004.html related?
12:12:48 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#Inheritance ?
12:13:38 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2010
12:13:52 <anthony> ED: There is an ISSUE-2010 for 1.1. which is close
12:14:42 <ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/animate.html#ValuesAttribute
12:15:25 <anthony> ED: He is commenting on the second paragraph on the values list
12:16:01 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#ValueAttributes
12:17:00 <anthony> DS: What existing content are we talking about here? Is this is something generated by one of the authoring tools?
12:17:14 <anthony> ED: I think so. I think Cameron made some tests for this
12:17:49 <anthony> AG: I do recall a discussion on this
12:18:02 <anthony> DS: Didn't we decide this didn't matter that much
12:18:23 <anthony> ED: So he's saying we should remove that paragraph all together
12:18:27 <anthony> DS: That's what it looks like
12:19:07 <anthony> ED: Just wondering if we'd have trouble by removing that
12:21:03 <anthony> DS: I think we decided it didn't have a strong use case to object to use correcting the error here
12:21:21 <anthony> ... and we knew that there was content out there because of authoring tools
12:22:50 <anthony> ... I'm tempted to reject the comment saying that we've already discussed this and that it is a less than ideal solution in the spec
12:23:28 <anthony> ... but it's due to auto generation of content rather than hand authored
12:24:04 <anthony> ... it's something we can revisit at a later date
12:26:52 <anthony> RESOLUTION: We've already made a decision on this issue to accommodate output from existing authoring tools and we may revisit it later
12:27:23 <anthony> ACTION: Doug to Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2084
12:27:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2290 - Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2084 [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-17].
12:29:07 <anthony> Topic: Implementation Matrix
12:29:24 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/results/TestFestOttawa.html
12:33:09 <anthony> DS: There are 20 tests that are at risk
12:33:21 <anthony> ... implementations that fix them should go ahead an update this HTML matrix
12:33:32 <anthony> ... and then we will spot test verify at TPAC
12:47:33 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/
12:52:10 <Zakim> -ed
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12:52:11 <Zakim> -anthony
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12:52:13 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], ed, Doug_Schepers, anthony, lmartine
12:52:54 <anthony> Zakim, bye
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12:53:00 <anthony> RRSAgent, make minutes
12:53:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/10-svg-minutes.html anthony
15:01:21 <ed_> shepazu: did you have an extra room or something for the TPAC? where are you staying?
15:02:01 <shepazu> we are staying at a hotel about half and hour's walk away
15:02:11 <shepazu> looks like a pretty nice place
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15:02:21 <shepazu> hey, ChrisL!
15:02:55 <shepazu> ed_: I don't think anyone would mind if you stayed with us
15:03:12 <shepazu> we'd be happy to offset costs
15:09:41 <ChrisL> hi doug