IRC log of svg on 2008-10-10
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 10:33:42 [Zakim]
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- Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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- Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
- 10:33:45 [trackbot]
- Date: 10 October 2008
- 10:35:59 [ed]
- Zakim, what is the passcode?
- 10:35:59 [Zakim]
- sorry, ed, I don't know what conference this is
- 10:38:35 [ed]
- Zakim, room for 5?
- 10:38:36 [Zakim]
- ok, ed; conference Team_(svg)10:38Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1138Z
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- Team_(svg)10:38Z has now started
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- +??P0
- 10:39:37 [ed]
- Zakim, ? is me
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- +ed; got it
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- +[IPcaller]
- 10:40:21 [anthony]
- Zakim, [IP is me
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- +anthony; got it
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- +lee
- 10:40:49 [anthony]
- Zakim, lee is lmartine
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- +lmartine; got it
- 10:41:19 [ed]
- Zakim, what conference is this?
- 10:41:19 [Zakim]
- this is Team_(svg)10:38Z conference code 26631
- 10:43:59 [ed]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Overview.html
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- -ed
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- -lmartine
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- -anthony
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- Team_(svg)10:38Z has ended
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- Attendees were ed, [IPcaller], anthony, lmartine
- 10:54:43 [ed]
- we'll work on actions and read the LC comments and dial in in half an hour
- 11:19:19 [shepazu]
- I'm here... anything I can do? how are the Dr. Olaf comments going?
- 11:19:53 [ed]
- we're reading them...
- 11:20:13 [ed]
- if you haven't please do so, we'll dial in in 10 mins
- 11:20:42 [ed]
- I think ISSUE-2082 is something me might be able to move to core
- 11:21:06 [shepazu]
- k
- 11:21:23 [ed]
- he's right though, auto sucks if we followed what is in the spec ;)
- 11:31:01 [Zakim]
- Team_(svg)10:38Z has now started
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- +lmartine
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- +??P1
- 11:31:26 [ed]
- Zakim, ? is me
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- +ed; got it
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- +Doug_Schepers
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- +??P3
- 11:32:30 [anthony]
- Zakim, ??P3 is me
- 11:32:30 [Zakim]
- +anthony; got it
- 11:32:56 [anthony]
- scribe: anthony
- 11:33:01 [anthony]
- chair: Erik
- 11:33:09 [anthony]
- Topic: Last Call Comments
- 11:33:17 [anthony]
- Topic: ISSUE-2082
- 11:33:18 [ed]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082
- 11:33:26 [anthony]
- ISSUE-2082?
- 11:33:26 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-2082 -- attributeType auto -- RAISED
- 11:33:26 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082
- 11:33:33 [anthony]
- ED: I think he's right
- 11:33:45 [anthony]
- ... I think this is something we could postpone for SVG Core instead
- 11:34:02 [anthony]
- ... because I'd like to make tests for this to figure out what would be the most use friendly
- 11:34:47 [anthony]
- ... with his example it shows that a CSS width and height may not apply to a rect
- 11:35:54 [anthony]
- AG: How would you change it?
- 11:36:04 [anthony]
- ... you'd have to reword it I guess
- 11:36:21 [anthony]
- ... I reckon put it on hold and move to the next one
- 11:37:07 [anthony]
- DS: Same wording as 1.1
- 11:38:02 [anthony]
- ... so what's the reason for putting it off?
- 11:38:15 [anthony]
- ED: CSS styling is not required for Tiny
- 11:38:23 [anthony]
- ... and we haven't tested what implementations are doing
- 11:42:03 [anthony]
- DS: We will address this in Core time frame
- 11:42:43 [anthony]
- ACTION: Anthony to Draft a response for ISSUE-2082
- 11:42:43 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2289 - Draft a response for ISSUE-2082 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-17].
- 11:43:38 [anthony]
- Resolution: We agree with the comment, but we will address it in Core where it is more relevant
- 11:43:53 [anthony]
- Topic: ISSUE-2083
- 11:43:58 [anthony]
- ISSUE-2083?
- 11:43:58 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-2083 -- Paced animation and complex types -- RAISED
- 11:43:58 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2083
- 11:44:26 [anthony]
- ED: I think we have made some fixes
- 11:45:12 [anthony]
- ... what worries me he says we have two tests for calc mode paced
- 11:45:17 [anthony]
- ... and they are incorrect
- 11:45:29 [anthony]
- ... we currently have two implementations passing those
- 11:46:59 [anthony]
- ... All implementations pass 82
- 11:47:27 [anthony]
- ... if what he's saying is correct is we have to change the specs, tests and implementations
- 11:48:12 [Zakim]
- -anthony
- 11:48:25 [anthony]
- s/82/animate-elem-82/
- 11:48:45 [ed]
- ...majority of impls. pass animate-elem-53
- 11:50:18 [ed]
- s/change the specs, tests and implementations/change the specs or the tests (and then get implementations to pass)/
- 11:51:23 [Zakim]
- ok, shepazu; conference Team_(svg)11:51Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1251Z
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- -ed
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- -Doug_Schepers
- 11:53:04 [lmartine]
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- -lmartine
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- Team_(svg)10:38Z has ended
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- Attendees were lmartine, ed, Doug_Schepers, anthony
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- Team_(svg)11:51Z has now started
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- ok, shepazu; conference Team_(svg)11:53Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1253Z
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- Attendees were
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- +[IPcaller]
- 11:54:09 [ed]
- Zakim, [IP is me
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- +ed; got it
- 11:54:33 [Zakim]
- +Doug_Schepers
- 11:55:24 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 11:55:36 [anthony]
- Zakim, ??P2 is me
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- +anthony; got it
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- +lmartine
- 11:55:56 [anthony]
- scribe: anthony
- 11:56:16 [anthony]
- DS: I'm wondering if implementations would pass his alternative
- 11:56:31 [anthony]
- ED: I guess we can dig it up
- 11:58:03 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/0646.html
- 11:58:15 [shepazu]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2006Aug/0037.html
- 12:00:36 [shepazu]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0041.html
- 12:00:56 [shepazu]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0036.html
- 12:01:10 [shepazu]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0040.html
- 12:03:28 [anthony]
- DS: Considering we are planning on doing improved animation in the future perhaps this is something we could address later on
- 12:03:50 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/att-0646/scalepaced01.svg
- 12:04:01 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/att-0646/translatepaced01.svg
- 12:04:07 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/att-0646/rotatepaced01.svg
- 12:05:16 [anthony]
- ED: Those are tests for paced animations
- 12:05:38 [anthony]
- ... I think that's what he's talking about when he submitted some tests on the list
- 12:05:55 [anthony]
- ... but those haven't been reviewed
- 12:06:45 [anthony]
- DS: So what are we going to do about the issue?
- 12:07:11 [anthony]
- ED: Would be good if Cameron were here to look at it
- 12:07:34 [anthony]
- ... I'll send an email to Cameron
- 12:08:05 [anthony]
- ... if the tests are incorrect we'll either have to change them or remove them
- 12:09:12 [anthony]
- Topic: ISSUE-2084
- 12:09:14 [anthony]
- ISSUE-2084?
- 12:09:14 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-2084 -- 16.2.9 values attribute 'extended syntax' -- RAISED
- 12:09:14 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2084
- 12:12:42 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0004.html related?
- 12:12:48 [shepazu]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#Inheritance ?
- 12:13:38 [ed]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2010
- 12:13:52 [anthony]
- ED: There is an ISSUE-2010 for 1.1. which is close
- 12:14:42 [ed]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/animate.html#ValuesAttribute
- 12:15:25 [anthony]
- ED: He is commenting on the second paragraph on the values list
- 12:16:01 [shepazu]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#ValueAttributes
- 12:17:00 [anthony]
- DS: What existing content are we talking about here? Is this is something generated by one of the authoring tools?
- 12:17:14 [anthony]
- ED: I think so. I think Cameron made some tests for this
- 12:17:49 [anthony]
- AG: I do recall a discussion on this
- 12:18:02 [anthony]
- DS: Didn't we decide this didn't matter that much
- 12:18:23 [anthony]
- ED: So he's saying we should remove that paragraph all together
- 12:18:27 [anthony]
- DS: That's what it looks like
- 12:19:07 [anthony]
- ED: Just wondering if we'd have trouble by removing that
- 12:21:03 [anthony]
- DS: I think we decided it didn't have a strong use case to object to use correcting the error here
- 12:21:21 [anthony]
- ... and we knew that there was content out there because of authoring tools
- 12:22:50 [anthony]
- ... I'm tempted to reject the comment saying that we've already discussed this and that it is a less than ideal solution in the spec
- 12:23:28 [anthony]
- ... but it's due to auto generation of content rather than hand authored
- 12:24:04 [anthony]
- ... it's something we can revisit at a later date
- 12:26:52 [anthony]
- RESOLUTION: We've already made a decision on this issue to accommodate output from existing authoring tools and we may revisit it later
- 12:27:23 [anthony]
- ACTION: Doug to Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2084
- 12:27:23 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2290 - Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2084 [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-17].
- 12:29:07 [anthony]
- Topic: Implementation Matrix
- 12:29:24 [shepazu]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/results/TestFestOttawa.html
- 12:33:09 [anthony]
- DS: There are 20 tests that are at risk
- 12:33:21 [anthony]
- ... implementations that fix them should go ahead an update this HTML matrix
- 12:33:32 [anthony]
- ... and then we will spot test verify at TPAC
- 12:47:33 [shepazu]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/
- 12:52:10 [Zakim]
- -ed
- 12:52:11 [Zakim]
- -lmartine
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- -anthony
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- -Doug_Schepers
- 12:52:12 [Zakim]
- Team_(svg)11:53Z has ended
- 12:52:13 [Zakim]
- Attendees were [IPcaller], ed, Doug_Schepers, anthony, lmartine
- 12:52:54 [anthony]
- Zakim, bye
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- 12:53:00 [anthony]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/10-svg-minutes.html anthony
- 15:01:21 [ed_]
- shepazu: did you have an extra room or something for the TPAC? where are you staying?
- 15:02:01 [shepazu]
- we are staying at a hotel about half and hour's walk away
- 15:02:11 [shepazu]
- looks like a pretty nice place
- 15:02:15 [ChrisL]
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- 15:02:21 [shepazu]
- hey, ChrisL!
- 15:02:55 [shepazu]
- ed_: I don't think anyone would mind if you stayed with us
- 15:03:12 [shepazu]
- we'd be happy to offset costs
- 15:09:41 [ChrisL]
- hi doug